Rick Warren: gays are immature and slutty
Filed by: Michael Crawford
December 20, 2008 9:30 AM
http://www.bilerico.com/2008/12/rick_warren_gays_are_immature_and_slutty.php (http://www.bilerico.com/2008/12/rick_warren_gays_are_immature_and_slutty.php)
Despite his Mr. Rogers-like public persona, it is increasingly clear that Rick Warren is nothing less than professional anti-gay James Dobson in a cardigan sweater.
Check out this clip of Warren being interviewed by Ann Curry on the Today Show about his views on gay people:
Why did Obama select this ass?
Despite Warren's progressive image and focus on social issues, he is closely aligned with conservative evangelical viewpoints. On the eve of the 2004 presidential election, Warren sent an email[13] to the Saddleback Church congregation telling them that there were five non-negotiable issues that should determine their vote:
What does each candidate believe about abortion and protecting the lives of unborn children?
What does each candidate believe about using unborn babies for stem-cell harvesting?
What does each candidate believe about homosexual marriage?
What does each candidate believe about human cloning?
What does each candidate believe about euthanasia - the killing of elderly and invalids?
Warren has stated that homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right, and should not be tolerated,[14] and that civil unions are not a civil right.[15] In a conversation with Sam Harris for Newsweek, Warren also spoke out against evolution and in favor of creationism, and compared atheists to Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot.[16] Asked about the difference between himself and Focus on the Family president James Dobson, Warren claimed that "it's a matter of tone."[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren#Conservative_views (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren#Conservative_views)
The question is can both Warren and gays compromise and live together?
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 01:24:11 PM
The question is can both Warren and gays compromise and live together?
I think that's a
no - and they shouldn't even try. Compromise isn't inherently a good thing.
Then let them fight to the death.
Quotecompromise is impossible
I do not think so. If the church could accept homosexuality as being normal sexual behavior and gays would accept sexual behavior as a private thing both could get along.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 02:15:46 PM
Quotecompromise is impossible
I do not think so. If the church could accept homosexuality as being normal sexual behavior and gays would accept sexual behavior as a private thing both could get along.
And gays are having sex out on the streets?
Quote from: Emme on December 20, 2008, 02:08:59 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 01:24:11 PM
The question is can both Warren and gays compromise and live together?
That requires concessions from both sides. Since it is highly unlikely that Warren, and those who believe as he does, will ever concede on anything for the LGBT community, compromise is impossible.
I think so too. Their core belief is that being gay (or trans, of course) is categorically wrong... there's no discussing it, really. They want gays not just not to marry, they want gays to stop being gay which we know is not possible or desirable for the people involved. I'm afraid the best thing we can achieve is an armed truce or a cold war :-/
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 01:38:01 PM
Then let them fight to the death.
I'd prefer to see another word beginning with the letter
F in place of the one you chose.
QuoteTheir core belief is that being gay (or trans, of course) is categorically wrong... there's no discussing it, really.
That is not exactly right, that is an extreme. What they have a problem with is public display of affection and being hit on is an embarrassment to them and their children that they hope will reproduce. Many people want their children to be a carbon copy of themselves and censor anything that might conflict with their ideas.
Quote from: Emme on December 20, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: Rebis on December 20, 2008, 02:27:32 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 01:38:01 PM
Then let them fight to the death.
I'd prefer to see another word beginning with the letter F in place of the one you chose.
You want to see them flatulate to the death? That's just nasty Rebis.
:laugh: :laugh:
I hadn't thought of that. Now I'm embarrassed. It is nasty.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
QuoteTheir core belief is that being gay (or trans, of course) is categorically wrong... there's no discussing it, really.
That is not exactly right, that is an extreme. What they have a problem with is public display of affection and being hit on is an embarrassment to them and their children that they hope will reproduce. Many people want their children to be a carbon copy of themselves and censor anything that might conflict with their ideas.
And that's right or reasonable? Mature people, when they are hit on by someone they don't like, they just ignore it. They will get the message.
QuoteAnd that's right or reasonable? Mature people, when they are hit on by someone they don't like, they just ignore it. They will get the message.
No it is an insult to have someone question your sexuality. I guess it is a culture thing that gays just do not get.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 02:33:44 PM
QuoteAnd that's right or reasonable? Mature people, when they are hit on by someone they don't like, they just ignore it. They will get the message.
No it is an insult to have someone question your sexuality. I guess it is a culture thing that gays just do not get.
Eh.. grow up? Realize that being gay is not a germ that someone that hits on you can infect you with? Teach your children that there are different people who do different things in the world and that we aren't all little eggs lined up in a carton? Expand your horizons?
(Not "you" lisagurl, "you" them)
For the record, I've been hit on by several girls (as a girl) and I've never been offended even though I'm straight. Because I'm quite sure of who I am.
QuoteI'm sorry, but I don't agree with your statement, and this is why. They aren't trying to make laws again PDAs. They're trying to keep people from being employed, from marrying, and they even want to make private sexual acts illegal. The key word in that is private.
No, people go to the extreme for things and settle for less. The facts are that many gays work along side the heterosexual people with no problems till one violates their trust and makes a pass at someone. Of course they are going to over react and shoot for the moon just as gays think it is alright to make the pass and think that it is not an insult worthy of dismissal. Compromise is the key.
QuoteTeach your children that there are different people who do different things in the world and that we aren't all little eggs lined up in a carton? Expand your horizons?
That is not what they want to teach their children. They want their children to be like them. It is a big mistake to tell people what to teach their children, hence war.
The bigger mistake is to even have children
:P
everyone should adopt animals.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 02:40:20 PM
QuoteI'm sorry, but I don't agree with your statement, and this is why. They aren't trying to make laws again PDAs. They're trying to keep people from being employed, from marrying, and they even want to make private sexual acts illegal. The key word in that is private.
No, people go to the extreme for things and settle for less. The facts are that many gays work along side the heterosexual people with no problems till one violates their trust and makes a pass at someone. Of course they are going to over react and shoot for the moon just as gays think it is alright to make the pass and think that it is not an insult worthy of dismissal. Compromise is the key.
How can lesbians and gays take passes from straight people and not erupt in outcry then?
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 02:43:40 PM
QuoteTeach your children that there are different people who do different things in the world and that we aren't all little eggs lined up in a carton? Expand your horizons?
That is not what they want to teach their children. They want their children to be like them. It is a big mistake to tell people what to teach their children, hence war.
But the world
is diverse, that's just the truth. You're talking about tolerating intolerance, which as the oximoron-charged formulation suggests, it's not something that can fly.
How can you compromise with someone who believes you deserve both temporal punishment and eternal damnation for just being attracted to people of the same sex? That's a belief which fosters & excuses evil, and compromising with it is morally corrupt.
These people believe in an invisible person who runs the world, their time is pretty much up.
They're welcome to believe in their invisible person, but that doesn't give them the right to assault, imprison, torture, and murder other people - or kidnap their children to save them.
right to assault, imprison, torture, and murder other people - or kidnap their children to save them.
I doubt if he's on record supporting any of that, even if he thinks so, all he said was that gay people can't join his church, and exactly what's the downside to that?
Quote from: tekla on December 20, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
These people believe in an invisible person who runs the world, their time is pretty much up.
I'm not so certain of that. They are tenacious. Also, you would not expect them to exist in the numbers they do now. Something is wrong. The universe is angry and it's allowing these people to have some level of success. You would think that their inferior genes would exclude them from breeding, nevermind actually infecting others with their loony tunes, and yet somehow they reproduce and spread their culture.
What gives?
Quote from: tekla on December 20, 2008, 03:44:42 PM
right to assault, imprison, torture, and murder other people - or kidnap their children to save them.
I doubt if he's on record supporting any of that, even if he thinks so, all he said was that gay people can't join his church, and exactly what's the downside to that?
Well, if Gay people can't join his church, then how will they be able to worship the Lord Frog at his feet while marveling at the rev's laid back Mr. Rogers persona? Also, isn't precluding gays from his fantastic and heavenly ceremonies giving them no one to turn to in order to learn hetero-ness as the one true way of life?
Oh those poor gay people. Now they are locked out in the wilderness with no mentor to straighten them out.
I'm going to cry. *sob*
QuoteHow can lesbians and gays take passes from straight people and not erupt in outcry then?
Because there is a time and place to make passes. It is not in the work place or public places. They would not go into a gay bar because they do not agree with the culture just as a gay should observe heterosexual culture in their meeting places.
Quotegays are immature and slutty
He is referring to gays believing it is alright to declare open season, anytime, anywhere. A mature person would recognize the proper time and place. I am not saying all gays do this but the numbers are large enough to cause defensive arguments. We can all not determine what other's culture should be but we can respect the things they do in private. I do think that it can work. Just as the middle east culture has practices that go against most western standards but they can live in peace among us.
QuoteWell, if Gay people can't join his church, then how will they be able to worship the Lord Frog at his feet while marveling at the rev's laid back Mr. Rogers persona?
His church is his. Why would you want to go there? You can make your own church. It seems that you can not let his culture practice in their private place.
I was being sarcastic.
QuoteThat's a belief which fosters & excuses evil, and compromising with it is morally corrupt.
People can believe anything they want. It is the action they take on behalf of their beliefs that can be deadly. Beliefs are OK, harming someone is not.
what if I believe that harming someone is okay?
QuoteSo when I'm minding my own business walking down the street, and a carload of males whistle and call out to me, that's perfectly acceptable?
You know as well as I that is "immature and slutty".
Rick Warren would condemn that also. And if he could make it against the law he would. I fact in some places it is against the law.
There is a very large, and very public aspect to gay male culture that advocates and supports large amounts of more or less casual, indiscriminate sex, often in pubic and semi-public places like bathouses, clubs, theaters, and bars. Most large gay areas like Boys Town in Chicago have places that are pretty much set up for crusing and not much more.
Just as heterosexual sex shops are against the law in many places. Their culture as well as many cultures believe sex is a private thing and should not be made public.
QuoteWell, let me know when he gets to the part where I have to walk 3 paces behind the men and not speak unless I'm spoken to.
Try the middle east.
Or a lot of the Orient. It's still like that in many places. In the Mideast, you're often not even going to find women on the streets at all, much less paces behind.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 03:59:19 PM
QuoteWell, if Gay people can't join his church, then how will they be able to worship the Lord Frog at his feet while marveling at the rev's laid back Mr. Rogers persona?
His church is his. Why would you want to go there? You can make your own church. It seems that you can not let his culture practice in their private place.
If that was all he did. These people are not going Amish-like and minding their own business, they try to influence society and culture at large bend to their ideas, and that is the real problem. He can be as much of an idiot delusional bigot as he likes in his "private place" and all his little buddies, but you know this is a much wider movement.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 20, 2008, 04:11:36 PM
Just as heterosexual sex shops are against the law in many places. Their culture as well as many cultures believe sex is a private thing and should not be made public.
This is a straw man honestly. He thinks that
all homosexual behaviour is wrong and should be outlawed, not just the public aspect of it.
Quote
This is a straw man honestly. He thinks that all homosexual behavior is wrong and should be outlawed, not just the public aspect of it.
Just as the gays think it is right and should be public. The compromise is to have all the legal rights but keep it private. Neither side wants to step back from extremes and will fight till one dies.
will fight till one dies
Most things I think just fade away over time, few fight to the death. The old view lingers, like in a shadowland, never quite fully going away, but it just doesn't seem to matter after some point.
Somewhere along the way racism, once a way of life in a lot of the United States just stopped being as functional as it once was. Its still there, but it no longer seems to be a dominating deal. It doesn't matter like it used to.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 22, 2008, 11:28:35 AM
Quote
This is a straw man honestly. He thinks that all homosexual behavior is wrong and should be outlawed, not just the public aspect of it.
Just as the gays think it is right and should be public. The compromise is to have all the legal rights but keep it private. Neither side wants to step back from extremes and will fight till one dies.
What do you mean by "public"? Pride parades? The two little dolls at the top of wedding cakes?
Hi Lisagurl,
Are you Rick Warren in Real Life?
Just wondering. No harm meant. I hope I didn't expose your secret identity.
signed,
Rick Warren's wife.
---> :laugh: <---
Quote from: Rebis on December 22, 2008, 06:17:02 PM
Hi Lisagurl,
Are you Rick Warren in Real Life?
Just wondering. No harm meant. I hope I didn't expose your secret identity.
signed,
Rick Warren's wife.
---> :laugh: <---
The poor guy gets a bad rap from the media. He himself is a media sucker along with all the other shock jocks that are now on the offensive after eight years of defense. Their mouth is bigger than the facts. It needs to be put in perspective. Remember they have only one vote. It is the morons that believe him that are the problem. I suspect his praying bit will not be offensive.
This site is also the other side shock opinion. How about the facts without emotion, we all could benefit.
I'm not having emotions. I don't care if the guy does the inaugural thing.
My meaning was that you seem to be dwelling on the fact that gays want to be public with their displays. And that kind of thing.
I base that on this statement -
Quote from: lisagurl on December 22, 2008, 11:28:35 AM
Just as the gays think it is right and should be public. The compromise is to have all the legal rights but keep it private. Neither side wants to step back from extremes and will fight till one dies.
That is a generalizing statement. There are many gays who like their displays private like there's there's also a number of hets who like their public displays.
The groups should be divided by 'people' who like public displays & 'people' who dislike public displays of affection.
The 'facts' are pretty simple. He believes in an invisible friend, who is his pal, who created and runs the universe. I, on the other hand, think that people who think there is some imaginary person running the universe are kinda insane. If I'm right, and they are insane, then there is no need to go further. Insane persons can not participate in rational debate.
If Rick Warren, or even Obama, or anyone else, somehow thinks that a bunch of nomads, wandering in the desert a few thousand years ago, who could not even as much as describe the rock their ass sat upon, somehow came up with a bunch of rules that are the best guide for people living in the 21st Century, well, what's to talk about?
I think they are seriously insane if they not only have an invisible buddy, but they also do as they believe he would want them to.
Which comes down to "the dog told me to shoot those people"
QuoteThat is a generalizing statement. There are many gays who like their displays private like there's there's also a number of hets who like their public displays.
If you read the whole thread you will see the meaning of public. From sex shops to hitting on people to obnoxious remarks and public nudity and outlandish behavior. No matter straight or gay they and a majority want to keep that behavior off the streets and away from children . It seems that many gays think that equal rights mean that it is open season on sex. It has a time and place as of now it seems a threat to the middle class. They just want public spaces, schools, work places and family entertainment free of sex.
There is a pond area near my house in a national park. It is a gay hangout. I have seen nude gays running out of the woods as the police patrol the area. As did the morning school bus full of children.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 22, 2008, 07:44:07 PM
QuoteThat is a generalizing statement. There are many gays who like their displays private like there's there's also a number of hets who like their public displays.
If you read the whole thread you will see the meaning of public. From sex shops to hitting on people to obnoxious remarks and public nudity and outlandish behavior. No matter straight or gay they and a majority want to keep that behavior off the streets and away from children . It seems that many gays think that equal rights mean that it is open season on sex. It has a time and place as of now it seems a threat to the middle class. They just want public spaces, schools, work places and family entertainment free of sex.
There is a pond area near my house in a national park. It is a gay hangout. I have seen nude gays running out of the woods as the police patrol the area. As did the morning school bus full of children.
What's "many gays"? For that matter, what about all the straight pervs? The fact is that Warren doesn't just want that stuff gone, but he wants gayness gone
period.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 22, 2008, 07:44:07 PM
QuoteThat is a generalizing statement. There are many gays who like their displays private like there's there's also a number of hets who like their public displays.
If you read the whole thread you will see the meaning of public. From sex shops to hitting on people to obnoxious remarks and public nudity and outlandish behavior. No matter straight or gay they and a majority want to keep that behavior off the streets and away from children . It seems that many gays think that equal rights mean that it is open season on sex. It has a time and place as of now it seems a threat to the middle class. They just want public spaces, schools, work places and family entertainment free of sex.
There is a pond area near my house in a national park. It is a gay hangout. I have seen nude gays running out of the woods as the police patrol the area. As did the morning school bus full of children.
I understand this "No matter straight or gay they and a majority want to keep that behavior off the streets and away from children"
but you keep singling out gays like this " It seems that
many gays think that equal rights mean that it is open season on sex. "
My point is that it feels like you're singling out gays. I'm not even disagreeing with you. Just wondering if you are being a little bit one sided in who you complain about.
If gays are running naked thru the woods near you, maybe someone should call a cop. I never have seen gays do anything like that, so my point of view is that gays are no more into public displays than anyone else.
Which comes down to "the dog told me to shoot those people"
The difference between the Son of Sam and Joan of Arc is only a few years and the choice of targets.
QuoteWhat's "many gays"? For that matter, what about all the straight pervs? The fact is that Warren doesn't just want that stuff gone, but he wants gayness gone period.
What I said is compromise is possible. It is only when each side does not see their own extreme that no one is going to accept the other. What people are in fear of is that there is no control on sexual displays and aggressiveness. Just as the Senator was caught in the airport bathroom. The same fears as transsexuals in female bathrooms. People want to be safe from aggressive sexual advances which seems that gay pride wants to do away with that safeness. The fight is not about rights it is about what the majority of the culture deems safe.
Quote from: Rebis on December 22, 2008, 10:58:10 PM
I understand this "No matter straight or gay they and a majority want to keep that behavior off the streets and away from children"
That's right. No holding hands in public. Oh, and while you're at it, no kissing your partner goodbye when they drop you off at work. And for heaven's sake keep your hand off her leg at the family Christmas party.
Why not keep your kids out of those areas?
For one thing I am not taking sides. It is the examples that behavior in this culture is limited regardless of the laws. People are not going to accept others that threaten their safety. Hence the quote "immature and slutty" that is the argument not gay rights. The rights issue is over shadowed by everyday life and the number of personal experiences people have. The best way to achieve legal rights is not to violate people's personal culture. Each should police their comrades in observing the other people's comfort levels, neither side is willing. It is equally frightening for people to make passes at married people be it gay or straight, it puts them in the same light "immature and slutty". It takes some maturity to understand.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 12:10:21 PM
For one thing I am not taking sides. It is the examples that behavior in this culture is limited regardless of the laws. People are not going to accept others that threaten their safety. Hence the quote "immature and slutty" that is the argument not gay rights. The rights issue is over shadowed by everyday life and the number of personal experiences people have. The best way to achieve legal rights is not to violate people's personal culture. Each should police their comrades in observing the other people's comfort levels, neither side is willing. It is equally frightening for people to make passes at married people be it gay or straight, it puts them in the same light "immature and slutty". It takes some maturity to understand.
Rick Warren doesn't say "some gays" or "this behaviour from gays and straights", he doesn't qualify his statement. He also calls gays "unrepentant" and you know what that implies. Again, you're seeking to tolerate intolerance, and usually intolerance wins in those cases (it has more oomph than being nice).
Quotehe doesn't qualify his statement
Lifetime grantee, new and improved, first in its class, etc. The English language allows for much deception people do not want to know the truth.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 12:45:46 PM
Quotehe doesn't qualify his statement
Lifetime grantee, new and improved, first in its class, etc. The English language allows for much deception people do not want to know the truth.
I don't get it. What does this have to do with my preceding statement?
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 12:10:21 PM
The best way to achieve legal rights is not to violate people's personal culture. Each should police their comrades in observing the other people's comfort levels,
So, no walking down the street holding hands, hunh.
QuoteSo, no walking down the street holding hands, hunh.
Be mature, there does not have to be rules and laws, just common sense. Would you flaunt things in front of a Catholic school?
Sure, ain't that the Catholic cathedral up there on the hill, flaunting itself?
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
QuoteSo, no walking down the street holding hands, hunh.
Be mature, there does not have to be rules and laws, just common sense. Would you flaunt things in front of a Catholic school?
Why do you equate being mature with giving in to discrimination? And what do you mean by "flaunt" anyway? Kiss a boy? Kiss a girl? Have sex? Have a drag show?
If you're full-time, should you refrain from even passing by a Catholic school?
QuoteBe mature, there does not have to be rules and laws, just common sense.
QuoteWhy do you equate being mature with giving in to discrimination?
No, I equate offending people being not mature. Everyone discriminates from the cloths you wear to the food you eat. The place you live and the friends you keep. Be aware of your own discrimination before you offend others.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
QuoteBe mature, there does not have to be rules and laws, just common sense.
QuoteWhy do you equate being mature with giving in to discrimination?
No, I equate offending people being not mature. Everyone discriminates from the cloths you wear to the food you eat. The place you live and the friends you keep. Be aware of your own discrimination before you offend others.
Lisa, for some people churches are the equivalent of a huge middle finger to rationality. Does this mean that "common sense" should dictate that people should not build churches? I still don't see the "offending people" part as a valid criterium.
And what? Just because oh yes, no one is perfect I guess, we have to withstand people like Rick Warren equate us with the worst you can imagine? Should I remind you which group started this?
If not 'offending' people is the criteria, then no one would ever do anything, because some people are offended by just about everything.
I'm not going to stop existing just because my existence offends someone. 8)
Quote from: Kaitlyn on December 23, 2008, 02:39:57 PM
I'm not going to stop existing just because my existence offends someone. 8)
Excuse me, but The Rick does not abide.
Yeah, his name is 'rick' the 'P' is silent.
Could someone kindly inform me what exactly is the problem with being immature and slutty?
I rather enjoy it, personally.
Quote from: Vexing on December 23, 2008, 02:52:34 PM
Could someone kindly inform me what exactly is the problem with being immature and slutty?
I rather enjoy it, personally.
I was waiting for someone to say that. My guess was that it'd be either you or Annwyn. ;)
As long as I don't have to pay for it fine. But if you're sitting at home waiting for some government check to feed your litter in a place where the definition of "Total Mass Confusion" = "Father's Day" - then I have some problem with it, as I have a hard time seeing why I should work for those that don't.
Anyway, most people prefer 'mature and slutty' as such people at least have a place to crash as they pay their rent.
Quote from: Kaitlyn on December 23, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: Vexing on December 23, 2008, 02:52:34 PM
Could someone kindly inform me what exactly is the problem with being immature and slutty?
I rather enjoy it, personally.
I was waiting for someone to say that. My guess was that it'd be either you or Annwyn. ;)
I'm guessing I got lucky and saw the thread before her :D
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
QuoteSo, no walking down the street holding hands, hunh.
Be mature, there does not have to be rules and laws, just common sense. Would you flaunt things in front of a Catholic school?
I am being mature. You said, "The best way to achieve legal rights is not to violate people's personal culture. Each should police their comrades in observing the other people's comfort levels." Well, holding hands with my partner in public violates some people's personal culture and is outside their comfort level. And you just said not to do that. Are you now saying you said somthing you didn't mean?
Aside from that, it's not my job to
police my comrades' behavior in public. There are enough right-wing religious people out there doing that already. I'll deal with my own behavior and leave
my comrades to deal with their own.
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
Would you flaunt things in front of a Catholic school?
Sure. It's just a building, like any other building. Catholics being in it doesn't make it special.
QuoteCould someone kindly inform me what exactly is the problem with being immature and slutty?
I rather enjoy it, personally.
So you agree with Rick Warren. Then there is no problem.
This is some enlightening material on this important issue.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0084/0084_01.asp (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0084/0084_01.asp)
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 03:49:56 PM
QuoteCould someone kindly inform me what exactly is the problem with being immature and slutty?
I rather enjoy it, personally.
So you agree with Rick Warren. Then there is no problem.
He also thinks there is nothing wrong with being immature and slutty?
WTF is this thread about then?
::)
Quote from: Vexing on December 23, 2008, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on December 23, 2008, 03:49:56 PM
QuoteCould someone kindly inform me what exactly is the problem with being immature and slutty?
I rather enjoy it, personally.
So you agree with Rick Warren. Then there is no problem.
He also thinks there is nothing wrong with being immature and slutty?
WTF is this thread about then?
::)
Dude's a freaking party animal.
Dude's a freaking party animal.
If it comes to light later that he is, its not exactly breaking that Swaggert, Bakker, Rev. Ted-that-meth-snortin-gay-hooker-using mold is it?
A major problem with the Rick Warrens of the world is that they refuse to hold everyone to the same standards. If they are really against people being immature and slutty, and are holding marriage and monogamy up as the ideals, then why not allow same sex marriage for those who want it!
And thanks, my gender identity/expression isn't immature. Slutty on occasion perhaps, but generally that's in the privacy of my bedroom ;D ;D
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I know. I have the photos. ;)