Sorry if this offends people, but it's been something that's been on my mind since all the news about the face-transplant.
The reason it's been on my mind has to do with discrimination. I mean, the woman didn't need a face transplant for any medical reason other than to feel better about herself, more like the human being she felt she was. Her life wasn't in danger, like somebody getting a kidney transplant.
I'm MtF, so I have no idea how FtM's feel about this, but I understand phalloplasty doesn't work real well.
So, my question is, if it was possible to get a fully functional transplanted penis from a cadaver, would you want it? It seems to me, you should be as eligible for it as the woman who got the face-transplant.
Gina, you might wanna change "cadaver" to "donor." The difference is huge as a cadaver is going to have dead tissue. I cannot imagine anyone wanting dead tissue attached to their body.
And we won't even talk about nerve and muscle attachments to make the "transplant" work on it's new body.
Quote from: GinaDouglas on May 13, 2009, 02:35:24 PM
Sorry if this offends people, but it's been something that's been on my mind since all the news about the face-transplant.
The reason it's been on my mind has to do with discrimination. I mean, the woman didn't need a face transplant for any medical reason other than to feel better about herself, more like the human being she felt she was. Her life wasn't in danger, like somebody getting a kidney transplant.
I'm MtF, so I have no idea how FtM's feel about this, but I understand phalloplasty doesn't work real well.
So, my question is, if it was possible to get a fully functional transplanted penis from a cadaver, would you want it? It seems to me, you should be as eligible for it as the woman who got the face-transplant.
You know what, I've actually thought about this alot. I say yes. It may not happen in my lifetime, but it might be done someday. This could also help men who have deformed or damaged penises.
What part of phalloplasty doesn't work well? Assumed, of course, you're not going to get the exact same results as a bio male.
Re: Would you want a transplant
Me personally, no. The only way I'd ever want a penis is if I was born with one. So, if I had been born right, hell yeah. But a transplant or phallo, no. Not for me. I have heard a couple guys say they wish this kind of thing could be done for us.
Phallo just isn't for me, but I might get a transplant if I had the chance.
Quote from: Nero on May 13, 2009, 03:22:19 PM
I have heard a couple guys say they wish this kind of thing could be done for us.
Yep I am one of those guys. ;D
I am most probably going to get a phallo. But if I could get one from a
donor I
def would.
Jay
Unfortunately transplants have a lot of risks involved wrt rejection and the need to be on anti-rejection drugs life-long make it a no for me. That and the fact that it may not function -- who wants a limp noodle? And I'm assuming the testicles will be silicone implants, as I can't imagine the nuts maintaining function.
If I were younger and the possibility more realistic in my lifetime without side effects, I'd consider it. But I'm not going to risk my life for a cock.
Jay
I don't like the idea of taking someone else's phallus, but if there was a way to grow them using stem cells or something, that would be cool (as long as it wasn't attached to a mouse).
I shudder at the idea of having someone else's wang. I don't want a penis in general anyways, they're weird.
If it was accompanied by a good surgery and could be fully functional then yes I would take a transplant. I would also take someone else's leg, arm or whatever so in my mind why not a penis. (only if it were 6 inches of course hahahaha)
Myles
In a word, no. I've never wanted someone else's anything attached to me. I'll happily take whatever I get from T and leave it at that. :P
Quote from: SilverFang on May 13, 2009, 06:19:40 PM
Made me laugh. Those poor lab mice are subject to all kinds of weird torture. Stem cells I can see happening, but the morals police (religious fanatics) are slowing it down big time. Adult stem cells are very limited.
SilverFang
Read the newest Popular Science. They talk about stem cell research in the U.S. now that the ban's been lifted. Reading all this actually made me wonder if penises could eventually be created using stem cells. The possibility is there- just the technology and knowledge isn't. Yet.
with todays technology, no, i wouldnt want one.
if the transplant could be successful without all of the anti rejection drugs, then probably.
That is one interesting question indeed!
I'd probably do it if it didn't require anti rejection drugs and there was little risk (morally ok, would want the "end result", but there is a very slight and illogical "gross factor" I can't quite shake and would need to resolve first).
I'd be a definate without a second thought for a grown / lab made stem cell option though, even if the cells weren't mine and they were grown like a bunch of bananas on the back of a lab rat :).
I've been thinking about this forever! Cause then MTF's and FTM's could trade parts. Not to be weird.
I definitely would take a transplant if it were possible.
I WILL STEAL YOUR PENIS WHILE YOU SLEEP.
If it were possible and I didn't have to take anti-rejection drugs and it would definitely work, then in a heartbeat. If I had to take anti-rejection drugs, no. I don't feel so dysphoric that I have to risk shortening my life that much. The woman who had a face transplant had to deal with people's reactions to her every day in every situation. Nobody, I would venture to say, saw the real person behind the disfigured face. If I was in her situation, I might take anti-rejection drugs, much like I chose to take T even though I now have assumed a male lifespan estimate. I can't live with people not seeing the real me and treating me as someone else.
But what's in my pants mostly stays in my pants, so I can live with being different there until or unless there's a real alternative with risks I'm willing to accept. Stem cell transplant, I would do.
Dennis
Quote from: Radar on May 13, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Read the newest Popular Science. They talk about stem cell research in the U.S. now that the ban's been lifted. Reading all this actually made me wonder if penises could eventually be created using stem cells. The possibility is there- just the technology and knowledge isn't. Yet.
Well, only way I could think of is to somehow get a megadose of y-chromosome carrying viruses into your system (donated by a father or brother, preferably) and then to take one of your XXY cells and put the new genetic code into an empty stem cell. Then. . . It would be tricky to not grow an entire fetus.
Quote from: The Unforgiven on May 13, 2009, 09:04:08 PM
I've been thinking about this forever! Cause then MTF's and FTM's could trade parts. Not to be weird.
I definitely would take a transplant if it were possible.
That would be great. . . but I'm not sure how you would manage to transplant a vagina. Unless the whole pelvis was traded. . . but that seems just a bit risky.
SilverFang
Quote from: The Unforgiven on May 13, 2009, 09:04:08 PM
I've been thinking about this forever! Cause then MTF's and FTM's could trade parts. Not to be weird.
I definitely would take a transplant if it were possible.
I've thought about this for years also
If it were possible, I'd go for it. Up for a trade? >:-)
A transplant in the most ideal situation, that is without any anti-rejection drugs and the penis working normally? Heck yeah, sure will.
Having to take drugs for the rest of my life, limiting me in my day-to-day stuff and the penis still needs a pump and such? No thanks, not for me.
I feel the same way about phallo. The idea is nice, but the actual implementation is not acceptable for me. Still too many risks for something that does not look like the real deal.
PolarBear
First of all, tecnology is not good enough. I think that this kind of transplant would be full of problems, because that zone is too much sensible, full of nerves and so on. Second one, I don't want to take antireject drugs for the rest of my life, also because they are really heavy for your health.
But I think that the real problem with me wanting to get a transplant is that I don't want someone other's penis. I want a penis for me, but not someone other's. :(
Yeah really, who knows where its been? It could be Kurt Cobain's penis, and then it would have been in Courtney Love, and like, iccck.
It would be difficult to find a compatible donor and I would be somewhat particular about the vagina I would want to have. Anti rejection drugs would be a drag. Probably, such tech. is far in the future :P
a dick from another dude. ??? ??? ??? damn thats nasty. nope not me. I'm happy w/what I got & dont need a dick 2 be a man.
Given the science and surgery is not that far away, if I could have a donor female reproductive system I would. And happily put my 15" wang on E-Bay :laugh:. Any offers?
Remember a few years back liver transplants were impossible. They are now routine with a very high success rate.
Lol
Cindy
Re: Anti-rejection drugs. I read an article in the newspaper a while back in which they discussed an experiment that was performed recently. Apparently they took several patients who were scheduled for a kidney transplant and did a bone marrow transplant from the kidney doner first. At the time of the article, all of the recipients had had their new kidneys for 2 years, were not on anti-rejection meds, and had no problems with rejection.
The problem, of course, is that in order to do the bone marrow transplant, first they have to kill off your own immune system. That's probably not something most doctors are going to be willing to do for "cosmetic" surgery.
In answer to the original question - if the procedure had been proven safe and effective - i.e. I would end up with a fully functional, normal-looking penis, with low risks for complications, then, yeah, I'd consider it. That being said, I'm not all that unhappy with what I've got now, so I certainly wouldn't go for it if I was going to risk ending up with some half-way functional, odd-looking frankenwang (like you get with most modern phallos.)
Two cocks? Why not?
They could make my love tunnel TWICE as deep :D
Quote from: Vexing on May 14, 2009, 03:48:54 AM
Two cocks? Why not?
They could make my love tunnel TWICE as deep :D
What? :laugh:
Quote from: Virginia Marie on May 14, 2009, 12:54:06 AM
I've thought about this for years also
If it were possible, I'd go for it. Up for a trade? >:-)
Here you go. *throws at you*
back when i was in college, i swear i read somewhere that they were growing test tube penises. Maybe it didn't work out so well.
But yeah, i'm a minority, if the surgery was done well and it made it 100% working order, yes, i would take someone elses cock if they didn't want it.
Difficult question. I wouldn't take anything less than phenomenal and completely functional. But, depending on what can be achieved, I'd give it serious consideration. If, that is, I ever decide to transition at all.
Quote from: Vexing on May 14, 2009, 03:48:54 AM
Two cocks? Why not?
They could make my love tunnel TWICE as deep :D
VOMITOUS.
Through the nose >.<
we all know how that feels.
QuoteWhat part of phalloplasty doesn't work well?
All of it. I recently ran across a dude who's junk looked semi-normal.... and then he told me his procedure for getting it "hard"- a bandage, tape, two condoms. and for getting off- a very strategically placed vibrator.
Phallo fail.
Quote from: Mister on May 17, 2009, 11:33:23 AM
All of it. I recently ran across a dude who's junk looked semi-normal.... and then he told me his procedure for getting it "hard"- a bandage, tape, two condoms. and for getting off- a very strategically placed vibrator.
Phallo fail.
This is what a guy I met planned on doing when he has his Phallo (scheduled in Belgrade), I guess at least he knows what to expect going in I guess. condom and vibrator so on ....
Myles
Something you can transplant. Something you can transplant?
No, I want the Genesis device for genitals. FTM variety.
Quote from: tekla on May 14, 2009, 02:39:05 AM
Yeah really, who knows where its been? It could be Kurt Cobain's penis, and then it would have been in Courtney Love, and like, iccck.
You slay me. ;D
I think I'd do the "ideal" transplant (i.e. penis working exactly like a regular one, no anti-rejection meds, no rejection, no dead tissue). I might miss vaginal sex, though. It makes sex so simple...and I like it! :-\ But it'd probably be worth it to have a nice dick...
Quote from: Andrew on May 17, 2009, 01:33:05 PM
I might miss vaginal sex, though. It makes sex so simple...and I like it!
I know you won't answer this if you're uncomfortable, Andrew, but do you ever have hang-ups about front-door sex? At this stage of my transition, I guess I'm really hung up on stereotypes. I never thought I had it in me...no pun intended.
Quote from: Arch on May 17, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
I know you won't answer this if you're uncomfortable, Andrew, but do you ever have hang-ups about front-door sex? At this stage of my transition, I guess I'm really hung up on stereotypes. I never thought I had it in me...no pun intended.
I used to. Before I started on T, I never thought I'd have vaginal sex at all. I figured I would have oral or strap-on sex with women, and though I liked guys, I could imagine what I'd do if I got a guy in bed. I didn't really like the idea of anyone doing anything with my lady-parts -- it seemed to reinforce my femaleness.
Once I transitioned, though, people started seeing me as a guy. It made all the difference. Now I'm comfortable with what I have and so are my male partners, because I know they don't see me as a girl. (They're queermosexuals. ;)) I think it takes two things: (a) seeing yourself, and having others see you, as a guy, and (b) experimenting with yourself before you try anything (particularly front-door sex) with someone else. (It''s not something you want to go into blindly...!) Anyway, hope this is of help to you...
Quote from: CindyJames on May 14, 2009, 03:40:21 AM
And happily put my 15" wang on E-Bay :laugh:. Any offers?
...
Wow, really? o.o
Sorry, but I have to ask. I'm just wondering if that's even possible, I'm not being perverted, I swear! <.<
Quote from: Andrew on May 17, 2009, 02:22:09 PM
Once I transitioned, though, people started seeing me as a guy. It made all the difference. Now I'm comfortable with what I have and so are my male partners, because I know they don't see me as a girl. (They're queermosexuals. ;)) I think it takes two things: (a) seeing yourself, and having others see you, as a guy, and (b) experimenting with yourself before you try anything (particularly front-door sex) with someone else. (It''s not something you want to go into blindly...!) Anyway, hope this is of help to you...
I don't think any amount of experimenting is going to help me. I've had front-hole sex almost exclusively all my life. Somehow, when I was nineteen, I figured out a way of coping with it. After I came out of the closet, the hang-ups came back. They never really left; I had just buried the heck out of them.
But I think you may be right on the first point, at least as it applies to me. My voice is still dropping, and my facial features haven't altered much if at all. I haven't had top surgery yet, and I still need to lose some weight. Right now, some people read me as male and some people don't. I myself feel like I'm in the androgynous zone, and I freaking hate it.
When I change my perceptions about myself and when I'm read as male virtually all the time, then perhaps I can make progress on my anatomical issues. 'Cause right now, I don't seem to be making much headway at all.
You give me hope, though. Thanks.