Fred Phelps Plans to Picket Funeral of Obama's Grandmother
by: Fritz
Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 18:37:15 PM EST
http://pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8100 (http://pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8100)
This is a new low for the Rotting Crypt Keeper and his inbred gang of hate merchants.
http://www.godhates->-bleeped-<-s.com/written/fliers/20081104_madelyn-payne-dunham-funeral.pdf (http://www.godhates->-bleeped-<-s.com/written/fliers/20081104_madelyn-payne-dunham-funeral.pdf)
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what bible did these people read? >:( >:( >:(
The man is simply unbelievable. >:(
if that fool does that maybe he will get more then he wanted . and get,s put in the jail for a 100yr,s and with no probation >:( >:(
Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 09, 2008, 05:05:15 PM
The man is simply unbelievable minded. >:(
Sorry Steath, but I modified your statement because it is more correct now. ;)
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 09, 2008, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 09, 2008, 05:05:15 PM
The man is simply unbelievable minded. >:(
Sorry Steath, but I modified your statement because it is more correct now. ;)
Laffin. :laugh:
Meet my press secretary, Janet Lynn!
Quote from: debbie j on November 09, 2008, 06:34:53 PM
if that fool does that maybe he will get more then he wanted . and get,s put in the jail for a 100yr,s and with no probation >:( >:(
I'm hoping for karma, he could go to the lowest level of the vision of fiery hell that he believes in >:-)
Z
Quote from: Zythyra on November 09, 2008, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: debbie j on November 09, 2008, 06:34:53 PM
if that fool does that maybe he will get more then he wanted . and get,s put in the jail for a 100yr,s and with no probation >:( >:(
I'm hoping for karma, he could go to the lowest level of the vision of fiery hell that he believes in >:-)
Z
indeed z indeed i agree with you
Personaly I cannot imagine the amount of self-loathing and violent sense of being left-outside this man and his family must feel.
I think that's the ultimate result when one becomes so very convinced that they speak with "the voice of god" that they never stop to appraise exactly what they say and how their actions speak much more deftly and convictingly than their words ever have.
I imagine the "karma" he has within him is what burns him so already. He preaches "love" and yet continuously shows the absence of love within himself, or at least a bit of compassion.
Anyone and everything becomes a means of him spewing forth the terrible hatred and alienation he wishes to get of himself due to how badly it hurts him, I imagine. The message is horrid, but I imagine the pain within him is far more horrid and in need of some truly deep healing. I hope it comes to him.
Nichole
oh HELL NO.
Quote from: Nichole on November 09, 2008, 07:54:21 PM
Anyone and everything becomes a means of him spewing forth the terrible hatred and alienation he wishes to get of of himself due to how badly it hurts him, I imagine. The message is horrid, but I imagine the pain within him is far more horrid and in need of some truly deep healing. I hope it comes to him.
Nichole
Yes, clearly he's in deep pain. Can you imagin e having the gig to be his therapist though?? eeegads! They'd have to go home and have a lobotomy after therapy sessions to get his crap out of their minds. :o
Z
The grand thing about being a therapist, Z, at least in a private practice is that I get to decide who to allow as a patient. :)
To answer your question. "No." I wouldn't muck about in that psyche for all the tea in China. The hip-boots and oxygen masks and nuclear radiation suits haven't yet been made that would protect anyone from a psyche like that one seems to be.
Nichole
Quote from: Nichole on November 09, 2008, 08:31:41 PM
To answer your question. "No." I wouldn't muck about in that psyche for all the tea in China. The hip-boots and oxygen masks and nuclear radiation suits haven't yet been made that would protect anyone from a psyche like that one seems to be.
Nuclear radiation suits sounds about right! It seems rather unlikely that he'd come for help though.
There's a recent documentary about Phelps called Fall From Grace, but I can't bring myself to rent it.
Z
I find the man abhorrent (especially considering my own religious background, he's everything I have come to see that is wrong with conservatism gone awry).
To put things in perspective, isn't his church basically just a few families left at this point -- maybe a membership of under 100? All basically spiritually inbred?
Sometimes I wish the media would just ignore him. They only exist because they are listened to. If they were utterly ignored and it no longer suited any purpose for them to picket, that would probably discourage them far more. I find that when you meet a fundamentalist with fire, all it does is give them added zest for responding.
Wow!
You know who he reminds me of in terms of action and even a little in appearance?
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The Reverend Henry Kane, from the 'Poltergeist' movies.
God is in... his holy temple... as we call... upon his name...
Zest must be the answer, Jenny!! Thanks so much. All this time I've been wondering why the smell got worse the more thoroughly you scrapped the skin off that lot!!
Zest is definitely the answer; just like with lemons in the kitchen. Twice as much smell! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: >:-)
That was a good post, seriously. :)
Thanks so much.
Nichole
The thing is that money can buy you anything. This is includes this wingnut. Someone is pumping money into his rants.
We need to have someone to pump money into our issues and a lot of it. Then our issues will be on the local and national news.
IMHO
Won't the guy have to buy tickets to transport his gang to Hawaii?
How much would that cost? Then hotel rooms even if only for one night. Wood and materials for signs. Nails. Cab fair to the burial site. Getting shaken down by the secret service. I guess that last one would be free. Cab fair back to the airport. Peanuts on the flight back. Headphones.
Where do they get the cash?
Quote from: Rebis on November 09, 2008, 10:39:27 PM
Where do they get the cash?
I've read that they sue towns who don't let them demonstrate for violation of freedom of speech. A percentage of communities choose to settle out of court rather than deal with a lawsuit. So that's where they're getting the cash. BTW, one of the Phelps clan is a lawyer.
Z
His "Church" is not about love,
its not about hate,
this is a church about headlines... plain and simple.
the hate message is just a tool to get headlines.
If a headline that is seen by 20 million generates donations from one tenth of one percent that's still 2000 persons making a financial contribution to the man church.
If you want to hurt this guy. get news organizations to ignore him. headlines only help him he is not worthy of a headline good or bad.
Now, isn't there a way we could use that outrageous behaviour against LGBt hate? Kind of like the martial art Aikido, that uses an opponents insanity and energy and turns it back on the opponent, deflecting the attack?
Maybe if there were a whole bunch of '->-bleeped-<-s' surrounding them when they protest, holding up tall screens that hide the Phelps gang from view of mourners and the curious that turn out.
There'd be media there, and the opportunity to be seen performing a service in respect of the President-Elect's deceased grandmother.
The Phelps clan gets their free speech, we get ours.
Karen
Heh, forget where the money comes from, where ever do they get such notions as "godhates->-bleeped-<-s" in the first place?
Quote from: Zythyra on November 09, 2008, 10:45:38 PM
Quote from: Rebis on November 09, 2008, 10:39:27 PM
Where do they get the cash?
I've read that they sue towns who don't let them demonstrate for violation of freedom of speech. A percentage of communities choose to settle out of court rather than deal with a lawsuit. So that's where they're getting the cash. BTW, one of the Phelps clan is a lawyer.
Z
That's brilliant! We need a gimmick like that.
Posted on: November 10, 2008, 12:04:50 pm
Quote from: Kimberly on November 10, 2008, 02:53:47 AM
Heh, forget where the money comes from, where ever do they get such notions as "godhates->-bleeped-<-s" in the first place?
their fathers probably beat it into them. Because they were loving parents.
In my opinion those who profess Christianity should take heed to the scriptures about life in this world.
The word of God says that we should pray for those in a position of authority. Not publicly demonstrate against them.
There are references where Paul disputed 3 sabbaths with the Jews. He didn't make a life long carreer out of it. Neither did he do it to push his train of thought and faith off on them. If I recall right he mentioned crying for them as brethren that missed the mark, so to speak.
I guess faith is admirable if it is strong enough to go against the Commander in Chief of our nation. Still, it is going against scripture and as one who claims to be a Christian he should know better.
If there was a point to be made, he made it and we didn't see it. Why beat a dead horse? Especially when all it does is to bring shame against the Lord and cause those who do not believe in Christianity to mock God?
I personally didn't vote one way or the other. Therefore, I really have no room to speak one way or the other about our President. I believe he will do what he feels is right for him. Whether that is motivated by a deep rooted faith, money or power is something I think we could all contend about from now until his term is done.
I always get a kick out of the arm-chair football fanatics that criticize the players when they couldn't do any better themselves. In like manner I couldn't do a good job as President of the United States and therefore have no room to speak one way or another.
I will follow his leadership as long as it doesn't go against the word of God as the Spirit of God leads me. Others can do and say what they wish and I respect them for their thoughts and may even learn from them. They may give me insight into what the President believes but will not sway my views.
As for Mr. Phelps, I personally find room not to back him nor believe he is truly called of God to picket funerals. I feel it is a shame and the President should be guarded against his taunting just as members of the GLBTQ community should be. I also believe that if he keeps bring such foolishness unto grieving people he should be stopped legally and in accordance with the laws of the land.
I personally believe that Mr. Phelps is causing many to mock the Lord and I therefore do not count him as brethren while he does such things. I also believe that like many, he may very well have started out with a genuine love of the Lord and desire to right those things he felt was wrong. And, like many the fame, money and power may have corrupted an honest love and turned it into near blasphemous foolishness that judges others and in judging them he may condemn himself just as the word of God warns us who claim the name of Jesus.
I hope he will stop his actions against all whom are just trying their best to live their life in this world. The GLBTQ community and even the President of the United States.
I do not see picket signs listed among the fruit of the Spirit.
But, that's just my opinion.
Alicia
Wha! Obama's grandmother was a secret ->-bleeped-<-! THANK YOU REVEREND PHELPS!!
Oh gosh, I'm here a day and I'm already reviving old threads...
I just think its an important point to make:
That people who hate seem to have such an immense drive to push it on everyone and get heard.. how come people who love seem content to just kick back and shake their head for a few minutes then get on with their lives?
Reminds me of a saying 'Evil is what happens when good men do nothing.
I thought Evil is what happens when good people refuse to wear chicken costumes.
I went to the wrong school, obviously. :laugh:
I personally believe that Mr. Phelps is causing many to mock the Lord
I never thought of this. Guess I owe the guy a thank you card.
A thank you card laced with arsenic. heh heh. Gotta think ahead.
Hey, he's doing my work for me, leaving me free to work and drink beer. What more could I want.
Quote from: Zythyra on November 09, 2008, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: debbie j on November 09, 2008, 06:34:53 PM
if that fool does that maybe he will get more then he wanted . and get,s put in the jail for a 100yr,s and with no probation >:( >:(
I'm hoping for karma, he could go to the lowest level of the vision of fiery hell that he believes in >:-)
Z
My guess is he'll probably end up in only the fifth or sixth circle -- depending on whether he's classified as merely wrathful or an outright heretic. And it's not all fiery -- the inner ring is encased in ice. ;)
Quote from: Nichole on November 09, 2008, 07:54:21 PMI imagine the "karma" he has within him is what burns him so already. He preaches "love" and yet continuously shows the absence of love within himself, or at least a bit of compassion.
Anyone and everything becomes a means of him spewing forth the terrible hatred and alienation he wishes to get of himself due to how badly it hurts him, I imagine. The message is horrid, but I imagine the pain within him is far more horrid and in need of some truly deep healing.
A suffering soul on the way to the Kingdom of Heaven
Held up a sign that says "God hates America"
A child has been lost
A mother is shocked and is grieving
And turning away, turning away
He said there is a love that is so hideous and destructive
We must drive it from Earth to save all of our children
He must know it well
In the night it's the hell that he speaks of
It keeps him awake, keeps him awake
My God is love
My God is peace
My God loves you
My God loves me--Melissa Etheridge
Most of his "church" is family members.
And there is a group of motorcycle riders called the Patriot Guard (mostly vets), who will go to a funeral, sing and generally run interference to keep these jerks out of the way. They have done this for many families free of charge even if Phelps does not show up.
On one hand, I really hope Phelps does go and do this for I suspect it could be the last straw. I am sorry it comes to this though and I especially feel bad for the family. No one deserves protesting at a funeral. Wait, can the Secret Service shoot to kill? :P
And yes he does look like Henry Kane
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Quote from: Alyssa M. on January 02, 2009, 11:42:08 AMMy guess is he'll probably end up in only the fifth or sixth circle -- depending on whether he's classified as merely wrathful or an outright heretic. And it's not all fiery -- the inner ring is encased in ice. ;)
Oooooh. Fred Phelps on Ice! I wonder if he can skate ... or maybe they'll just dump him in the furry smurf suit. ;D
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Mina.