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Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: Nicky on January 03, 2009, 04:54:10 AM

Title: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 03, 2009, 04:54:10 AM
I've been drinking a lot of coffee recently and that got me thinking - can you taste the slavery in non-fair-trade coffee?

Nothing like the taste of slavery.

Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 03, 2009, 05:15:00 AM
Unless the coffee is made with real africans in it, i doubt you could ever taste the 'slavery'

Not all non fair trade coffee is slavery, its just non fair trade coffee... Plus unlike fair trade, it doesnt taste like watered down packing crate.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Sophie90 on January 03, 2009, 06:12:52 AM
No.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Alyssa M. on January 03, 2009, 07:03:50 AM
Are your Girl Scout cookies made with real Girl Scouts?
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 03, 2009, 07:06:28 AM
I wish the rep system still existed...

that had to be said...
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Eva Marie on January 03, 2009, 11:56:52 PM
Juan Valdez uses slaves  ??? :D
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 04, 2009, 02:18:31 AM
'Everyone has slaves!' Oh wait wrong song...
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 04, 2009, 01:48:39 PM
No, I think you're all wrong. You can taste slavery. It tastes sweet.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 04, 2009, 01:54:37 PM
I do prefer the coffee made from real idonesians... it has a certain tang to it that jamacians cant quite match.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 04, 2009, 01:57:57 PM
Totally  ;D

Etheopian is my brew of choice.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 04, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
soggy or freeze dried? i like mine with floaty bits in it... the odd bodily part..
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 04, 2009, 02:03:48 PM
The crunchier the better I say.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Jaimey on January 04, 2009, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: Alyssa M. on January 03, 2009, 07:03:50 AM
Are your Girl Scout cookies made with real Girl Scouts?

Yes.  >:-)


I enjoy my fair trade coffee...but I'm the one brewing it, so...yeah.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Eva Marie on January 05, 2009, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on January 04, 2009, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: Alyssa M. on January 03, 2009, 07:03:50 AM
Are your Girl Scout cookies made with real Girl Scouts?

Yes.  >:-)

In that case, it makes one wonder what the "chocolate chips" in those cookies are really made of then  :o :D
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Shana A on January 06, 2009, 06:28:29 AM
Quote from: riven_one on January 05, 2009, 10:14:18 PM
In that case, it makes one wonder what the "chocolate chips" in those cookies are really made of then  :o :D

Gee, thanks for ruining chocolate chips for me  :P

Z
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: soldierjane on January 06, 2009, 08:29:15 AM
It tastes kind of sweaty with the occasional caffeine tinge of the lash. Ah! I've never felt whiter!
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 01:02:33 PM
Quote from: soldierjane on January 06, 2009, 08:29:15 AM
It tastes kind of sweaty with the occasional caffeine tinge of the lash. Ah! I've never felt whiter!

good isn't it!
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: soldierjane on January 06, 2009, 02:18:51 PM
It's all in the smell... you can smell not-FAIR coffee and say now THIS is good forced labour and fantastic profit margins. Not like that mamby-pamby FAIR stuff.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 06, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: soldierjane on January 06, 2009, 02:18:51 PM
It's all in the smell... you can smell not-FAIR coffee and say now THIS is good forced labour and fantastic profit margins. Not like that mamby-pamby FAIR stuff.

LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: 6thsomatic on January 12, 2009, 10:33:00 PM
You guys drink coffee?

Freaks...


*Continues eating chocolate covered coffee beans*
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 13, 2009, 03:40:31 AM
The Caffine god demands it...
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Simone Louise on January 13, 2009, 05:50:36 PM
Now you've done it. I don't know what coffee has to do with androgeneity, but I am passionate about both.

For the last three years, I've been roasting my own coffee beans: organic, fair-traded, and kosher. And among the beans I've used are some grown by a co-op of Jewish, Muslim, and Christian farmers in Uganda (the Jewish farmers in this co-op have also produced some super CDs of their own music). The company I buy from sells only fair-traded coffee.

Cutting out the middle man, has given me better tasting coffee at a lower price. Yes, I really can taste the difference freshly roasted beans make. Green coffee beans keep for a long time with no degradation in taste, but roasted beans lose their flavor after a couple of weeks. Roasting is easy, and gives me a little extra control over the taste in my cup.

While I probably can't taste the difference in fair-traded coffee, I like using it for two reasons. It is a painless way to advance my social justice goals. It allows me the rare opportunity to know something about the people who produce the food I consume.

S
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 05:52:28 PM
(all coffee tastes like muck to me)
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Simone Louise on January 13, 2009, 05:59:08 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 05:52:28 PM
(all coffee tastes like muck to me)

For me, it satisfies a craving for bitterness, different but akin to sipping a single-malt scotch. Course, there was a time when I felt drinking beer to be like drinking dirty, soapy dishwater--and said so.

S
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 06:02:50 PM
now, the single malt i'd share...got some llagavullin in the book cupboard.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Simone Louise on January 13, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 06:02:50 PM
now, the single malt i'd share...got some llagavullin in the book cupboard.

I thought you might like it. My wife bought some Aberlour, I hear is pretty good. Haven't had a chance to try it. Nobody to drink with here. We really should get together.

Have you tried coffee with a little grappa?

S
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 13, 2009, 06:59:48 PM
Pica: Heretic!

Simone: Eh? what the hell does coffee have to do with androgynies?
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: NicholeW. on January 13, 2009, 07:06:36 PM
There was a time I loved Laphroaig. Too costly to drink a lot of though. And now, couldn't imagine buying a bottle. Coffee though, androgyny-pertinent of not, is well worthy of connoissseur-ship! :)
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 13, 2009, 06:59:48 PM
Pica: Heretic!

Simone: Eh? what the hell does coffee have to do with androgynies?

this thread happens to be on the androgyne board.

I have not had coffee with grappa, but I do love it with cointreau
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 13, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
Honestly hadnt noticed....
i still stand by the question... what DOES coffee have to do with androynes?
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 07:15:17 PM
no clue...i spose coffee is not a gendered drink.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 13, 2009, 07:17:10 PM
Well, we are a people of slavers for the most part. Fair trade coffee threatens our existance.  ;)

I was attempting to totally shift the direction of topics on the androgyne forum - kind of like a larger scale version of thread drift that us Androgynes seem to be well known for, though in this case it was concious forumfuking.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
fair enough
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Rachael on January 13, 2009, 07:26:38 PM
Coffee is gendered in every language but english ;)
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: NicholeW. on January 13, 2009, 07:31:56 PM
Rachael, in most languages other than English everything is gendered.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Pica Pica on January 13, 2009, 07:33:15 PM
anyway, that's the word. we're talking product.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 13, 2009, 07:37:32 PM
I like coffee. I like tea too. A lot of people that go hunting or work in the New Zealand bush will tell you the best tea is that made using the water from mountain top tarns (kind of like natural depresions where rain water collects). Some say it is the build up of tannins in the water. From my experience I think it is more that by the time you climb up to said tarns anything wet tastes bloody good!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeople.uleth.ca%2F%7Eholzmann%2Fnz%2F6694_tarn_with_Mts_Erebus%2C_Xenicus%2C_Ocean_Peak_%28broad_center%29_and_Emily_Peak.jpg&hash=ea6cfe039f11df9223572a9771cf961acf8ec67a)
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 13, 2009, 08:18:42 PM
Don't forget slave labored chocolate and sugar are extra yummy too.

slave labored mocha with slaved sugar.  The drink good enough to send you to hell.


Off topic:  When I see that photo Rachael, I want to fall down and worship you. At this point, I've only made it to the falling down part.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Jaimey on January 13, 2009, 09:31:35 PM
coffee is delicious.  especially with light vanilla soy milk in it.  Delicious!  except i don't like getting up to make it, so i never drink it.  *lazing about*

:P

speaking of falling down, i would very much like to fall over and sleep right now.  but for some reason, i'm on here looking at all the stuff you young'uns write.  (stop writing so much so i can go to bed :laugh:)
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: tekla on January 13, 2009, 09:42:12 PM
I like my slavery the old fashioned American way, Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Jaimey on January 13, 2009, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: tekla on January 13, 2009, 09:42:12 PM
I like my slavery the old fashioned American way, Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.

OMG.  At Holiday World, which is quite possibly the whitest and most evangelical theme park in the US (but it's cheap and the drinks are free!), they have a toy collection that contains a lot of toys from that time period...very 'mammy'...
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: tekla on January 13, 2009, 09:56:44 PM
quite possibly the whitest and most evangelical theme park in the US

And here I was thinking that was the Republican Convention.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 14, 2009, 08:07:29 AM
what else is slaved?

Diamonds.

Sex - there's a sex slave trade, apparently.  What kind of freak looks a person in the eye as they abuse them?

some clothing is slaved.

So, you can wear sweatshop suits with diamond cuff links while chugging sweetened mocha while somebody's son or daughter pleasures you.  While you pet a puppy mill puppy with one hand while soaking your feet in a bucket of fried caged chicken.

[...and it was then that the ship was boarded by pirates]


In chapter 4, the slaves revolt, but no one tells them when it's supposed to happen.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Alyssa M. on January 14, 2009, 03:23:21 PM
If you want coffee made from beans that that weren't harvested by slaves, you can always go for Kopi Luwak -- then instead of tasting the slavery --  :o
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 14, 2009, 07:27:06 PM
I'm afraid you have missed the point. If we can't taste the slavery then we will not partake at all.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 14, 2009, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: Rebis on January 14, 2009, 07:27:06 PM
I'm afraid you have missed the point. If we can't taste the slavery then we will not partake at all.

I think this is why Pica does not drink it....
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Alyx. on January 14, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on January 13, 2009, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: tekla on January 13, 2009, 09:42:12 PM
I like my slavery the old fashioned American way, Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.

OMG.  At Holiday World, which is quite possibly the whitest and most evangelical theme park in the US (but it's cheap and the drinks are free!), they have a toy collection that contains a lot of toys from that time period...very 'mammy'...
http://www.holidayworld.com/ (http://www.holidayworld.com/)

?

If that is the place, where can I see the whiteness and evangelicalness so I can lul my pants off?

QuoteNo solicitation or unapproved distribution of literature on park property.

O_O
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 14, 2009, 07:57:57 PM
Pica needs to enslave someone and see how enjoyable it is.  Maybe hang out at the docks and shang hai some sailor and force the guy to do Pica's housework.

That's the tase of slavery.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Eva Marie on January 14, 2009, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: Alyssa M. on January 14, 2009, 03:23:21 PM
If you want coffee made from beans that that weren't harvested by slaves, you can always go for Kopi Luwak -- then instead of tasting the slavery --  :o

perhaps the civits were pressed into "service"; thus slavery coffee with a twist. I'll bet they are tired of eating coffee beans. someone, somewhere, has got to look out for the poor, abused civits!
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 14, 2009, 08:05:16 PM
Slavery is supposed to be cheap. That civet poo coffee is anything but cheap.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: tekla on January 14, 2009, 11:10:13 PM
Diamonds are not only salved, but support terrorism.  A real two for one.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Nicky on January 15, 2009, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: tekla on January 14, 2009, 11:10:13 PM
Diamonds are not only salved, but support terrorism.  A real two for one.

I gots ta get me a piece of that action  :icon_2gun:
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: tekla on January 15, 2009, 01:25:41 AM
Diamonds are not only a girl's best friend, but you can use them to crack glass and do great B&E type stuff too.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: V M on January 15, 2009, 02:16:57 AM
If you don't like your coffee or diamonds you can send them to me. I only like espresso and French roast. I do feel for the mistreatment of people who work their tails off for near nothing. I did enough of that myself. That won't stop me from making a cappacino
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 15, 2009, 07:59:23 AM
Quote from: tekla on January 15, 2009, 01:25:41 AM
Diamonds are not only a girl's best friend, but you can use them to crack glass and do great B&E type stuff too.

You appear to be the mentor we've been searching for all our lives.


    Sometimes I sell my house and buy as many blood diamonds as possible then throw them into the sea so that I can buy another batch (after working 20 years to own another house).
    I'm not a fool, however. I take the time to taste the blood and sweat and suffering by completely licking each diamond.

You should see my tongue.   :P   see?
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: soldierjane on January 16, 2009, 08:40:05 PM
Quote from: tekla on January 13, 2009, 09:42:12 PM
I like my slavery the old fashioned American way, Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.

*has a bite of delicious Coon Chicken*
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Jaimey on January 17, 2009, 12:23:21 AM
Quote from: Heartwood on January 14, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
If that is the place, where can I see the whiteness and evangelicalness so I can lul my pants off?
O_O

It's more scary than funny... :icon_suspicious:  There was a girl working there named "Rapture".  So weird.  But we keep going back...

Quote from: Rebis on January 15, 2009, 07:59:23 AM
You should see my tongue.   :P   see?

Since your licking blood diamonds, does that make you like some kind of bling-hungry vampire?
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 17, 2009, 11:02:04 AM

Maybe, but I'll lick anything that has touched a slave.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Mr. Fox on January 17, 2009, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 13, 2009, 07:26:38 PM
Coffee is gendered in every language but english ;)

It's not gendered in Swahili, either.  And there are many other languages without genders.
Sorry, word nerd here.
Adrian
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Jaimey on January 17, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
Quote from: Rebis on January 17, 2009, 11:02:04 AM

Maybe, but I'll lick anything that has touched a slave.

*Heads to the shed where the slaves are kept*  :o

Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 17, 2009, 02:19:02 PM

... Must... taste... slavery
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Eva Marie on January 18, 2009, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: Rebis on January 17, 2009, 02:19:02 PM

... Must... taste... slavery

on the surface, that statement comes across as rather.....  kinky  :D
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 18, 2009, 12:27:57 PM

I dare you to tie me up and say that to me.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: tekla on January 18, 2009, 12:37:09 PM
Bad Rebis, you need a spanking
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Shana A on January 18, 2009, 01:09:51 PM
Quote from: tekla on January 18, 2009, 12:37:09 PM
Bad Rebis, you need a spanking

And let me guess who wants to do the spanking  ;)

Z
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 18, 2009, 05:07:42 PM

Oh no. I may need Daniel Webster to get me out of this one.
Title: Re: Can you taste the slavery?
Post by: Jaimey on January 18, 2009, 06:44:24 PM
:icon_bat:  'whip it!  whip it good!'  :icon_eyebrow: