Mine is using mens bathrooms and wearing boring men's clothes.
Not being a bio woman. Period. And yes I would love to have them, too.
Being treated like one.
"Why would you ever want to wear a dress?" - My mom
It's the women's privilege thing. Bio girls take their power for granted. They have alot of power, they just don't admit it.
Being over weight, especially right now during transition.I also hate the expectation to fight people & to be a jerk,uncareing,closed off
Erections, and being looked at as a potential "threat" (sexual or otherwise).
~Kate~
Superficially: Body hair
More substantially: The way others see me as a guy and instantly have a whole set of assumptions and expectations about me which they wouldn't if they saw me as a woman.
All excellent replies.
I particulary agree with kelley - I am so jealous of the power of a beatiful woman and not being included in their nuturing friendships/clubs.
I also particulary agree with the the points made by Dana W, Kate and Leiandra - being treated like a typical masculine man when deep down you're not.
Body Hair (I'm the family silverback; I grow my own sweaters.)
Boring Clothes
Societal Roles
Men's public restrooms (Geez, were these guys raised in zoos?)
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on November 18, 2008, 10:03:10 AM
Men's public restrooms (Geez, were these guys raised in zoos?)
Not to disagree --- but I have had to clean some ladies rooms that well... UGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I realize sitting to peeshould not be messy... but I have heard that many squat above the seat, and well it goes everywhere. And as neat as some women are... they do not clean up for the next one..... who then squats and makes the mess worse.
Then I would come in at the end of the day and CRIKEY that sucked...
Daisy
Being misunderstood and mistaken for a homosexual.
i HATE being a bio male and EVERYTHING that goes with it !!!
Being expected to act like a Neanderthal most of the time.
No natural beauty.
Not being a part of the social network that women take for granted.
The heavy load of responsibility that I am expected to bear.
Testosterone and other hormones, and their accompanying body hair, body shape, and aggression.
Quote from: Emme on November 18, 2008, 01:32:25 PM
The only way I can do that now is if someone strings me up and beats me like a pinata.
:icon_yikes:
Now
there's a visual I didn't really need.
facial hair, height, male reproductive organ, adamns apple and deepened voice box
being expected to be tough and not to show emotion
What do I hate most?
That I have to think about gender. That I can't just feel normal. That I can't just be me.
Amanda
Being stuck in a form that isn't acceptable by me or by others. At least as an MtF.
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 18, 2008, 03:35:55 PM
Being stuck in a form that isn't acceptable by me or by others. At least as an MtF.
See, that's the odd thing about being an androgyne. Everyone but me finds the form acceptable.
The unsettled mind never able to be content.
The never peaceful inner body feeling.
The hopelessness of knowing I can never be who I really am. (due to my personal circumstances)
being perceived as a male, and the assumptions that some people make based on that physical appearance
balding on top
hair on chest
that people get so bent out of shape if I choose to wear a dress
Z
Phrasing it in the opposite manner, what do you most like about being a bio-guy, would result in a MUCH shorter list.
What do you most like about being a bio-guy:
1. ?
See, much shorter.
For me it is the whole set of assumptions that people make about me.
I live in a largely working class(Blue-Collar) city which has a long history of macho behaviour.
I hate having to hide my femininity. Having to deny your inner most self is soul destroying!
Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 19, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
Phrasing it in the opposite manner, what do you most like about being a bio-guy, would result in a MUCH shorter list.
What do you most like about being a bio-guy:
1. ?
See, much shorter.
The fact that I have three beautiful children. Nothing else.
Always being looked upon to save the day no matter how bleak the situation may be (Knight In Shining Armor theory) :(
For once I want to be the one saved ... ;)
gina
Agreed Gina im tired of always being the calm strong one.
I wanna be rescued and swept off my feet sometime by a knight in shining armor :)
As a bio/identifying guy...
Positives
1) Not being a "token" in field of math.
2) Easy masturbation.
3) Not being a "token" in anything, really. It's not that often society talks about male exceptions.
4) Never being *expected* to wear a skirt/dress that can be cumbersome.
5) Not being hit on by every creep trying to get into someone's pants.
6) I never had to worry about a clothing gift that would make me look like a person of easy virtue.
7) Along the lines of #4, not being expected to wear make-up or high-heels. Huzzah!
Negatives
1) As mentioned earlier, wearing a dress is pretty much forbidden for serious purposes. Generally I don't want to wear them, but there's times it'd be damned nice. It may not stop me, though.
2) Facing pressure to bulk up. This stipulation seems to have abated with time, though.
3) Being expected to be a man-whore. Like #2, this seems to have declined in time.
4) Typically being treated as a man-whore whenever I'm friendly with a female that's of age for dating, even when I'm just being friendly. Of course, if the female of interest gives me that sort of treatment, she's probably sexist and/or an idiot anyway, and I likely wouldn't be good friends with them. Of course, most women and men seem to be sexists and/or idiots, so life gets pretty frustrating...
Testosterone. Hands down.
Makes me feel destructive and makes me feel like I've got a war going on inside myself. Especially as a teen, expected to be destructive and malevolent.
Its simply not me.
Sarrah M.
Facial hair,broad eyebrow and pubic region..............I just hate these.
Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 19, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
What do you most like about being a bio-guy:
1. ?
1 Bupkes. Nada. (translation, absolutely nothing)
Z
Quote from: Anisha on November 20, 2008, 01:01:18 AM
Facial hair,broad eyebrow and pubic region..............I just hate these.
I have one eyebrow (think Bert from Sesame Street) that actually curls around the sides of my eyes. I have the ends and the middle.
Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 19, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
What do you most like about being a bio-guy:
1. ?
See, much shorter.
*smiles*
Only one thing... it brought me here, and I've met some wonderful people I wouldn't have otherwise.
That's it.
Quote from: Leiandra on November 20, 2008, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 19, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
What do you most like about being a bio-guy:
1. ?
See, much shorter.
*smiles*
Only one thing... it brought me here, and I've met some wonderful people I wouldn't have otherwise.
That's it.
I hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks, Leiandra. :)
Quote from: Leslie AnnWhat do you most like about being a bio-guy:
1. ?
QFT
I hate having to drink milk straight out of the box. Just really bugs me. ;)
I think the expectations around being a male bug me the most.
The ruined-no-matter-what-you-do voice
The weird body size and dimensions
Quote from: Fox on November 19, 2008, 06:27:51 PM
Agreed Gina im tired of always being the calm strong one.
I wanna be rescued and swept off my feet sometime by a knight in shining armor :)
Quote from: gina on November 19, 2008, 06:24:23 PM
Always being looked upon to save the day no matter how bleak the situation may be (Knight In Shining Armor theory) :(
For once I want to be the one saved ... ;)
gina
omgosh yea, I was just telling my roommate (ex-girlfriend) the other day that I'm tired of saving her from problems and I wish I was the one that didn't have to keep a level head just because I was the "guy". Well, I did just remember that she doesn't mind me curling up with her arm around me when I get in a real down mood and I'm crying my eyes out over stuff I can hardly explain to her.
Well, I'm not TS, so I can't say I really hate being a bio-guy, but... I often think it would be nice if the stuff in my pants were truly retractable. I tuck, but it's not always that comfortable for me. I really envy women in that they can just cross their legs any way they want and all.
--Lyric
Having to admit that I ever was a bio-guy. The fact that I have to try to convince every one that I am a woman drives me into an almost unrecoverable depression. Then even if and when I convince them that I am in fact a female with a body abnormality I feel like I then have to seek validation from them, Which brings me to my second and third things I hate most.
Facial hair I F!&%@&$ HATE IT!
The protrusion in my lower region. I'll give it to the first bidder.
Dislikes:
* Body hair. Although it does have one advantage. I instantly bonded with my cat. She took one look at my chest fur and went, MOMMY! :)
* Shaving my face.
* Thinning hair as I get older. But not below my scalp, damn it!
* When I was a kid, getting mocked by my classmates for not being athletic, macho, etc, etc. Doesn't happen now, though. At least not to my face.
* Again, when I was a kid, being chosen last for teams. And not being able to "opt out" of that sadistic ritual.
* A sense of isolation. Feeling that I have to hide my real self, and that no one like me or accepts me. Although to be fair, I don't know if that's because I'm a bio guy, or just because I have underlying personality problems that have nothing to do with being born male.
* I'm expected to take the risk of "making the first move".
* And, of course, having a limited selection of clothing.
On the other hand, I must admit there are advantages to being a bio-guy:
* Guys get more distinguished as they get older.
* Don't have to worry as much about my appearance.
* Don't have to shave my legs.
* Don't have to work twice as hard for half the pay.
* Much less fear of getting mugged.
* Don't have to deal with unwanted sexual advances.
* I'm always dressed to go up a ladder (no skirts or heels ;D ).
An addition for me, one which is a major bug bear - also one which I've to supress but I've been reminded of lately.
Being treated as if I have no feelings.
A few of times I have gone to my sister's to look after her and her daughter (my niece and godaughter) for a day or few and she just unloads on me and abuses me as if "its just my little brother he can take it" I'm sick of being an emotional punching bag, not just for my sister but for most women generally.
And for those who ask why I'm not married, look at the above not how I act or how I dress. I say no to lots of women I know won't treat me properly.
I hate body hair. I hate my masculine figure. I hate my male member. But most of all I hate not being one of the girls, like when they gather at a party and talk about girl things, or go to try on clothes at the mall, or get together for girls night out. I have always, ever since I was a small kid, wanted to just be one of the girls. Being one of the guys did absolute nothing for me. Still don't.
What can I possily say that everyone else here already hasns't? I could simply say that I hate everything about it; better yet, I'll say what I don't like is not being a bio-girl. Besides the fact that I lack any interest/deftness in sports, masculinity, or a girl-friend (cause you know I just HAVE to be gay if I'm not having sex yet ::) ), I have the combined problem of having certain "female" aspects to my body and the teenage hormonal imbalances. I don't know how many times I've heard my classmates/parents say to me "You have small feet" or "You have small hands and wrists" or even "Put some bass in your voice." But to be specific for the sake of it...
Hates:
Facial Hair, body hair, figure (which is to say LACK of it), clothes, treatment from others (like everyone else who said this here, I just HAVE to be an emotionless wall or some other some crap like that), not being part of the many, MANY things girls do that makes them feel so much like a loving community (Because as stated..I DON'T LIKE sports, so a sports team is out of the question) voice tone, social expectations (some of them are just TOO MUCH), standard "he's a male" treatment I receive from my friends/family, having to hide my emotional self and "true me" on the inside and let it tear me apart, and of course, my "Little Schnitzel" as I call it.
Likes:
.....It's not a shock when I play video games :laugh: ?
This is my first ACTUAL thread post, so if I did something wrongin it or my response, please don't hold it against me.
Hmm... I'll play! :D
(In no real order)
1. My penis. I mean seriously, WTF?
2. My arms. They are uncomfertably long.
3. Facial hair. It makes me feel ugly and gross.
4. Sex Drive. NO I DON'T WANT ANY SEX WITH GIRLS!!!
5. The general idea that I'm a guy. Uh, no.
6. My body is way too skinny...
7. My chest feels way too flat...
8. Body Hair. It's so gross...
9. My skin. It feels oily...
10. Being treated like a guy... *sigh*
Quote from: Lyric on November 22, 2008, 12:27:46 AM
Well, I'm not TS, so I can't say I really hate being a bio-guy, but... I often think it would be nice if the stuff in my pants were truly retractable. I tuck, but it's not always that comfortable for me. I really envy women in that they can just cross their legs any way they want and all.
--Lyric
Really DOES get in the way...
I'm not pure TS so there isn't an incredible 24/7 state of male resent, but there is a lot about it that I get sick of.
Dislikes
Body & Facial Structure - I think this holds me back the most in considering transition or even from cross dressing. I look at my hands and see man hands. I look at my feet and see man feet, I inherited my father's heavy brow. All of these <not allowed> up my reflection for me.
Sex - I like men, but I'm not gay and they all want to do is play with my dick, when I'm just trying to be myself for a night and forget about it. I like women but again there is the same problem. Even liking women was a big problem for me for a long time, until I decided that it wasn't going to go away, and I'd need to learn to live with it.
Social Issues - Women always expect me to act like a man to them and do that whole thing which I absolutely hate. I'm ok with being a guy in everyday social settings where it really doesn't matter either way, but when a girl wants my arm around her shoulder and all of that typical Hollywood male ->-bleeped-<- I just curl up inside.
Further, people expect me to act like a guy and I can deal with that sometimes, but there are points where I get sick of it, but you have to inch out with a lot of subtlety and technique so as not to scare people, because just turning it on or off will really <not allowed> with their heads.
Guy Clothes are BOOORING - I've been trying to ritz up my male wardrobe lately, but it really doesn't do anything but distract me.
Lacking Social Privilege - Seriously, girls have got some ->-bleeped-<- guys NEVER get.
Likes:
People Listen To Me - I can cut people off in conversations more often without it being a big deal, and also I can speak without being cut off for much longer than a girl can. Also my opinions are more respected by both genders.
Being Strong - i don't care who you are, pulling a boulder out of the ground that is five times your size and pushing it down the hillside and watching it gain so much speed that it jumps the creek below is pretty rewarding.
It's O.K. To Be An ->-bleeped-<- - This is one that I'd really miss (hell I'd keep it, let the world adjust to me!). But having attitude, talking crudely, and being edgy is really fun for me. I don't think I could quit that if I tried.
Quote from: Kara-Xen on November 23, 2008, 09:56:17 PM
Quote from: Lyric on November 22, 2008, 12:27:46 AM
Well, I'm not TS, so I can't say I really hate being a bio-guy, but... I often think it would be nice if the stuff in my pants were truly retractable. I tuck, but it's not always that comfortable for me. I really envy women in that they can just cross their legs any way they want and all.
--Lyric
Really DOES get in the way...
When I was younger and thinner, it wasn't a problem. But these days, well, I guess my thighs are bigger around now.
QuoteIt's O.K. To Be An ->-bleeped-<- - This is one that I'd really miss (hell I'd keep it, let the world adjust to me!). But having attitude, talking crudely, and being edgy is really fun for me. I don't think I could quit that if I tried.
Okay that's another one I dislike about being a bio-guy, I know it may sound liberating but...
1. I've never had male friends because arseholeness and crudeness is never too far away.
2. When I left school I went out of my way to avoid male-dominated profressions because of this.
3. People expect me to be agressive and crude when I'm just the opposite. So either the finger is wrongly pointed at me or there's something wrong with me because I don't act like a blokey bloke.
4. If I was a bio-woman and I was working in a male-dominated workplace or profession people would understand my objections but I'm a guy and therefore something is wrong with me
5. At school I got picked on when I didn't laugh at their crude (and sometimes sexist) jokes. "Go play with the girls" was a thing they often said to me but that was impossible because the boys and the girls were separated at lunchtime and recess.
There are still feminine ways of expressing it, you just have to have the ovaries to be a bitch.
Wow, Goldy what a great thread, with great responses!
For me--
(in the past) as people have said, the whole stupid boatload of expectations. I didn't want to discuss cars, snowmobiles, football or the like. I didn't want to posture and go through the whole catalog of idiot behaviours, or watch you do it either.
(in the present) I would really love to have been able to bear a child, and yes I know it's not just a walk in the park. Still, I regret that I can't ever be pregnant. I also hate having to agonize over when and if to tell someone about my history. And, more superficially, I wish I had HIPS!
I'll just add one more thing: It's amazing to me that the very same traits and behaviours that I used to get bashed for, are now the very ones that my (FEMALE!) friends love best about me. What a world.
As a male so many think you are invulnerable. Everything washes off and you can shrug off the most annoying pestilences.
Seems as though most want to discuss sports like its the end all of everything that is male and must be talked about. And golf...OMG don't get me going on that. I HATE that game yet EVERYBODY assumes I have to like it and must like it and will know about it so they start talking like being a guy makes me an expert.
And beer. Bleh that is the nastiest tasting stuff yet I obviously presenting as a male demand it. People seem shocked when all I want is ice water, no lemon.
"What? No beer? OMG are you GAY?"
Can't say..oh wow he's cute, or that is cute because that is gay. Nothing is cute, there are no tears, and anything feminine is taboo.
WoW!
Stealthgrrl and Lori,
You both nailed it for me. The whole thing about being expected to like or dislike things just because they are or are not male typical. Except for the beer... I still like beer, just not as much as I used to.
Well I think what I liked the most was that no one felt any great urge to protect or shelter me. I think that gave me a wider range of chances and opportunities than a girl in my situation would have had.
Other than that, most of what people discuss is just a broad range of stereotypes that in reality don't hold much water, or didn't much past 1965 or so. I know lots of guys who never did or liked sports, and lots of girls who did.
That male crudeness might not ever be far away, but it has its reasons, and again, I know some pretty crude women too, they were able to rise (or lower themselves) to the occasion.
My feet are not too bad, 12 or 11wide in girls shoes, but my hands are what they are, I work with them, I'm not ashamed of them. They are a dead giveaway perhaps, but I'm only being who I am, and I'm not saying that I'm not, so it goes.
But most of the rest is pretty OK, it was more the social and cultural aspects of being a girl that appeal to me then the biology deal, which is, I think in its own way, somewhat easier to change.
I hate it being seen as weird when I get emotional, or if I am affectionate with my son. When I'm out with him, I get a lot of comments like "what an attentive father" and such.
I know it's a compliment, but it still reminds me that my personality doesn't really fit the male role.
I hate everything that reminds me Im a bio-guy. but after next week, whilst in Thailand reading a good book & recuperating from my GRS, Ill leave all that behind me & therell be no trace of that painful truth.
Quote from: tekla on November 27, 2008, 10:35:36 AM
Other than that, most of what people discuss is just a broad range of stereotypes that in reality don't hold much water, or didn't much past 1965 or so. I know lots of guys who never did or liked sports, and lots of girls who did.
I assume Tekla is referring to the comments about beer and sports and so on.
Personally, I think beer tastes awful, and I neither follow nor participate in sports. But that hasn't bothered me since I graduated from high school -- because since then, most of my associates have been computer nerds and techie geeks. Few of them expect guys to spend every weekend watching sports and guzzling beer.
However, I'm not convinced that the "general population" has given up those stereotypes. God knows, the ads for my local cable company imply every normal guy would sacrifice his first born male child to get 47 sports channels.
the ads for my local cable company imply every normal guy would sacrifice his first born male child to get 47 sports channels
If that were true, they wouldn't need to advertise to try to sell it would they? And even most of the 'nerds' I know like some form of sport. Its not all NFL. Its bikes and rock climbing, skiing, surfing - physical stuff. When I see sport I see it in all those forms, not just couch potatoes watching the Cowboys. And the girls I know are as active as the guys. They climbed as well as us - sometimes better, skied as well as us - sometimes better, and always play softball better then I do, so its not a straight up split, though it is a sharp age division I'll grant you.
Quote from: tekla on November 28, 2008, 02:19:28 AM
And even most of the 'nerds' I know like some form of sport.
True! But they accept the fact that I don't. Unlike the ->-bleeped-<-s I had to deal with in high school!
Personally, since the late 60s, I haven't felt any pressure to conform to the stereotype that males are expected to love sports and beer. But starting in the late 60's, I've systematically cut myself off from the twits who generate that kind of pressure.
Has society changed, and they've gone the way of the dodo? Or are they still out there, and they'd hassle me if I was released into "gen pop"? Damned if I know.
Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:31:20 AM
Wow, Goldy what a great thread, with great responses!
Well thank you very much Ma'am, I'm pretty much amazed at the response myself.
Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:31:20 AM... the whole stupid boatload of expectations. I didn't want to discuss cars, snowmobiles ...
OMG!!! We've discovered the TG Sarah Palin!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that.
No, not at all
But on a more serious note, Sorry, I couldn't resist, It's a shame snowmobilers, moose hunters or anyone from Alaska or a cold US state will be stuck with accusations of associations to Ms Palin for the near future.
(See humour - "Mom, Dad I've got something to tell you" for more fun.)
Definitely the worst thing about being a bio-guy is not being able to show your emotions. I tried so hard to suppress it that I became emotionally numb for a long time. I couldn't feel anything at all. Although my family now knows that I was depressed, I have still never told them specifically about the emotional numbness I had. It kept me from telling anyone about the problem because it was preventing me from even feeling love. I didn't want my family to know I didn't love them. :'( I often thought about killing myself, but I never told anyone even if they were trying to help me because I was worried that if I decided to go through with it, then they would stop me. I did try once, but thankfully I failed to even hurt myself. I stuck tweezers into an electrical outlet and caused the circuit breaker to go off.
I'm sorry I had to tell such a depressing story. I hope I didn't bother anyone with it. Just to make sure it's clear, I'm past all of that and I'm no longer thinking about suicide. :)
Lots of things I hated as a man.
- Facial hair
- Body hair on my upper legs, upper arms, chest, and stomach
- Hated getting haircuts. My last haircut was 2002.
- Using the men's room as an M2F
- Having my ID card read "M" instead of "F"
- Asking a girl to go out on a date with me when I was in school (at times when my other relationships were on the rocks), and the girl says "no." This is still going on today in similar ways.
- Prone to trouble at school
Today, as an M2F... The Advantages I never had
- My hair has been growing and occasionally trimmed.
- Constantly epiliating, waxing, using Nair, etc. to remove body and facial hair, in addition to electrolysis.
- Some places allow me to use the women's room as an M2F
- In the event should Angela and I divorce, and find a gay woman (or F2M) to go out on a date with me, and the girl usually says "yes."
Worst things about being a bio-guy...
* Body hair, all of it. I don't have as much as some but it's still a pain. I love how I feel after I get rid of it, but it's back within days, *sigh*.
* Male expectations, specifically not conforming to them. This has been an issue all my life -- for the most part I just don't like doing the things that guys do, or playing the role that guys are supposed to play. I used to be able to say that at least I had video games to count me as male, but now everyone plays video games (even old people!).
* Lately, the stuff between my legs. I'd read before that a lot of TG/TS people feel intense disgust towards theirs and I never felt that, but now that I'm looking at things from the practical standpoint (M => F) it's just in the way.
* Ugly man face. I don't think I look that bad as a guy, but the more I picture how I want to look, the more frustrated I am with how I do look. On the bright side, I didn't even know FFS was possible before, so hopefully I won't be stuck with it forever.
* Someone else said this, but boring man clothes. They're so boring.
Well apart from saying the whole package if there's just one thing I'd have to say the skeletal structure. Everything else I feel I can overcome, can't do anything about them bones though.
Everything that comes with the being a Bio-Male
except the anger part
I think for me the most aweful thing is being expected to communicate through grunts. "'sup" "yo" ugh.
Physically speaking I would definitely vote body hair, especially in peculiar places like the back. I mean, seriously, gross.
Quote from: Hannah on February 10, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
Physically speaking I would definitely vote body hair, especially in peculiar places like the back. I mean, seriously, gross.
And, how to shave it? I trust my wife, but I'm not sure I want her shaving my back. But, I certainly don't trust myself to drag a razor across my own back. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
being distrusted by males and females.
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 10, 2009, 04:43:54 PM
being distrusted by males and females.
ya mean being seen as if you have ulterior motives?
yes.. my presence implies a wish to compete or mate or control - but never to connect. Till we get talking, then people find themselves telling me things they don't tell anyone else... i've heard that so many times...Or is that something people say to create intimacy, that they've actually told loads of people and told each one they are the only one that knows?
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 10, 2009, 04:56:35 PM
yes.. my presence implies a wish to compete or mate or control - but never to connect. Till we get talking, then people find themselves telling me things they don't tell anyone else... i've heard that so many times...Or is that something people say to create intimacy, that they've actually told loads of people and told each one they are the only one that knows?
maybe. some do mean it when they say such things though.
the thing you hate is one thing i will miss after transition - right now because of my form, i can hug and comfort a strange child or lady in distress and not be seen as odd or dangerous for doing so.
... also i can come on to anyone (and often very strongly) without being seen as a threat or dirty. because i don't have the yoke of negative male stereotypes around my neck.
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on February 10, 2009, 04:33:10 PM
And, how to shave it? I trust my wife, but I'm not sure I want her shaving my back. But, I certainly don't trust myself to drag a razor across my own back. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
I've done it for my lower back -- luckily I don't have upper back hair (gross!). Lower back is pretty easy, the trick is to hold the razor by the cartridge end and not by the handle.
Quote from: Vesper on February 10, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
I've done it for my lower back -- luckily I don't have upper back hair (gross!). Lower back is pretty easy, the trick is to hold the razor by the cartridge end and not by the handle.
Hmmm, I'll have to try that.
Quote from: Nero on February 10, 2009, 05:10:10 PM
maybe. some do mean it when they say such things though.
the thing you hate is one thing i will miss after transition - right now because of my form, i can hug and comfort a strange child or lady in distress and not be seen as odd or dangerous for doing so.
... also i can come on to anyone (and often very strongly) without being seen as a threat or dirty. because i don't have the yoke of negative male stereotypes around my neck.
whilst i can't even smile at a child/baby who is staring at me without provoking suspicion.
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 10, 2009, 05:26:38 PM
whilst i can't even smile at a child/baby who is staring at me without provoking suspicion.
yeah, that does suck. you look so sweet and gentle though.
Quote from: Nero on February 10, 2009, 05:31:19 PM
you look so sweet and gentle though.
the worst kind! :o
Quote from: Pica Pica on February 10, 2009, 05:35:04 PM
the worst kind! :o
It's always the quiet ones.
I was once asked if I was a pedophile while I was waiting to pick up my daughter at a bowling alley for a birthday party. And the word "pedophile" was the word used by the person asking me to account for my presence, as I was a man sitting near a group of 8th grade girls.
I'm sure he was worried about competition.
Quote from: tekla on February 10, 2009, 06:10:01 PM
I'm sure he was worried about competition.
She, not he.
Yes! Totally agree!
Quote from: Goldy on November 18, 2008, 09:35:46 AM
All excellent replies.
I particulary agree with kelley - I am so jealous of the power of a beatiful woman and not being included in their nuturing friendships/clubs.
I also particulary agree with the the points made by Dana W, Kate and Leiandra - being treated like a typical masculine man when deep down you're not.
Not being able to wear the wonderful clothing women can wear.
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 18, 2008, 02:44:25 AM
Not being a bio woman. Period. And yes I would love to have them, too.
Janet's quote says it all. I detest bio-guys' aggression, hierarchy, dominance, greed, violence ... shall I go on and on? You get the idea. IMOH, the economic chaos running rampant in the G8 Nations right now (February 2009) is directly a result of the economic system that the most devious, clever and dominant bio-guys have set up over the centuries. Look at all the needless suffering this is causing. It need not be, gals. Female balance and caring is very much needed to right this most egregious of wrongs. Again, just my opinion.
Hugs!
I can never get thru the threads fast enough!
Everyone has already said what I would have said...it's pretty much everything.
Nicole
Quote from: LaceyLynne on February 11, 2009, 03:42:54 PM
Men are the root of violence etc.
I absolutely disagree. Feminine energy is not a universal panacea. I guarantee you a group of girls can have the same amount of hierarchy and every other social ill. Rigid gender stereotypes such as these do more damage than any single gender of sex.
Quote from: debbie j on November 18, 2008, 01:17:03 PM
i HATE being a bio male and EVERYTHING that goes with it !!!
What she said...And more