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Hey its me teena

The thing is i want a boob job one day, then i want a sex change other day then i want a brazillan butt job thing!!!!! but i don't know???? it really confusing me lately!... im get brace  first out all of these surgery cause i find your 'simle' is one of the most acttractive features of a person you know what i mean!... so thats frist and i have to wear it for three years too! man i wish i started early (Braces) any way back to the surgery stuff the only time i want a sex change is when i watch porn ( of course) i just want to have sex its so annoying!..., when i get into relationships with a guy witch i don't do because i have a penis- you know what i mean!!!! and the boob job thing, cousin of mine says thats tat make you look like a girl  more etc  but i want a brazillan butt job But also (Guys) can't deal with a girl with boobs and a penis but they can deal with a girl with samll boobs and a vagina!!!! so true! i don't knw i m just confused im just thing of the braces now! i just don't know about the sex change- because you know what they say Its easy to dig a hole, then build a pole! lol yea i just dont want to regert! man i been on HRT for 4 years now doctor said, "Im infertillie!" sort of! like  I don't know if i want kids?????????????????......... i love my little cousins and that but i think it would cost too much to put some sperm in a sperm bank i guess you can't have everything!.....

Mwah Teena  thanks 4 reading

For me, first and foremost SRS.  But for now I am settling on an Orchidectomy.  After that BA.  I am still not happy with my bust line.


Janet

I've chosen to have my face and maybe some body contouring done before having my...hole...dug.

My priorities...FFS, SRS, BA. With FFS done I'm working on SRS. At some point I'll be able to get to BA, probably not for some time though.

Quote from: SarahR on October 05, 2009, 01:33:57 AM
My priorities...FFS, SRS, BA. With FFS done I'm working on SRS. At some point I'll be able to get to BA, probably not for some time though.

That is the order for me as well.
Blending in is more important than downstairs, or up top. Breasts will continue to grow for a while, and enhancers help a lot, and they are cheap and safer than surgery.

FFS should be the priority, the rest is really up to you.  So get FFS first, and worry about the rest later.

Quote from: sweetstars on October 05, 2009, 07:59:35 AM
FFS should be the priority, the rest is really up to you.  So get FFS first, and worry about the rest later.

It's different for everyone, though.  My face really bothers me, and my lower region is in a non-functional state until I get it fixed, and a BA just isn't a priority.  Not everyone needs FFS, and by "needs FFS" I mean it's critical to their own self acceptance.  That's how I feel about FFS, but I feel the same way about SRS too.  I'm still unsure of what my priority is, my face is obviously a lot more public, but it's more expensive and I won't feel "done" until SRS.  SRS has the benefit of allowing me to change ALL my documents, but I do live in a state that will let me change my license without a SRS letter.

I think I will end up doing FFS first, but it may come down to my work situation when the time comes to schedule things.

i was always lucky to of been born small with a female shaped body and hrt has played it part too, even though i have been full time for a long time my face has reall began to depress me so im off to Dr Suporn in feb and 20k lighter in money.

it really is personal choices i wanted that first to feel happy again and then as soon as i recover it will be srs, ba to add the final touch and start to live how i want to again and with the person i want too.

Work on my face to remove manly features. I am not sure I want to transition all the way to female but most assuredly want to get rid of my male parts/features.

FFS definitely.
Boobs don't make a girl and they grow alone, no one sees your bottom part unless you wish it.

I'm still not to the point of starting HRT, so that is priority #1. After that, the face is what people see first when you meet them and, for me, it is what I see most of myself. I need/want to get rid of that male looking face - FFS first for me ASAP (anyone got a winning lottery ticket they can lend me?). I also despise that dangly bit between the legs and can't wait to get the pole replaced with a hole. :)

As for the breasts, I'm going to wait to see what those good 'ole hormones do for the girls before I invest in silicone/saline. I like 'em au natural.

So, HRT, FFS, SRS and if I get desperate BA.

Deanna

I feel uneducated at the moment. What is BA?

Breast Augmentation.  aka Boob Job.  ;D


Janet

Quote from: Janet Lynn on October 05, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
Breast Augmentation.  aka Boob Job.  ;D


Janet

OMG, I should have known.  Thanks Janet! I have a feeling I won't have to worry about that. My mom had DD or DDDs and her mom well...hers were measured by buckets.  huge!  I am actually scared right now.

Number One - Facial hair removal!!!  This is a must unless you're joining the circus.  I know it's not a surgery but it takes a long time and should be done before FFS or you could find hairs where you never expected to find them.  :o

As for the surgeries, that depends on your situation.  I opted for FFS & BA first and canceled my GRS date so that people at work would have an easier time with my transition.  I regretted that decision to the point of depression.  GRS was, for me, without a doubt, the most important surgery.

Each of us has different needs.  If your outward appearance is most important, FFS & BA make sense.  If it's the internal feeling of having mind and body in sync, then bottom surgery could be the answer.  You have to decide for yourself.

Julie

Quote from: Myself on October 05, 2009, 10:55:03 AM
FFS definitely.
Boobs don't make a girl and they grow alone, no one sees your bottom part unless you wish it.

I agree and I disagree.

I think FFS is an important first step.  I agree that breasts don't make a girl, and they do grow.  When I reach 2.5 years from the start of HRT I will make decisions regarding a BA, until then I am waiting.

To me, SRS is almost as important as FFS, but I think in a lot of cases, FFS is needed to be accepted.  You are right, no one would see your genitals unless you showed them, but for me it has nothing to do with other people.  For me, SRS is for me, and whether I am going to show it to anyone has nothing to do with it.


So for me, FFS, SRS, then anything else if you feel you need them.

Quote from: Julie Marie on October 05, 2009, 02:31:16 PM
Number One - Facial hair removal!!!  This is a must unless you're joining the circus.

Me too.  Then SRS. 

Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on October 05, 2009, 07:04:16 PM
You are right, no one would see your genitals unless you showed them, but for me it has nothing to do with other people.  For me, SRS is for me, and whether I am going to show it to anyone has nothing to do with it.

I want that "F" on my IDs, I'm tired of carrying around *his* crap, and my pants don't fit right.  And, if I'm really lucky I will find a guy or two to rock in my cradle. ;)

My breasts will be whatever size they decide to be.  So far, I'm comfortable wearing enhancers, and they're not that expensive. :)

As far as FFS goes, my feeling is that the world is just stuck with my face >:(, although I do have a consult tomorrow for a nose job. :D  (Ah, Vanity, they name is woman.)

- Kate

SRS - I'm rather happy with the rest of my body. 2nd would be removal of what little facial hair I have. Maybe FFS just to make me look younger  :icon_chick:

I'll have to copy SarahR.  FFS, SRS, then maybe BA.  I'm still working on facial hair though, and then HRT will begin in a few months...so I've got a while before any of the rest of the alphabet soup is done.  Still...it's time to start saving those pennies....
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Everyone has their priorities.  I guess mine are primarily about being somewhat passable for social and employment reasons.  Just like the turtle...slow and steady...until I've finished the last of that alphabet soup.  ;)

Quote from: K8 on October 05, 2009, 07:29:18 PM
Me too.  Then SRS. 

I want that "F" on my IDs, I'm tired of carrying around *his* crap, and my pants don't fit right.

That's exactly it for me.  I know the legal ID situation isn't for some but it is for me.

ETA: I should say that it's a significant part of it.  Another is simply being comfortable existing in my own body.  As much as I interact it's much less than the time of dealing with myself.

SRS is the surgery I want the most.  When I have a better source of income I'll get electro (I had laser which didn't get everything).  I'm not terribly worried about FFS since all that's really off is that my nose is a tad broad but like I said it's nothing too bad.  If I could get bottom surgery tomorrow I would do it.

FFS means everything to me. I plan SRS shortly after, funds pending of course.

Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on October 05, 2009, 07:04:16 PM
I agree and I disagree.

I think FFS is an important first step.  I agree that breasts don't make a girl, and they do grow.  When I reach 2.5 years from the start of HRT I will make decisions regarding a BA, until then I am waiting.

To me, SRS is almost as important as FFS, but I think in a lot of cases, FFS is needed to be accepted.  You are right, no one would see your genitals unless you showed them, but for me it has nothing to do with other people.  For me, SRS is for me, and whether I am going to show it to anyone has nothing to do with it.


So for me, FFS, SRS, then anything else if you feel you need them.

I completely agree about GRS being very important.
I just think in terms of blending and feeling comfortable around people and living and with yourself, ffs would come first because it has an over greater beneficial value.

GRS in my opinion is really important and I am going to do it as soon as I can and I am sure I will feell more comfortable after this, but life would be easier (and I'd feel much more comfortable) with FFS more than they would after GRS

Btw, I am using GRS as Genital Reassignment Surgery, I hate the gender/sex reassignment surgery term, I think it's completely wrong and insulting.

EDIT
I also completely agree about laser facial hair removal!
Even without FFS it makes things look a lot better, less embarrassing (even just for me regardless of others), prettier and more comfortable!

Laser is relatively cheap and should be started as soon as someone can.

I been after 2 treatments and I really love it how after each treatment I have about a week or so almost free of all hairs.
Can't wait for when there are no hairs there at all and that it stays that way too!

Srs is the most important thing to me, then FFS.

my order is ffs as well as facial hair removal in progress then srs then maybe ba but ffs is for me required just so i can look in the mirror and not want to slit my wrists
jessica

Quote from: heatherrose on October 06, 2009, 09:27:11 AM

Why do you prefer the term "Gender Reassignment Surgery" over
"Sex Reassignment Surgery"? Gender is what is between your ears,
sex is what is between your legs. Do you intend to undergo surgery
to change your perceived gender or your sexual characteristics?

FYI...She used it as "Genital Reassignment Surgery".

~Sarah

I agree that facial hair is most important!  Just got back from my first laser session (ouch!) and have had 5 sessions with an electro!

Nest is HRT - hopefully starting in January.  Then I'll have to see were that takes me - if it dosen't soften my features enough, probably FFS and then SRS.

Steph

Quote from: heatherrose on October 05, 2009, 11:12:54 AM

Personally, I can not consider my sex
to be female until I have a virgina.

This.

Women can be ugly and women can be flat and still be taken seriously as women.

Having the "junk" hanging around really undermines that.

IMO.

Quote from: Laura Hope on October 06, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
This.

Women can be ugly and women can be flat and still be taken seriously as women.

Having the "junk" hanging around really undermines that.

IMO.

But no one can see your junk.  ???

Ah, yes, Nero, -

But it is still THERE!!!

Steph

Quote from: heatherrose on October 06, 2009, 03:52:27 PM

IMHO, this is the difference between transsexual and transgender ideology.
A transgender person is comfortable with their original equipment as long
as they can look like the part. A transsexual is not comfortable with
themselves until their genitals resemble those of their internal gender.

Saying this I do not assert that one group is better than an other,
I am only recognizing that there is a difference.

Hmm, that's a definition I haven't heard before.

I'm not trying to antagonize or anything, since I know we've already been going back and forth on the issue of FFS and stuff, but what exactly is the difference between needing to match your genitals with your internal gender identity and needing to match your other physical features to your internal gender identity?

It seems to me like it's all pretty much focused around the same thing...matching one's external identity with their internal identity. I don't see why they need to be broken down into that minute of a level when the end result is the same, feeling as comfortable in one's own body as possible. I use the definition of transgender as a blanket statement to encompass the various gender non-comforming ideologies (CD, TS, IS, etc.) as it's the most logical (Trans- (prefix): From the Latin meaning "across, over, or beyond.") Therefore, it literally mean across/beyond (trans) the (gender) boundaries. I reserve transsexual for the more specific group of transgender people who, in some form or another, transition, whether it be purely mental, or the "typical" physical transition as well.

~Sarah

This is not a competetion, I don't think labeling people is needed.

I am sure everyone just wants to be a female, everyone would do everything needed at the same time if the could.

If they can't, they choose what iwll make them more comfortable, If they really want GRS and FFS and feel comfortable enough with the face or a stronger feeling for GRS or whatever, they'd do GRS first.

If they feel they have a hard time in society and it will make it easier to blend and comfortable with how they see themselves if they do FFS, they might do FFS first even though they might really feel for GRS as well.

Just because you choose one before of the other, for whatever reason, doesn't make make you right or wrong.
It might be the best decision for you.

Personally I want GRS, won't give it up, but I hate looking in the camera and feeling the image is of a guy and other people seeing a guy so I want an image of a girl so I can live comfortabley with me and others and I'll be paitent with the GRS.

FFS can promot people a lot, GRS can complete people in my opinion.
Although at times both are needed for being complete.

Once I had implants and FFS, I knew that I probably would not have GRS.  But I feel differently about my "bits" as some of you ladies, I have never "hated" mine, and have received much pleasure from them.  If I had hated mine, it would have probably been my first surgery.

Quote from: Nero on October 06, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
But no one can see your junk.  ???

It's not what anyone else sees that matters, only what I see.  And what I know.  Your head can mess with you a lot when the wrong junk is attached.

Julie

Quote from: Julie Marie on October 06, 2009, 07:39:36 PM
It's not what anyone else sees that matters, only what I see.  And what I know.  Your head can mess with you a lot when the wrong junk is attached.

Yeah, like those hideous deformities I used to have on my chest (sorry, gals). I bound like crazy so that nobody else could see them, but they were still there. And I couldn't bind while I slept. That drove me nuts.

This thread is very interesting to me because it really speaks to some fundamental differences between the men and the women. Quite a while back, I assumed that women would want GRS/SRS before FFS, especially if the facial features were not too heavily masculine. Then I made a new friend with a pretty, quite feminine face, and she wanted FFS first! That really threw me for a loop. I asked why she didn't want to get GRS first and get her legal gender right with the federal government. She started pointing out all of the little masculine markers in her face and said that nobody sees her sex organs!

I still think she's beautiful and feminine-looking, enough so that I wonder if she'll ever opt for GRS first. But she doesn't seem to believe that her face is that "passable." Now, after seven-odd months on T, I can understand that; just as she looks in the mirror and sees a masculine face, I, too, look in my own mirror and see a very androgynous face that isn't nearly masculine enough.

It's cool to see all the different perspectives. Great thread.

SRS is #1 then BA then FFS but I had my BA before I will be gettting my SRS

All this boob job talk has me interested. How long does it take? Can the submuscular variety be done at the same time as ffs or is that too much time asleep? Might have to look into it some more, it might be worth waiting a few extra months on the ffs and doing them both at the same time...tempting

Quote from: Becca on October 05, 2009, 12:25:36 AM
I've chosen to have my face and maybe some body contouring done before having my...hole...dug.

:-\ you made it sound hurtful!  >:-)

Well the boobs are only like another 5 or 6k, so if the same operating room and drugs will do the trick, it seems worthwhile to wait as long as it isn't too long. I'm still thinking about it, they say to give the natural boobs a couple years, and I don't want to wait that long on the ffs so I dunno, just cackling I suppose.

Quote from: Nero on October 06, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
But no one can see your junk.  ???

If you don't/can't tuck it away properly it can foul the lines of a lot of things.

Maybe if the junk was shrivled up and non-functional that wouldn't be the case but right now, tucking is a nightmare for me.

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Quote from: Julie Marie on October 06, 2009, 07:39:36 PM
It's not what anyone else sees that matters, only what I see.  And what I know.  Your head can mess with you a lot when the wrong junk is attached.

Julie

Indeed.

In an ideal world, I would opt to do FFS, SRS and maybe body feminization surgery all done at one time. Knock it all off at once, but that can't be done, so I am looking to take it a step at a time and for me FFS feels more important. Either way, none of them will take place for quite some time (unless you give me that lottery ticket). HRT will have to come first (along with deforesting this face and body). I may find that hormones do enough to the face and body that I can see past the male markers enough to up the SRS priority. It is all a year or more away, so lots of time to think, save, plan, dream, play.

Just my meager POV,

Deanna

Well I get by without FFS (thanks dad). I did srs and ba at the same time.  Over a year later I am Very glad I had the ba done too (after 16 months hrt). It does help with the overall appearance and passibility.  Overall the best money I spent.

Oh like Julie said do electro/laser first at least most of it.  FFS will be far less sucessful with a 5 oclock shaddow. :-0

Beni

In this order I had my facial hair removed, then I had FFS which was the best as I looked totally female, I then had a BA, then after a long time I finally had GRS with trach shave at the same time, had another BA with silicone implants to DD, always wanted a nice cleavage, thats it, Im finally the woman I always want to be, a 12year journey, FFS and my 2nd BA was well worth it.
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GRS & that's what I had.  I don't need FFS & my breasts are ok the way they are.

I had an orchi first, then my SRS 2 mo. ago.

Next is hairline (transplants) in 1 mo.

Facial hair removal stalled out cos my 1st electrologist went all  scorched earth with thermolysis. My only clearing left 2 tiny pits on my chin. They faded over the last 3 years, and people said they didnt see them, but it scared me away for a long time. I had seen too many transwomen with that sort of damage only moreso.

Now I am doing laser with some1 I trust. I didn't have that much facial hair to begin with, though, so I can get away with a close shave and some dermablend. Hair removal is more of a matter of reducing daily hassle for me.

I also want jaw/chin FFS, BA, & liposhaping next year.

Quote from: Teena89 on October 04, 2009, 08:29:48 PMWhat surgery do you think is more important? Sex change,Breast Implants,FFS etc!

GRS, what else?  It's been 11 months, 1 week & 5 days since my GRS.

I don't plan on more surgery.   

I had BA done first then orchi & GRS completed in the one surgical process.

I've never had any surgery on my face and don't intend to.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on October 05, 2009, 11:33:20 AM
Breast Augmentation.  aka Boob Job.  ;D


Janet

I have a BA but its a Bachelor of Arts, lol. Sorry could not resist that, anyway the boobs don't need doing so its not a priority. I suppose FFS would be the first thing to do if and when I can afford it. SRS is next year. So its sort of upside down for me. I would have had SRS as a second as like people say, "no one sees whats in your pants, lol"

Stardust

SRS, FFS probably no BA idk yet. SRS is first and foremost just because...I'm waiting to exhale and feel at peace with my place in the world, body and mind aligning. Of course the whole i.d./legal aspect is great too.  FFS Is so important though, but HRT and genetics have done well enough that I can wait a little longer. BA if at all would be somewhere off in a distant future I'm not really thinking about yet. Hair removal is more convenience, my hair is almost transparent, everywhere except on my head.

GRS was most important but I couldn't have transitioned successfully looking male.  Even though I'd been on hormones for several years, I was far from looking like a woman.  I only looked like a feminised male & looking like that I wouldn't have gotten too far in the kind of society we live in. Therefore, I had FFS before (not in place of) GRS.

It really depends on the person. I've had SRS and I'd like FFS, although I don't have problems "blending in" I wouldn't mind it. I'm very glad I've had SRS and for me it was very important and very life changing. I think it has been more life changing, for me, than FFS would have been if I had it first.

I was also very lucky that SRS was covered by my provincial health care plan at the time (it no longer is). Other wise, it would have been a very long time before I got anywhere 'cause I'm just on disability right now. Disability isn't a lot. I've stopped smoking, saving me $2500 per year, and I've been cutting what costs I can. On disability alone, hopefully I can save $5000 a year (about $415 a month). That makes things very tight. If I spent 50,000 on FFS, it would take me about 10 years to get there. Who knows what 10 years brings. And who knows what happens in those 10 years.

For me, even if SRS wasn't covered I'd go for SRS first because it's cheaper and something that I could afford in 3-4 years with saving what I could. I also knew that I'd feel complete. And I don't need to look like a model to feel complete, and I don't need the world to tell me I'm a woman to know that I'm a woman.

Everyone is different, and it all depends on personal perspective, situations, and where they are in life.

Wish I'd had GRS covered by insurance but even when it wasn't, I went for GRS first.  FFS & blending in is important too but if a female face doesn't change your legal status of male, then there's a catastrophe waiting to happen.  How can you live a normal life looking like a woman and being legally male? (birth certificate, identity papers, social security in some countries)

For me, after hair removal it's definitely FFS first ... if I need it.  I saved up enough money for it already and I'm continuing to save until I decide what is necessary after the hormones do their stuff. After that, the priority is SRS.

Great topic!
For me, I would have to say grs, implants, then ffs.  I am not concerned with passing or stealthing so the more cosmetic procedures will be mainly for my own comfort level.  I have yet to get my name changed and I consider that as when my social transition will be complete.  Even after full medical transition is complete, I will still have a male body on the inside physically.  But I will be female in every other sense incuding externally physically.  My body will be more inline with who I am and will help make me feel more complete.  So grs is a must up front as soon as possible.  Then, only if needed, implants. And ffs only if needed for employability.  Things might change a bit after I start hormones but time will tell.

Sid

For me, it's SRS. 

However, things working the way they have, I'm having SRS - and BAS and FFS in one fell swoop in March.  That said, SRS was the numero uno surgery for me, no question.

The most important for me are visually indicated gender references, so FFS and a boob job is a strong gender indicator along with body shape and propertion. GRS isn't a gender indicator in the same way. My objective is to look female, and unless you are very lucky in the looks department, GRS is not enough on it's own.

FFS, probably. I'd say SRS if I lived in a country where it was required for a legal change.

But I'm not, so, um, yeah.

Quote from: Julie Marie on October 06, 2009, 07:39:36 PM
It's not what anyone else sees that matters, only what I see.  And what I know.  Your head can mess with you a lot when the wrong junk is attached.

Julie

Would you feel the same if other people saw you as a man Julie?

SRS/GRS is widely consider the most important surgery. Also facial hair removal is very important.
In the case I would have more money I would continue to body hair removal first.
However I cannot be sure about FFS in all cases . My face it not actually the worst possible. Even it would be nice to have FFS to pass better when in the great pain and unable to take so good care about myself.