personally i want to be a size zero and i was at one point but working my way down to that again lol
what is ur opinion on size zero too unhealthy or perfect, etc.
Sounds rather unhealthy to me emoboi, especially for someone with a known eating disorder. Keep well emoboi - that is the most important thing.
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Alice
My little sister is a size 0-1 on her own (she eats like a horse but has a thyroid problem). For her, it looks good. She's also not very tall to begin with. What size you're healthy at all depends on your own body type. Honestly, from your profile pic, you look fine as you are. I'd have guessed you for at MOST a size 2. I'm a size 7. I'll never healthily be a size 0, and I'm comfortable with that. I could MAYBE get down to a size 5. Do I care if I do? Not really. I don't think a size 0 would be healthy for you, though, from the looks AND sounds of things.
unhealthy. and uneasy on the eyes. don't go there, emo.
EXTREMELY unhealthy.. Sick.. Ill.. Disgusting..
Please don't go there buddy..
Jay
I think it's too unhealthy, personally. :-\ I've seen a pair of size 0 jeans. When I saw them, they honestly scared me. 99% of the population cannot be healthy at the weight necessary for a size 0, which is why it's scary.
Health is always most attractive, emoboi. Aim for health. :) I've seen people rock size 14 because they were healthy.
You should watch that documentary "The Truth about Size Zero"...
It's scary what people put themselves through to get to that size.
I used to know several "size zero people" before; they carried their toothbrush everywhere they went and "used" it after each meal...not exactly to brush their teeth of course ::).
One thing is certain...that size zero's only exist in female bodied people who are not just skinny but TINY all over. The thing is that the term "zero" implies "nothing" which is something you may want to explore further. Is it your goal to be regarded as zero/as close to nothing as possible?
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Tink on March 16, 2009, 07:09:45 PM
I used to know several "size zero people" before; they carried their toothbrush everywhere they went and "used" it after each meal...not exactly to brush their teeth of course ::).
One thing is certain...that size zero's only exist in female bodied people who are not just skinny but TINY all over. The thing is that the term "zero" implies "nothing" which is something you may want to explore further. Is it your goal to be regarded as zero/as close to nothing as possible?
tink :icon_chick:
Very good sense in that post.
Nichole
Okay, ya know, emo, I feel for you, I really do. Your brain is telling you you're too fat, even though in reality, you're not... in reality, you're killing yourself via eating disorder.
So I'm sorry, but I gotta say something I ordinarily wouldn't, because it's a little mean... but maybe that's the only way to get through.
SIZE ZERO IS A WOMEN'S SIZE. Men do not wear "size zero." A women's size zero has a 23-inch waist, if we're talking pants, and in case you're not aware, the smallest size men's pants go to is a 28 (inches). There's a reason for that. Guys aren't tiny. Those who are, usually have a big problem with it, and bodybuild to try to bulk up. Men are NOT obsessed with how skinny they are... if anything, most men want to be bigger!
I'm not saying you're not ftm, not a dude, or what have you. But for god's sakes... if only for the fact that you're being a little frickin' girl about your weight, quit it! Get some help! I've been sympathetic before, as have the rest of the guys, but god... just get some help. You're not too skinny, you're not going to be beautiful if you lose 20 lbs... you're going to be dead. And what's the point of that?
SD
QuoteGuys aren't tiny. Those who are, usually have a big problem with it, and bodybuild to try to bulk up.
There is a man at work who goes to the gym EVERYDAY and drinks protein shakes 3 times at work in 7 hours, only eats protein meats. Eats healthy..
I once turned to his partner and said *** looks skinny.. she grasped and said
DO NOT say that to him. He doesn't like it. Apparently he has always been skinny he is like 25 now and he doesn't like it so he pumps iron and exercises a lot and eats/drinks protein to
GAIN weight.. yes I said
GAIN weight! He looks healthy because he has big arms and his chest is big.. but his waist is still small as there isn't really that much he can do about it..
I have never met a REALLY skinny man who liked his size.. or a man who wished to be REALLY skinny because.. men are portrayed to be either muscle bound or heroes.. and I am sorry I just don't know a
Size zero hero.. who is male..
I agree 100% with what Seb said. Dude you really need to start listening to someone.. I over eat that is my problem I replace my emotions with food.. and its not good but I can still control it.
The only advice I can give you is that you need to
LISTEN and
TRY to take it in.
Jay
Guys bulk up, not slim down.
A guy who looks like he came out of a concentration camp is not sexy. On top of that, for guys, weight is FAR less important than for women. A guy can put on 5-10 pounds and no one will even notice. Stop this insane quest, be healthy, your size is irrelevant.
Never judge yourself based on the size you wear, but how you wear your size.
Unhealthy. Yeah it looks too skinny but from a simple health standpoint it is unhealthy. You should go to a doctor and see how it affecting your health. I know its probably hard in so many ways.
here is to good health!
Myles
I have to agree with what everyone has said. Size zero doesn't look good on women let alone on guys.
Quote from: Leslie Ann on March 16, 2009, 09:01:34 PMNever judge yourself based on the size you wear, but how you wear your size.
I love this quote btw!
Guys do get anorexia and get fixated on being skinny. It's not any healthier for guys than it is for girls, but obsession with being then is *not* a women-only problem.
Quote from: Sebastien on March 16, 2009, 07:20:34 PM
Okay, ya know, emo, I feel for you, I really do. Your brain is telling you you're too fat, even though in reality, you're not... in reality, you're killing yourself via eating disorder.
So I'm sorry, but I gotta say something I ordinarily wouldn't, because it's a little mean... but maybe that's the only way to get through.
SIZE ZERO IS A WOMEN'S SIZE. Men do not wear "size zero." A women's size zero has a 23-inch waist, if we're talking pants, and in case you're not aware, the smallest size men's pants go to is a 28 (inches). There's a reason for that. Guys aren't tiny. Those who are, usually have a big problem with it, and bodybuild to try to bulk up. Men are NOT obsessed with how skinny they are... if anything, most men want to be bigger!
I'm not saying you're not ftm, not a dude, or what have you. But for god's sakes... if only for the fact that you're being a little frickin' girl about your weight, quit it! Get some help! I've been sympathetic before, as have the rest of the guys, but god... just get some help. You're not too skinny, you're not going to be beautiful if you lose 20 lbs... you're going to be dead. And what's the point of that?
SD
there ARE boys/men with eating disorders 10% of men have eating disorders http://www.something-fishy.org/cultural/issuesformen.php (http://www.something-fishy.org/cultural/issuesformen.php) and i do compare myself to women/girls on are they skinnier than i am but it doesnt have anything to do with there gender and i do wear womens/girls clothes mostly so yea
actually some guys/unisex pants do go lower than 28 (inches) and maybe i am being a girl about my weight but i mean so what
and im getting all jumbled what i want to say so i will just stop at that
Honey, why do you want to be size zero?
Quote from: Vesper on March 16, 2009, 09:12:40 PM
Guys do get anorexia and get fixated on being skinny. It's not any healthier for guys than it is for girls, but obsession with being then is *not* a women-only problem.
QFT.. guys, I think I know what you're trying to do but I don't think teasing him about being girly about his weight or whatever is going to help.
Size 0 or 2 makes me throw up in my mouth a bit (unless the person is under four-and-a-half feet tall).
because size zero is perfect to me and thin
thin=beautiful to me so of course i want to be thin
Quote from: emoboi on March 16, 2009, 10:42:56 PM
because size zero is perfect to me and thin
thin=beautiful to me so of course i want to be thin
did this start in puberty, buddy? are you trying to diet off curves or something?
oh and ive seen the truth about size zero and i kind of do some of those things
Post Merge: March 16, 2009, 09:54:28 PM
oh where to start um i remember when i was 11 i think after school was out so during summer i think i lose 15 to 20 lbs bringing my weight to um 111 lbs and im the same height i am now as i was then i think lol 5 5 i dont really remember why i stopped eating as much but it was prob because i was fat and around that time was when i got depressed so and its just been a problem ever since then but i started puberty at 9 so i dont know yea
i used to cut around 13-16 but ive stopped that so i guess thats good lol
i just see myself as discusting and fat and ugly all the bad things possible
Post Merge: March 16, 2009, 10:55:38 PM
darn it lol, no i dont like curves and i would like them gone so i guess thats part of it
Dude. Size "0" is ugly. It's emaciated and a walking skeleton. It's disgusting. So where you get it's beautiful, I don't know. You need to talk to a therapist about this.
A size 5 is thin. A size 0 is a walking skeleton if you're not small enough to actually have meat on the body.
Your body, my body, all bodies have a genetic code telling it about how big it wants to be, its tough to fight it. Going below it is dangerous, and everyone knows it.
If 10% of males have an eating disorder, I'll bet its almost all OVER rather than UNDER indulgence.
Actually, Tekla, a lot of athletes follow the same techniques as girls to get thin. Especially male wrestlers (high school wrestlers), boxers, jockeys, gymnasts, male dancers....
My 10th grade bio teacher was one such and said it wasn't uncommon for others on his wrestling team to purge, etc.
Quote from: krptcmschfmkr128 on March 16, 2009, 11:24:04 PM
Actually, Tekla, a lot of athletes follow the same techniques as girls to get thin. Especially male wrestlers (high school wrestlers), boxers, jockeys, gymnasts, male dancers....
My 10th grade bio teacher was one such and said it wasn't uncommon for others on his wrestling team to purge, etc.
They don't do it for looks or clothing size, they do it to have an advantage in lower weight classes.
I certainly wasn't trying to tease... not in the slightest. It's simply a matter of trying everything to get the guy to realize that what he's doing is quite harmful to himself.
I am more than aware that guys have eating disorders... one of my best friends (male) is bulimic, and it's killing him, literally.
I'm sorry, but I don't want to see that ever happen to anyone else.
SD
Do you find other people who are walking skeletons attractive? Not many others do. I dunno, dude, but weight obsession does seem more a female thing, and I'm not taunting you with that, I'm just saying. And skinny guys are way uglier than skinny girls. And skinny girls are not attractive at all to me. Eat food and go to the gym imo. You want to obsess about body shape, put some muscle on.
Dennis
So, I went to a therapeutic boarding school (long story) where a lot of people had eating disorders / weight fixation issues. The first thing you learn about talking to someone with an eating disorder / body image problem (as in weight as opposed to gender) is that trying to convince them how illogical their desire to be skinny is doesn't ever work. Eating disorders / weight fixations have exactly nothing to do with food or weight. These things are symptoms of underlying issues, and the best way to address them is to deal with those issues (which of course involves figuring out what those issues are). I'm skeptical about how much of that can be accomplished on an internet forum, but I recommend that if we want to help emoboi, talking about how unhealthy size zero is really isn't going to be productive or helpful.
It's probably not good to be that thin. My metabolism is high so eating alot is needed. A very high percentage of americans are overweight and many are considered morbidly obese. So I guess some one has to balance the scale. No pun intended.
i do try to eat but i just dont like eating much
lol thats probably why i see a therapist but imo its not really doing anything but it is nice to have someone to talk to
Good to know you are seeing a therapist even if it's just to have someone to talk to.
Myles
Emo, is it possible that you've developed anorexia (and yes, that's what it's sounding like) as a way of trying to control a body you feel uncomfortable in? i mean being trans and all.
Quote from: Dennis on March 17, 2009, 02:14:12 AM
Do you find other people who are walking skeletons attractive? Not many others do. I dunno, dude, but weight obsession does seem more a female thing, and I'm not taunting you with that, I'm just saying. And skinny guys are way uglier than skinny girls. And skinny girls are not attractive at all to me. Eat food and go to the gym imo. You want to obsess about body shape, put some muscle on.
Dennis
'tis true, Dennis. Some do it for weight-class and others just to remain "thin." There was a time when the anorexic/bulemic problem was normally a female one. Now it seems about as prevalent with one sex as with the other. And the boys seem to have gotten the idea through athletics.
Ther was an interesting study done some while ago, in the eighties I think, maybe a bit later than that, that took a group of college athletes, male, and consistently provided them with a barrage of body-image propaganda about being overweight and undesireable and stressing that thinness was beautifu;.
Guess what. The guys within a month or two had begun to "act" like the provedbial girls. They too stressed over weight, developed anorexic and bulemic methods of coping. So much so that the experiment had to be discontinued for health reasons to the subjects. It was presented last year in my last Women's Issues class as a cautionary tale type of thingy.
Quote from: Nero on March 17, 2009, 01:50:18 PM
Emo, is it possible that you've developed anorexia (and yes, that's what it's sounding like) as a way of trying to control a body you feel uncomfortable in? i mean being trans and all.
I suspect that you've put a finger on the difficulty, Nero.
Nichole
Quote from: Dennis on March 17, 2009, 02:14:12 AM
Do you find other people who are walking skeletons attractive? Not many others do. I dunno, dude, but weight obsession does seem more a female thing, and I'm not taunting you with that, I'm just saying. And skinny guys are way uglier than skinny girls. And skinny girls are not attractive at all to me. Eat food and go to the gym imo. You want to obsess about body shape, put some muscle on.
Dennis
Girls are far less concerned about how a guy looks, than guys (and girls) are about how a girl looks.
Without getting into much detail here, all I am going to say is this: as someone who once was very
naive stupid and fought some of the same dragons as you, Emoboi, I urge you to say no to the size zero.
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xeOQg0Yjwg&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xeOQg0Yjwg&feature=related#)
And not to sound too critical or anything, but before attempting to become a "size zero" or "any size" that can endanger your life, perhaps you should consider seeing a therapist who specializes in eating disorders. I mean, really, this is not a game, and I am under the impression that you aren't aware of the severity of the situation you are in.
tink :icon_chick:
Tink's right, love.
You might try a google search that says "eating disorder clinics ... (Fill in your state) and search. This isn't something you want to play around with, neither is your self-image.
Nichole
Quote from: emoboi on March 16, 2009, 06:10:36 PM
personally i want to be a size zero and i was at one point but working my way down to that again lol
what is ur opinion on size zero too unhealthy or perfect, etc.
For long pants, I usually wear size 6, which is comfortable to me. For short pants or capris, size 4 is a little bit bigger for me and I usually wear size 2, because I have smaller hip than GG. For skirts, I sometimes wear size 0. My waist is about 26 inch, and height is about 6 feet. I think there is an inflation factor in women's sizing, especially in the U.S. I am a big eater, and my waist usually becomes 28 inch just after finishing dinner.
My waist: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=media;id=941 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=media;id=941)
Barbie~~
I'm size 00, double zero. I eat a lot, and it's mostly fatty or sugary too, so I'm honestly surprised I've stayed so thin. I'm sure I'll even out in my twenties and suddenly balloon up, but I'm content to stuff myself until the time comes. I'd be happy to be bigger, I think I'm too thin now. So I guess I'm on the other end of the scale than emoboi.
omg, well u can have my jean size and i can have urs kk
I've met girls who are about a size zero and they still want to lose weight. I've told them bluntly that they're too thin to be attractive already, that their bones creeped me out. They still kept talking about how they wanted to be thinner.
I don't think it's about being attractive, but I really don't know what it's about.
Look at Nicole Richie
http://www.theblogyoulovetohate.com/nicole-richie-malibu-august-12-2006/ (http://www.theblogyoulovetohate.com/nicole-richie-malibu-august-12-2006/)
I don't see how any man or woman can be attracted to that. It's disgusting!
And what will happen when you hit size zero?
Will you really be happy?
Your size is probably not the real issue, and once you hit size zero there is a very real chance you will begin to think that is no longer good enough either.
i know it wont make me happy but i think it will make me more content
It won't, though. That's the thing.. once you reach 0 you'll start thinking "If I reach 00, then I'll be content." And on and on. It's like buying things, you think once you have something it'll make you content but there's always something more to move on to. You have to make yourself content, nothing on the outside can do that for you, and if you base your contentedness on something in the future, that future will never actually arrive. What you think you need to be content will always change so it's just out of your grasp. Be content now. :) That's the key.
The thing you gotta get is that you're gonna be you no matter what happens. You'll have the same problems and probably more when you reach your desired size.
What is being super skinny gonna bring you? You'll have a next to nothing diet, feel sick all the time and constantly be worried about gaining any weight. Our bodies naturally change as we get older. Even if you get this weight you won't be able to keep it, or end up killing yourself trying.
I agree with Tam Tam, be content now. ;)
exactly how do i make myself content with my weight/size
if it were that easy to be content i would have done something about it but its not easy to rewire how you think
There are therapies available to help people.. otherwise no one with eating disorders would ever get better. Does your therapist know that you think/feel like this?
yes
Has your therapist suggested anything you can do?
If not, or if it isn't working, seeing a different therapist might be better. Therapy is supposed to help; if it doesn't help, then it's a waste of time and money. :-\
not really havent really focused on that in depth
I used to be a size 0. I feel like it's too small, especially for a guy.
I don't concern myself with the size, but more of the weight, ideally I think 120-130 pounds is awesome (based on 5'7)
The problem is, it's all numbers.
Numbers do not mean you're attractive or not.
Numbers don't tell you whether or not you're healthy.
Numbers mean little at all in this context.
What matters is your health and well being, which requires you to eat right (not too much but sure as heck not too little either) and get a reasonable amount of exercise.
If you starve yourself and wear yourself out trying to fit a number you are not making yourself attractive, you're turning yourself into something highly unattractive.
Chasing numbers is not healthy either. It's an unhealthy obsession.
If you ascribe meaning to numbers that don't mean anything on their own, you'll look about as "rational" as people who talk to walls.
Quote from: Paulina on April 15, 2009, 05:20:54 PM
I don't concern myself with the size, but more of the weight, ideally I think 120-130 pounds is awesome (based on 5'7)
I'm 5'2 and weigh 125, right in between the weights you're thinking. 120-130 isn't the greatest for a 5'7 woman. My best friend is 2" taller than me and weighs about 5lbs more, but she's skinner than me, as far as appearances go. I'd hate to see what that weight looked on someone that 'tall'. 140-145 might be a bit more of a 'healthier' weight.