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How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

At what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

i only discovered that my identity existed last year.

"Display" on my male gender started around 7 or 8. Open "cross dressing," purposefully trying to look like a boy.

"Crossgender" feelings around that age as well. I was androgynous at a very young age, so I think in reality I was always a form of transgender "aware."

My parents never acknowledged it. But my mom says I've "always been a tomboy." That's her way of saying that she's always been aware of my "crossgender" feelings/behaviors.

I really KNEW I was a guy about... 7 or 8 months ago? Before I thought I was just "pretending" to be a guy. I started very openly "crossdressing" (suits, button down shirts, more boy stuff etc) when I was 17. I'm 18 now.

Quote from: Elwood on September 27, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
"Display" on my male gender started around 7 or 8. Open "cross dressing," purposefully trying to look like a boy.

"Crossgender" feelings around that age as well. I was androgynous at a very young age, so I think in reality I was always a form of transgender "aware."

My parents never acknowledged it. But my mom says I've "always been a tomboy." That's her way of saying that she's always been aware of my "crossgender" feelings/behaviors.

makes sense. parents always have their way of justifying a child's behaviour to themselves.

Somewhere between the ages of 7 and 8 when I dropped the girly pretense and began dressing like a boy, playing with action figures and video games.

I think when I was younger though it first began surfacing....My earliest memory of identifying with a boy name has always been at age 5 when I used to sign my middle name as "Max" on all my kindergarten assignments.

There were signs along the way I'm sure but since the age of 8 I've always been mom's "tomboy" and "the son my dad never had." Yes, I called myself that.

Quote from: trapthavok on September 27, 2008, 04:36:56 PMSomewhere between the ages of 7 and 8 when I dropped the girly pretense and began dressing like a boy, playing with action figures and video games.

I forgot to mention that.

I played with action figures since I was really little. I really liked army men. I also had a favorite Batman figure. I played the original Mario Bros. since I was 2 or 3, I think. Pretty much as soon as I was big enough to hold a controller.

I've always thought myself as being different from the "normal" children and yet not sure of what I was at the same time. Unfortunately, it took until well after the poison cursed my body before I was able to pin a name on what I am.
Now stuck with a decade-plus of damage, it's either choosing between "acquiring" grey market drugs while trying to save money (while unemployed) for surgery, and eating a bullet. :eusa_wall:
I think the best choice is obvious ;)

Quote from: Flan Princess on September 27, 2008, 04:48:24 PMI've always thought myself as being different from the "normal" children and yet not sure of what I was at the same time.

I experienced that, too. But a lot was different about me besides being transgender. I was premature, with divorced parents, didn't have a lot of money, was always the smallest/weakest, among other things.

(Note: These are my experiences, I'm not trying to invalidate yours.)

Quote from: Nero on September 27, 2008, 04:05:34 PM
How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

Earliest childhood.

QuoteAt what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

i didn't know there was anything wrong until age 8.

QuoteAnd/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

Probably from childhood; but I started hearing about it around age 5 and being punished for it.

Quote from: Nero on September 27, 2008, 04:05:34 PM
How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

I knew I ought to have been born a girl exactly as long as I've known there is a meaningful difference between boys and girls ... maybe 5 years old?

It's only more recently that I realized how much of an emotional dead end my male persona is.

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At what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

About age six or seven was when I started to feel very strongly how much I was missing out on the childhood I ought to have had. It was a complete epiphany, a light being switched on. I think I actually got a bit lightheaded. I just don't remember exactly how old I was when it happened.

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And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

No later than 13, at least with respect to my parents. They actually tried to be supportive ... but generally failed. :( Their words might have meant more  if they hadn't been so obviously horror-stricken. Way to make me feel like a complete freak, guys. :'(

my behaviour and actions and stuff has never really changed, only my own interpretation and confidence in those actions has changed.

Quote from: Pica Pica on September 27, 2008, 06:06:46 PM
my behaviour and actions and stuff has never really changed, only my own interpretation and confidence in those actions has changed.

Exactly, me too. Well alright I take that back, sorta. I went through a 'girly' phase in Jr. High. That was the only other time I acted different from my norm, otherwise I've always been the same.

it was about 4 for me, i was dressing in mums stuff at around five and playing with a local girl who let me dress in her clothing and mums makeup when i was 8 most of the time.

Dressing fulltime by 15 when i was kicked onto the streets but didnt address GID until i was 34...ouch better late than never

Vanna

I remember knowing I was different around age 4, always tomboyish.  I do remember a tantrum I threw at age 3 about not wanting to wear a dress and getting spanked for it.  By the time I was 8 or so I dressed like a boy if possible (hard to do in the 60s with only sisters), used the men's room in stores, told people in Bible school (made to go every summer) I was a boy, brought army men to girl scouts, stuff like that.

Jay

Quote from: Nero on September 27, 2008, 04:05:34 PM
How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

Aware of... I would guess around 14. At least, I knew something wasn't right a long time before that, but either didn't care or didn't really have too much gender influence in my life to put a name to what I was feeling. As for displaying... I've done that all my life, in terms of behaviour and the way I express myself since I can't be anything else. And have always been seen as an outsider and a 'weirdo' because of it. Which is probably because physically... I don't. Through a mixture of circumstances that aren't conducive... and (sometimes) very difficult self-restraint.

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About the same time I began to care about what gender actually was, which is about the same age as above. Before that I was totally apathetic and neutral. Living in a house with two brothers, I thought there was something wrong with my brain because I didn't act the same way as they did, and where I lived there was no education about anything to do with gender issues whatsoever. Either you were a 'bloke', a 'bird' or a 'freak'. I thought I was the last one.

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My father left when I was 6 years old. One of my brothers died when I was 24, my mother died when I was 25. All before I either admitted to myself who I was, or before I attempted to explain why I was an outsider and 'different'. My mother was an only child, so I don't have a lot of extended family, no grandparents, and don't see any on my father's side. So... I don't really have a whole lot of adults left in my life that I care about or see enough to say anything to.

My other brother and his demented wife... not a chance. And I want it to stay that way for as long as possible. They aren't the sort of people that would either understand or be able to stop themselves from making my life a nightmare just for fun, and probably out of hatred.

All the important people in my life, the ones I care about, they all know. Although that was only a recent thing since before I could admit it to anyone else, I had to admit it to myself.

 In pre school i realized something was off when I got kicked out of the sand box for not being a girl. They said " you can`t play with us you are not a girl". I didn`t want to play with the boys so I just sat alone and played by myself. :'(  I had a girl friend neer my house that I used to play dolls and dress up with but that all ended when her family saw me and laughed at me for wearing a dress. looking back, live was really frustrating. I was punished for being me. Part of the reason I held out till I was 36 to transition.

Started displaying around age 5, age 7 grandmother said I was a tomboy and I took it as what I was.

Age 10 I begain to have distress over changing body (early puberty)

Age 13 had shut it out and tried to be more female but couldn't shut it out entirely.

Age 17, began to question around time had reduction surgery.  Found myself talking with friends about how I felt I didn't fit as a girl and felt more a boy.  Same time couldn't fit with boys because was a girl.

Age 20, Began to learn about transgender but still not know what it was.

21, began to associate self in relation to other transgender people still not knowing they are transgender or what it was exactly.  Thought I might been lesbian but wasn't that attracted to girls.

10 months ago heard the term transgender, started to really bug me, then about 5-6 months ago I finally started to research it and everything clicked into place.   I still struggle with it sometimes though because I don't fit the sterotypes and sometimes it can be difficult to separate sterotypes from reality.

I have difficulty picking a specific radio button on this poll. For me the question isn't so simple.

I was manifesting cross-gender behavior as early as the age of 4, when I first began preschool. I felt impelled to align with the girls by inner urges that I did not know how to consciously articulate or understand at the time. I grew up always feeling uncomfortable, with a sense that I was a misfit, but unable to articulate to myself exactly why-- largely because of fear, and because nothing in my upbringing allowed any awareness of gender issues. You just did what you were told, or suffered punishment. As it was, I suffered plenty for not fitting in with the boys and constantly needing to align with the girls, let alone pursuing that issue in any depth. The authority figures maintained strict denial of that, and I wasn't bold enough to challenge the system, so I was coerced into denial too. I always hated the male roles imposed on me, and yearned for the feminine, but felt forced into denial.

In retrospect, I always felt drawn to model my life on that of my sister, so that I quietly absorbed as much as I could of her girlhood, vicariously and secretly, to avoid reprimands. I read her books, played her girly games and dolls, attended her tea parties and her Girl Scout meetings. I wore her dress when I was 10, and liked it, but only one time because I was afraid of being caught. My full awareness of who I was only evolved gradually over the years, to the extent I was able to get past the denial, and it wasn't until I was in college that I realized I should have been a woman. But it took many more years before I stopped burying the desire by telling myself it was impossible, and embraced my reality.

So these issues are not necessarily clearcut. My self-knowledge and actions are in bits and pieces spread out here and there throughout my lifetime, and it was only later in life that I was able to put all the pieces together, when in retrospect it all added up to clarity about who I had always been inside. And how through childhood trauma I had deeply buried so many pieces of evidence that when taken cumulatively in the full light, made it clear who I really am.

The standard, classical transsexual narrative has us all getting up on soapboxes from the age of 3 and proclaiming our true genders to the world in no uncertain terms. But I feel that stereotype does a disservice to those of us who lacked the boldness to challenge the system though we always knew inside something was different. We don't all have to fit exactly the same model to be accepted as legit.

As I've answered before to this question, the answer I could give might be age 4, 10, 22, 37, 43, or 45-- depending on how the awareness of this condition is defined. I spent most of my life deep in denial of this reality thanks to the trauma around it from early childhood.

How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?
--My parents dressed me in boy clothing since I was 5, because they were conservative like that, but I always tried to be the girly girl because I thought my clothing was why I had no real friends. I got tired of doing that around 6th grade, so I voted 11-13yrs.

At what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
--Kindof an iffy question. I knew I acted like a boy since forever, but I took that as being a tomboy, getting dirty, playing sports, yadada.

And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
--Same as above, nobody really took it as a transgender thing, they just figured I was the stereotypical tomboy. In middle/early high school people took it as a butch lesbian thing. Sophomore year in high school I started binding, got tired of hiding the gender thing and just let myself act like a boy because I didn't care whether people suspected or not anymore. Since then I routinely get the "you're such a GUY" line.

Quote from: Nero on September 27, 2008, 04:16:38 PM
makes sense. parents always have their way of justifying a child's behaviour to themselves.

My mom told me that she herself started dressing in a more masculine fashion as I was growing up to, and I quote, "make you look more normal."  Wow.  She also said that now that she knows about me, she can start dressing in a more feminine fashion, like she used to do (she's a self-proclaimed 'girly girl') and which she prefers.

I voted ages 5-7, because I was first aware that something was different about me when I entered kindergarten at age 5.

Quote from: Hypatia on September 28, 2008, 12:16:32 PMBut I feel that stereotype does a disservice to those of us who lacked the boldness to challenge the system though we always knew inside something was different.

Well said, Hypatia. This is key. In this society it takes an enormously confident and independent child to challenge the gender assigned by others. Those of us who are meek by nature, followers rather than leaders, are more likely to try to just go along with what others say and think, however strong the conflict this causes.

When I was little I wanted to become a boy when I grew up. There was no sense of urgency about it, though. More a sense of, feeling right I guess. It wasn't that I was hating the fact that I was a girl, just that I wanted to be a boy.
I have no recollection at all about how my parents (and/or my older sisters) reacted to this. They probably thought it was a phase I would grow out of.

And it seemed like I did, for a while. I did not feel the need or want to become a boy anymore, I was just going through the motions I guess. When puberty hit, I already knew what was going to happen to my body. I did not feel one way or the other about it. I was not "thrilled" to "become a woman", but I was not angry/depressed about it either. It just was.
Looking at it like that, it seems I was really detached about the whole thing. I had no real feelings one way or the other about my body and the changes it was going through.

I guess I felt the same about puberty as I did when I was little and people called me a boy and my mum corrected them "No, she's a girl."
I did not mind them calling me a boy, and I did not mind my mum telling them I was a girl either. (Yes, I passed even when I was 4 or 5 years old, I guess. I still do pass easily, a blessing I am grateful for.)

Only now am I beginning to really "feel" about my body. About high time, reading back what I just wrote. The feelings are not always nice, but at least they are there. I guess it is better than the numbness, in a way.


Anyway... to answer the question...
Either I knew when I was really little (see above), or since a year or so when I started to really question myself and my gender identity. Both answers seem correct in my case.

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Quote from: Hypatia on September 28, 2008, 12:16:32 PMBut I feel that stereotype does a disservice to those of us who lacked the boldness to challenge the system though we always knew inside something was different.

Well said, Hypatia. This is key. In this society it takes an enormously confident and independent child to challenge the gender assigned by others. Those of us who are meek by nature, followers rather than leaders, are more likely to try to just go along with what others say and think, however strong the conflict this causes.

yep. i think alot also depends on the child's environment. a child with strict parents severely punished for minor infractions would probably be a lot less likely to challenge the system.

i voted 3-4 years because hats when i got my hair cut and began to choose more boyish clothes over girlier ones.  my parents were always pretty much just "whatever... clothes arent hurting anyone."  they pretty much always let me wear what i want and get my hair cut how i liked it.  my mom has this thing about hair being hair and hair grows.  i never wore anyhing indecent either, so my [arents were perfectly fine with my jeans and Tshirts.

only problem came in 8th grade when my mom forced me to start wearing a bra.  luckily i was a late bloomer.  i was made fun of a lot in middle school and called names tha maed me deny anyhing about my transness.  i didnt know what most of the names meant, but now that i think back, some of them were true. :P

after 9th grade i was tired of being beaten up and made fun of so i grew my hair out and moved to a new school where i wore girl clothes.  that lasted 2 years.  i realized my transness about halfway through my junior year and began wearing a binder.  i didnt want to come out publicly o i waited till the last day of school to cut my hair and buy new clothes.  i took my friends with me and i spent about $300 on clothes that day.

so in short...

How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?
about 4ish.

At what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
6 or so.   about when people started mistaking me for a boy a lot.

And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
about the same time as i was.

How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

I knew that I wasn't a boy when I was three or four, but naturally at that age, I couldn't describe how I felt in medical terms.  All I knew was that there were boys and there were girls, and for dang sure I was a girl, but everyone else said I was wrong.

At what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

Very early in life as well (see above).  This is an interesting question because I was never aware that I was "acting" in a manner which was "inappropriate for boys".  I was never your "typical boy" if that's what you are asking.  I was always very feminine in appearance and behavior; hence, I am certain that initially there were some people who thought I was "imitating" girls or believed that I was eventually going to "become gay"; nonetheless, that is how I naturally was, even at that young age. There was no "emulation" on my part at all.

And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

My mom was the first person I told in my own way. (I was four).  According to conversations I've had with my mom after I transitioned, she thought I was going through a childhood phase of some sort.  I was her first child, and she was young, somewhat inexperienced with young children, alas her naive assumption that this was only a temporary stage of development.  It was when they (family members) finally realized that "this phase" was not ending that hell started i.e, people's constant lectures on how to be a "real boy", confusion, the hatred towards my anatomy, my depression, my prayers to a God who never seemed to listen, conformity, and ultimately denial until years later when the pain was so overwhelming that I couldn't continue living a lie anymore.


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QuoteHow early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

When I was 4.

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As soon as I could form thoughts in my head

QuoteAnd/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

Well, even though there were a few incidents throughout my childhood that I viewed as being significant, but none of them noticed anything. Once I came out in 06 THEN they knew what was going on. Way to be on the ball there, guys.  ::)

How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?
As far back as I can remember I knew I was not a boy (I wasn't sure I was a girl though), I tried expressing it, but it was pretty obvious no one was having any part of it so I repressed it in order to stay out of trouble (friends, family, bullies).

At what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
See above.

And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
I am sure they have/do suspect.

Quote from: Nero on September 27, 2008, 04:05:34 PM
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I must have been 3 or 4. I remember crying and kicking because I didn't want my hair cut like a boy. As soon as we were home I got a belting for having made a show.

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Around the same age, I prefered girls things they were much more prettier than boys.

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I came out to my sister when I was 5 or 6. she thought it was great to have a "little sister" as she was an only girl with 5 brothers.. Sometime later my mother caught me wearing my sister clothes. Again I got a terrible beating for it. After that I went underground, tried to look and behave macho until I left home at 16. I always was open with all my girlfriends and they always accepted me as I am. Lately I have come out  some of my closest male friends and they are ok with it. Last year I gave my father a photo of Maebh and his comment was that I look much better as a woman. My mother tore the one I gave her.


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Maebh

As early as I can remember having friends I naturally gravitated towards socializing with girls. One friend would sort of play house except we took turns one being the mommy and the other being the baby. I was never interested in playing games with boys. But hey, boys were supposed to like girls so I thought that must be what it is. I can remember around 5 or 6 being teased in falsetto because I liked to let my hair grow long & comb it down rather than wear any sort of boys' cut, and I despised boy clothes, preferring anything unisex that I could wear. So with all that teasing (by parents), I became very afraid to be myself for a long time. I also didn't want to be like my mother who used to hit me.

Around 12-13 is when I started wishing I had the right anatomy. I still looked like a girl and I wanted to stay that way for as long as possible. I was scared you-know-what-less of growing up to become a man but I didn't feel I could express that because I'd get teased some more. (Actually I was still getting teased.) I just thought hey nobody could possibly want to be a guy, they must all feel the same way. I thought it was a matter of oh well sucks deal with it, and hope my actual future didn't resemble my nightmares (and I certainly had them). I'd heard of such a thing as a "sex change" and knew I wanted to get one of those someday. By 16 the feelings had only gotten stronger and the wrong physical changes were starting.

It wasn't until I was 23 and I realized there's an alternative that I said alright I can't do this anymore. And then for the very first time I tried on an article of feminine clothing and loved it. It was a dark green 3/4 sleeve top and for the longest time it was my favorite article of clothing. I still have it.

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My earliest memories were that I was a girl.....and getting in trouble because I "wasn't a girl". I dressed as a girl as much as my mother would allow when I was in my early years.... I was actually able to talk my mother in allowing me to go to school dressed as a girl (2nd grade).....However, I was promptly sent home and my mother got to answer to the principle.  My mother soon after didn't support me dressing as a girl and it was "strongly discouraged".

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By the time I reached high school, I knew something was desperately wrong.  I associated totally with the girls, and I didn't have a clue where the guys were coming from.  I was scrawny kid and didn't fit in at all with the guys. I hated gym, mainly due to an uncomfortableness with my body and seeing other "male" bodies in the locker room, so I didn't attend it for 2 1/2 years.....the funny part was that in the end to graduate, I had to attend gym twice a day, for my last 1 1/2 years of high school and they forced me to take gym with "the girls".(The lady that was my guidance consular must have had me "pegged" back then, even though it was never discussed)

There was never really a conscious admission "I am a girl" in high school.  I displayed all the traits, but by that time I had repressed the admission to the point that I operated under....... I just like this, or I do this because of some other lame reason.....examples being like, I wore makeup because I took drama and chorus and I "didn't want to look washed out under the lights".  I had to take gym with the girls because I missed my first two years and I was "assigned to the girls" by the guidance counselor, or I took sewing because "I might rip my pants someday", or cooking...because "everyone needs to know how to cook".  I was reading seventeen & self in high school, because "I wanted to know what the girls were thinking". HEELLOOOOOOO! I think there were a few signs here!!!

By college I was very depressed and suicidal, however I still couldn't admit to myself and others what was wrong.  I started dressing very adrogonously.  In my junior year I moved into a special dorm where the girls and the guys all used the same bathroom/showers/etc.  It was wonderful!!! Being in such close contact with other females my age helped my feminine self develop.  I finally purchased my first dress in my senior year of college.  By this time, I knew 100% who I was.....it then took me the 15 years to determine what I wanted to do about it, come out to everyone, and go through transition.

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And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?

Well you would have had to been blind not to notice....my parents always said I was a little girly...."a little......Hello!!!!"....I never officially came out to them until just this year......They claim they never knew.....(I guess they thought all those girl's clothes I had when I came home from college must had belonged to my girlfriend!.....funny how they fit so well)

Quote from: Nero on September 27, 2008, 04:05:34 PM
How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

About the time my sister was born I begin to understand that I was different, but it wasn't until I was age 5. I said to myself "I want to be a girl". But because of how my family was then I surpressed myself.

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About age 8. I wanted to be just like any other girl.

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Age 15 my Mom caught me in one of her dresses and she asked me why I was in her dress and my answer was "It made me feel Normal". After we talked she asked me to stop and I lied to her and said I would, then two months before I came out to her she asked if I counted to Cross-Dress and again I lied. But now she is trying to be supportive.

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Quote from: Hypatia on September 28, 2008, 12:16:32 PMBut I feel that stereotype does a disservice to those of us who lacked the boldness to challenge the system though we always knew inside something was different.

Well said, Hypatia. This is key. In this society it takes an enormously confident and independent child to challenge the gender assigned by others. Those of us who are meek by nature, followers rather than leaders, are more likely to try to just go along with what others say and think, however strong the conflict this causes.

Yeah and ironically it was my feminine nature itself which is linked to my issues of being so shy and retiring. Nowadays when I read feminist psychology, how women are too reluctant to assert themselves the way men do, I recognize myself in that.

And what points up the gender difference for me was, my one cousin is gay, when we were kids he easily ingratiated himself into all-girl gatherings, because being male he possessed the boldness and assertiveness to place himself wherever he wanted. Even when it meant defying gender boundaries like that, he's still a guy. Sociological studies have shown that in group dynamics where one person is male and everyone else is female, he will wind up dominating the proceedings. This was true of my gay cousin when he surrounded himself with girls.

Ironically, with my lack of assertiveness, I could only wish I could assimilate into female society as easily as my gay cousin did.

My story is a lot like hypatias.

I recall when I was about 5, hating the skirts I had to wear for chapel. "How come i have to wear it? that's a GIRL thing." I also remember my mom and i getting into a fight about jeans. She used to buy me boy jeans and it embarassed me that i had nothing to fill that spot. "Fine, we'll buy you girl jeans." Wrong answer mom. I wanted Gi Joe. I wanted Tonka Trucks. But like Hypatia, i grew up in a household where I was silenced. So I vacillated between wanting mom to be happy (ok i'm gonna wear dresses now) and wanting to be happy myself (ew gimme my pants! what's this pink business? gross!)

I always felt more comfortable around guys but wondered why so many of them (especially once i hit 10 or so) treated me like I couldn't possibly understand because i "was a girl." The girls made it VERY clear I should not make friends with them, even getting jumped in the bathroom. In fact I didn't really make female friends until my mid 20s.

When I was 10, mom made me wear a bra *shudders*... which of course i would take off and hide every chance i got. I even stuffed socks in them once trying to make her happy... she didn't notice. Age 12 I discovered Grunge music. Aside from seeming novelty acts like Bikini Kill (COME ON I WAS 12!) it was a male-dominated genre. I dolised Kurt Cobain (that's about the LEAST fu--uh--messed up thing about my childhood)... at 14 started dressing like him most of the time... and realised.. hey, this feels *good*. What is the word for this?

Sheltered little jeebusite I was, the closest I could come was bisexual... which i guess is true but in the wrong direction? these explorations were quickly disguised because I was "going to hell". I didn't go to public school by then so hiding my relationships was easy. Should I get involved with a guy, well, that i could mention... nevermind my "soulmate" at that age was trans til diagnosed Kleinfelters (WTF).... even uncrossed he made a better girl than i did...

finished high school and whoops, no more me! time to be a girl. Fortunately i knew it was coming and was able to stock up on girl clothes.... college, suicidal depression, let's get married and have a baby, that'll make me stop feeling this way!

...whoops, nope. 10 months of terror and alienation from my body worse than usual. Grateful for the child now, but *shakes head* definitely complicating factor. that relationship ended... got ivolved with a really feminine boy and that really triggered me. I went through about 4 years of "gay man in a woman's body" (including having panic attacks cos I saw the freakbags in the mirror when i woke up--wtf is wrong with--? oh. yeah. tits.)

about january of this year I just... i couldn't dress like a girl anymore. depression worse and worse... wtf is wrong...? oh!! THIS MAKES SENSE! So now I'm here.

Yeah I bet that made sense to no one lol.

Quote from: Hypatia on September 28, 2008, 12:16:32 PM
I have difficulty picking a specific radio button on this poll. For me the question isn't so simple.

I was manifesting cross-gender behavior as early as the age of 4, when I first began preschool. I felt impelled to align with the girls by inner urges that I did not know how to consciously articulate or understand at the time. I grew up always feeling uncomfortable, with a sense that I was a misfit, but unable to articulate to myself exactly why-- largely because of fear, and because nothing in my upbringing allowed any awareness of gender issues. You just did what you were told, or suffered punishment. As it was, I suffered plenty for not fitting in with the boys and constantly needing to align with the girls, let alone pursuing that issue in any depth. The authority figures maintained strict denial of that, and I wasn't bold enough to challenge the system, so I was coerced into denial too. I always hated the male roles imposed on me, and yearned for the feminine, but felt forced into denial.

In retrospect, I always felt drawn to model my life on that of my sister, so that I quietly absorbed as much as I could of her girlhood, vicariously and secretly, to avoid reprimands. I read her books, played her girly games and dolls, attended her tea parties and her Girl Scout meetings. I wore her dress when I was 10, and liked it, but only one time because I was afraid of being caught. My full awareness of who I was only evolved gradually over the years, to the extent I was able to get past the denial, and it wasn't until I was in college that I realized I should have been a woman. But it took many more years before I stopped burying the desire by telling myself it was impossible, and embraced my reality.

So these issues are not necessarily clearcut. My self-knowledge and actions are in bits and pieces spread out here and there throughout my lifetime, and it was only later in life that I was able to put all the pieces together, when in retrospect it all added up to clarity about who I had always been inside. And how through childhood trauma I had deeply buried so many pieces of evidence that when taken cumulatively in the full light, made it clear who I really am.

The standard, classical transsexual narrative has us all getting up on soapboxes from the age of 3 and proclaiming our true genders to the world in no uncertain terms. But I feel that stereotype does a disservice to those of us who lacked the boldness to challenge the system though we always knew inside something was different. We don't all have to fit exactly the same model to be accepted as legit.

As I've answered before to this question, the answer I could give might be age 4, 10, 22, 37, 43, or 45-- depending on how the awareness of this condition is defined. I spent most of my life deep in denial of this reality thanks to the trauma around it from early childhood.

I grew up wanting to be my mom.  To be the kind of person to my kids that she was to us.  I didn't even understand that entire gender deal, and when I did, I no longer cared. 

I always liked the girl stuff more than the boy stuff, even though I could do both.  So I did.  I remember when I was like 16 doing a show and having some of the big boys show up and say, in effect "we're like the guys, and we do audio, so you - lighting girl - stand aside."  "Sure, but I had the audio set up and dialed in hours ago, and now I'm working on the lights, and since that's for girls, I guess you are out of all your jobs tonight."  Oh well.

So it goes, and so it went.

I love to dress very fem, it never made me like boys more, or girls less, it just made me feel closer to who and what I was.

I had kids, and when I did I was ready to be a mother to them, and I would like to think I did OK at it.  The older one got some advantages that they younger one did not, and the younger one got a lot of stuff I didn't know the first time around - so I guess its a tie.

I loved being a mom, and it was very good to me.  It was the most important expression of my fem side I could ever hope for.

The rest as been easy after that.

It makes perfectly good sense, Lane. We get where you're coming from all right.

8-10 years I started dressing how I wanted to dress.. with a lot of arguements from  my mum trying to dress me in girly clothes.. I guess that, thats when my butch side started coming out..

I can only remember from when i was about 5 or 6, but my mum said i was always like a lad. Noisy, messy, destructive and what not and cried when she tried puttin me in dresses lol. Demanded i wore pants, or shorts.
Quite entertaining really.

I knew something was wrong about fifth grade, then I figured out exactly what it was sometime in between 2002 and 2004... I mean I realized back in fifth grade that something was wrong, and that I didn't feel like I should be a boy... and a few years later I realized what being transgendered was.

I only very recently even started kind of displaying it. With the coming out to my closest friends I have ended up getting some girl's pants and a purse. I now wear the girl's pants to classes... Not the purse, but I did have it in public once.

When I was seven is the earliest I remember feeling different. I played next door with the little girl who lived there. Her dolls and other female toys were fascinating to me. And I began to wonder what it would be like to wear her clothes. I never did, AFAIK, but then, the memory is hazy.

At ten, I wore a "nightdress" given to me by my grandmother. It was unisex, but it felt to me like a dress and evoked strange feelings in me. Once, I asked my younger sister to come into my room. I went into the closet and then, wearing the nightdress and a pair of my mom's shoes, literally stepped out of the closet and announced "Look! Instant girl." I felt delighted when my sister responded with "Yes!."

It was then that I realized my desire was to be a "real" girl. I desparately wanted long hair but my parents would not allow that. A boy in my class dressed up as a girl on one halloween and I envied him. He looked very pretty. I thought that I was ugly and would never be able to look how I felt I should. That's the moment that I began hating my male exterior.

In my early teens, I began cross-dressing in earnest looking for what I can only describe as release. When I dressed I fantasized that I was a real girl and in doing so felt someone stronger was emerging from deep inside me. I began going out at night as a girl and feeling free. Frightened of being caught, but strangely free. Of course it was because my source of female clothing was my mom's wardrobe that I kept getting caught by my dad. He was always angry, but never violent and I wasn't punished. I just think he was confused.

In my mid twenties, I was living 50% or so of my time as a girl. I would come home from work and immediately toss off my male role. I always wore some piece of feminine clothing underneath my male outfit. Pantyhose, panties, bra, etc. But I lacked the courage to go out in public. I felt that, even though my body was fairly feminine, my face was not, and I'd be made immediately. This had been reinforced in my early years by my father telling me, repeatedly, that "You'd make a real ugly girl." If he had known that I thought I really was a girl, would he have realised how much that hurt? God, I'm going to cry now just thinking about it.

(((Sarah)))
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I gave in and finally answered "3-4 years," since rereading my post it's clear that I began crossing genders at the age of 4. That was when I began preschool, the first time I'd ever been placed into a gendered situation and learned the hard way that such a thing as gender existed. And therefore my need to cross the boundary to get back to my innate girlhood. Prior to that, my sister and I, who are close together in age, had shared everything in life; we had no gender boundary between us when I was 3. I did not know she and I were supposed to be in different categories; as far as I knew, we were the same. Only when gender was imposed on us at school was I forced out of that early Eden of genderless girlhood.

How early were you aware of and/or display your true gender?

Well... I'm note sure. I know that I played with dolls as a little child... and I also used to play a lot with girls etc.
But I also loved cars. :)
I always felt somehow different to the other boys in my class but tried to play it down.
But I live in a very open minded family so I guess at home it wasn't that much of a problem to play with doll and such.
The time I became aware of the fact that there is something called GID/->-bleeped-<- etc, was the time I started figuring out that this may apply to me. Must be around the age of 15.
I always liked the female role more and if there was the oportunity to play it without getting too much attention I did it.
This had been going for some time now... and with 19 I admitted it to myself.

At what age were you aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
I caught myself of thinking how girlsclothes would look on me, but I didn't dare to wear some... simply because I don't have any and don't have any place to store them. I still didn't come out to my family and still live at home (again...^^).
I can't really say the age it started...

And/or at what age were the adults in your life aware of your 'crossgender' feelings/behaviours?
I think my parents already know it. They just wait for me to admit it. But everytime I try I start fighting with them for the most stupid things. -_- I guess I'm to aggressive when I'm nervous.

I was crossdressing @ 5 y/o and never got caught until sometime in 7th or 8th grade and had to QUICKLY make it all look like some clowning around I was doing because my parents @ that time were very worried about OTHER behavioral issues (depression, anti social behavior) and would've locked my ass up in the adolescent psych-ward @ the local hospital :-\

I knew I wanted to be a girl from a very early age, somewhere around 6 or 7. However I really did not display that until much later, say around my mid twenties. So I did not feel there should be the two questions with only one option....years and years of denial...
Thank the Maker those days are OVER...

Oh, and I have idea how anyone could possibly know any difference about gender between birth and 2 years of age...maybe I am a little slow on the uptake???

Whenever someone asks me that question I always say 5, mostly because I really don't have any coherent memory before kindergarden, and before then I really didn't have much say in my clothing choices... though I did always have a preference for stereotypically male toys.

I started cross dressing when I was around 5 or 6. I think the first time I cross dressed, I was with my mother. We were playing dress up and I asked if I could wear her clothes.

I guess I was lucky , I had 2 brothers and we were pretty poor so it was easier for my mom to dress us all the same.  She pretty much treated us all the same too. I guess I never grew out of it. Highschool brought a littel more pressure to dress like a "girl" but since I was a jock a little less. Guess I have never had to dress like a girl just dress appropriately for work stuff. So what about 5 or 6. Never liked dolls only sports and "boy games". Don't ever remember being a really girly girl ever?!
Myles