Okay this isn't something I'm making up in opposition to the HRT shrinking you thread. I'm 20 years old, was 5'2, and swear I've put on an inch.
People have made comments to me and I've noticed the girls who I used to stand eye to eye to I'm looking down at slightly.
It's not bothering me much per-say, I mean I'm so short as is I wouldn't mind an inch or two, I'm just finding it to be in total contradiction to what I was expecting from HRT!
This post is mostly directed at the younger transitioners like myself, anyone else experience any of this?
Well, if you'd not fully matured by the time you started HRT, either it might just be coincidence that you're going through another growth-spurt at the same time, or perhaps the changing hormone balance in your body has precipitated another one.
~Simone.
Quote from: lady amarant on December 04, 2008, 07:54:45 AM
Well, if you'd not fully matured by the time you started HRT, either it might just be coincidence that you're going through another growth-spurt at the same time, or perhaps the changing hormone balance in your body has precipitated another one.
Meh.
I'm 20 years old.
I kind of doubt I'd be hitting up another growth spurt this late...?
WHERE IS KIERRA?
You keep growing till around the age of 25. Plenty left. :P
~Simone.
Quote from: lady amarant on December 04, 2008, 08:02:19 AM
You keep growing till around the age of 25. Plenty left. :P
~Simone.
Well, did YOU get any taller on HRT?
Quote from: Annwyn on December 04, 2008, 08:05:47 AM
Well, did YOU get any taller on HRT?
I only started at 28. :(
~Simone.
Am I like the youngest transitioner on this site or something?
:( ???
Hi Annwyn...
you probably remember that i wrote on "shrinking topic" some time ago and that some sort of conclusion was that people may or may not lose bit of height, but it all varies greatly.
What brought me to think about my height again was the fact that i have heared from a trans friend of mine who strted HRT when she was 22 and is 25 now that she actually grew one inch taller and went from 6'1'' to 6'2'' as she started HRT. She said she thinks hormones might have caused that.
But she also had very late male puberty, so it is possible that gorwth spurt just hit her that late. On the other hand i am also 20, and on HRT and haven't noticed height increase. For me it didn't happen since 16-17 when i went from 6' to 6'1'' and that stayed the same for few years now. So to have some late gorwth spurt probably is posible but depends more on your own personal history so to say it. If your height reamined constant in your late teens for a period of several years that to expect growing taller now, (+estrogen, which promotes bone maturation, if it hasn't happened already) is not possible or maybe very unlikely and very little height increase is to be expected.
I started growing late and did not stop til' I was about 25, with a period where I stopped in the middle.
Late growth spurts do happen. I had a spurt at 27, and my mom said my dad did the same thing.
Spironolactone is known to increase height. Maybe you should switch to something like androcur or something?
Quote from: Gracie FAISE on December 04, 2008, 10:03:20 PM
Spironolactone is known to increase height. Maybe you should switch to something like androcur or something?
Who the heck do you get your information from?
Quote from: Gracie FAISE on December 04, 2008, 10:03:20 PM
Spironolactone is known to increase height. Maybe you should switch to something like androcur or something?
I don't doubt it cause its a powerful chemical, but I'd love to see the sources on this... Thats just, odd.
QuoteSpironolactone is known to increase height. Maybe you should switch to something like androcur or something?
Is this really true? WTF?
O_o
>_<
Eeeeek! Must. Destroy. Spironolactone. NOW!!!
~Simone.
Okay, time for the pharmacy student to step in here:
Spironolactone does NOT cause you to gain any increases in height.
It was used in a study in conjunction with another steroid inhibitor on boys who had a condition best described as that from an age of 1-3 years old, they had so much testosterone their growth was entirely stunted.
To that effect, blocking testosterone in these boys who now aged around 10 years old, 5.7mg/kg bodyweight, it's no surprise that this normalized their growth.
That is the only known incident of spironolactone causing an increase in height. Whatever you've heard off those non-educated parrots on those TG YAHOO and MSN groups have said some things that are simply outrageous, such as too much estrogen being converted to testosterone, a chemically impossible feat, or many others and them all thinking they're the perfect doctor for you with their cashier job 9-5, it's aggravating.
Spironolactone does not cause an increase in height unless an effect of too much testosterone directly stunts it.
Furthermore Aldactone is not a strong chemical. I mean, the therapeutic effective dose in transsexuals ranges from 200mg to 800mg, that's a LOT.
Compared to a drug such as Sulnar or Altace, or even better for you guys Ethinylestradiol or many others where therapeutic theshold is measured in micrograms, spironolactone is nothing.
Cant say i'd ever heard of spiro giving growth problems either. Not that it would work on me anyway, i just decided to stop growing aged 15.
Quote from: Vanna on December 05, 2008, 08:48:00 AM
Cant say i'd ever heard of spiro giving growth problems either. Not that it would work on me anyway, i just decided to stop growing aged 15.
It was 13 for me...
Er.
Was.
Things that may cause growing while on HRT:
1. Too much estrogen, causing a countersurge of T by your friendly testes
2. Normal growth. Yes, you do keep growing until you're 25 or so.
3. Wishful thinking (on short people)
LMAO Jane
i spent my whole childhood and teenage years counting on No3
Quote from: soldierjane on December 05, 2008, 09:04:18 AM
1. Too much estrogen, causing a countersurge of T by your friendly testes
Impossible. Learn a bit about your endocrine system.
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3. Wishful thinking (on short people)
LULZ that's funny.
Quote from: Annwyn on December 05, 2008, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: soldierjane on December 05, 2008, 09:04:18 AM
1. Too much estrogen, causing a countersurge of T by your friendly testes
Impossible. Learn a bit about your endocrine system.
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3. Wishful thinking (on short people)
LULZ that's funny.
Well, estrogen HRT making you TALLER is quite a difficult one too Ms. I-know-all-about-the-endocrine-system. Then again, everything's possible in the Twilight Zone, ain't it?
Quote from: Annwyn on December 05, 2008, 08:39:10 AM
Okay, time for the pharmacy student to step in here:
Spironolactone does NOT cause you to gain any increases in height.
It was used in a study in conjunction with another steroid inhibitor on boys who had a condition best described as that from an age of 1-3 years old, they had so much testosterone their growth was entirely stunted.
To that effect, blocking testosterone in these boys who now aged around 10 years old, 5.7mg/kg bodyweight, it's no surprise that this normalized their growth.
That is the only known incident of spironolactone causing an increase in height. Whatever you've heard off those non-educated parrots on those TG YAHOO and MSN groups have said some things that are simply outrageous, such as too much estrogen being converted to testosterone, a chemically impossible feat, or many others and them all thinking they're the perfect doctor for you with their cashier job 9-5, it's aggravating.
Spironolactone does not cause an increase in height unless an effect of too much testosterone directly stunts it.
Furthermore Aldactone is not a strong chemical. I mean, the therapeutic effective dose in transsexuals ranges from 200mg to 800mg, that's a LOT.
Compared to a drug such as Sulnar or Altace, or even better for you guys Ethinylestradiol or many others where therapeutic theshold is measured in micrograms, spironolactone is nothing.
Woah, slow down. There are far too many variables in play to blame the Spiro. For example
normally excess testosterone would be converted by the body into estrogen. So I think posting this is a great diservice to the community.
Quote from: soldierjane on December 05, 2008, 09:04:18 AM
Things that may cause growing while on HRT:
1. Too much estrogen, causing a countersurge of T by your friendly testes.
Although excess T is converted into estrogen, the opposite does NOT happen, that is a trans MYTH!
In case you didn't get that
Excess estrogen is NOT converted into testosterone! That is a trans myth!!!As far as increasing height, like others said many genetic males continue to add height into the mid 20's, whereas most genetic females are done growing many years earlier (16-18).
is it possible you're feeling better about yourself and thus standing taller?
Quote from: Annwyn on December 04, 2008, 10:58:16 AM
Am I like the youngest transitioner on this site or something?
:( ???
I started hrt at 19... i lost an inch or two, then gained it back of late....
im afraid its natural growth anwynn... you do get growth spurts in the early 20s...
Quote from: iFindMeHere on December 05, 2008, 09:45:28 PM
is it possible you're feeling better about yourself and thus standing taller?
I stood with a taller physique when I was 40 pounds heavier in muscle.
Genetics aside, but isn't oestrogen supposed to promote bone maturation, so that the part of bone that is still gorwing "closes" and no further height gain is possible? Thats why girls finish growth much sooner than men, right? Or height gain has smth to do with beeing XX or XY?
Quote from: Annwyn on December 05, 2008, 08:39:10 AM
Okay, time for the pharmacy student to step in here:
Spironolactone does NOT cause you to gain any increases in height.
It was used in a study in conjunction with another steroid inhibitor on boys who had a condition best described as that from an age of 1-3 years old, they had so much testosterone their growth was entirely stunted.
To that effect, blocking testosterone in these boys who now aged around 10 years old, 5.7mg/kg bodyweight, it's no surprise that this normalized their growth.
That is the only known incident of spironolactone causing an increase in height. Whatever you've heard off those non-educated parrots on those TG YAHOO and MSN groups have said some things that are simply outrageous, such as too much estrogen being converted to testosterone, a chemically impossible feat, or many others and them all thinking they're the perfect doctor for you with their cashier job 9-5, it's aggravating.
Spironolactone does not cause an increase in height unless an effect of too much testosterone directly stunts it.
Furthermore Aldactone is not a strong chemical. I mean, the therapeutic effective dose in transsexuals ranges from 200mg to 800mg, that's a LOT.
Compared to a drug such as Sulnar or Altace, or even better for you guys Ethinylestradiol or many others where therapeutic theshold is measured in micrograms, spironolactone is nothing.
Yeah, not to mention Spiro alone causes bone problems and not bone growth.