I been thinking of get surgery to look more female like but i dont know what surgery can help me I dont have that much money so I need to get surgery that will help the most I talk to few doctors and they say hairline lowering and Forehead recontouring,Rhinoplasty,jaw and Chin recontouing
personalyi have a medium forehead and low eyebrown that makes my eye look smaller and deep set and personaly older but i dont feel it will make a diffrent is me or help me look any girly and i can hide it with hair bangs
my friend say if i can jaw and chin recontouring will healp me look less manly
other say jaw and chin contouring and a nose job but am scared it will look fake any advice i have my pictures
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my 2 cents
Brow bossing (the ridge is pretty noticeable but the eyebrows are good, hairline is ok imho)
Rhinoplasty (phat bulge)
Chin recontouring (height is ok, just a bit pointy, smoothing out the back of the jaw is 50/50)
and finally, a tracheal shave
The minimum I would suggest its Brow and chin. The things that giveaway a person's gender in the face come from up to down.
So why mess with bangs and hair when you can eliminate that kinda prominent (in your case) male feature. BTW, nice pics.
Your pictures are indeed wonderful, and at first glance, I thought you were nuts suggesting you wanted to go through with FFS procedures. But that's what people said to me when I told them I was undertaking FFS procedures.
Most of what I post here agrees with Flan's post, with some differences.
Your hairline looks fine. Actually, better then fine, a nice round shape to it. But yes, to both unhide your eyes, and improve your side profile, I totally agree with the idea of brow bossing reduction / forehead recontouring.
Following on the above paragraph, if you seek out consultations with FFS surgeons, some will have the option of doing the brow bossing reduction through the orbital rims. The advantage being that they won't have to do the dreaded coronal cut. I sought out this option when I was looking at the various procedures, but when it came down to it, the scalp advance was needed (badly), and so I had to do the coronal cut, and the surgeon did the bossing reduction and eyebrow lift with the same incision. I dislike the coronal cut (it's behind the hairline, and from above ear to the other ear) because in some cases (like mine) it leaves a scar path of hair loss on the temples just behind the hair line, and a loss of sensation on the back part of the forehead, and front part of scalp. I still don't think you need the scalp advance, and if I could have in my own personal experience been able to, I would have avoided the coronal cut.
The rhino would be optional. Noses are so personal! The side profile on your nose is cute! The width is personal taste, but would probably be the most dramatic and noticeable change you would make.
Lips are great, and your nose to lip distance is wonderful. (ie what a lip lift would do if you needed that, but you don't).
And I'm not convinced you need to have anything touched on your chin or jaw.
Absolutely on the trach shave!
In summary, if you have a limited budget, and want the most bang for the buck, brow bossing reduction, rhino and trach shave are going to make the most effective procedures. Once again, my opinion. Best of luck!
*huggs*,
Melan
all I can really see is the trach shave
Quote from: Melan on November 15, 2009, 11:52:20 PM
Your pictures are indeed wonderful, and at first glance, I thought you were nuts suggesting you wanted to go through with FFS procedures. But that's what people said to me when I told them I was undertaking FFS procedures.
Most of what I post here agrees with Flan's post, with some differences.
Your hairline looks fine. Actually, better then fine, a nice round shape to it. But yes, to both unhide your eyes, and improve your side profile, I totally agree with the idea of brow bossing reduction / forehead recontouring.
Following on the above paragraph, if you seek out consultations with FFS surgeons, some will have the option of doing the brow bossing reduction through the orbital rims. The advantage being that they won't have to do the dreaded coronal cut. I sought out this option when I was looking at the various procedures, but when it came down to it, the scalp advance was needed (badly), and so I had to do the coronal cut, and the surgeon did the bossing reduction and eyebrow lift with the same incision. I dislike the coronal cut (it's behind the hairline, and from above ear to the other ear) because in some cases (like mine) it leaves a scar path of hair loss on the temples just behind the hair line, and a loss of sensation on the back part of the forehead, and front part of scalp. I still don't think you need the scalp advance, and if I could have in my own personal experience been able to, I would have avoided the coronal cut.
The rhino would be optional. Noses are so personal! The side profile on your nose is cute! The width is personal taste, but would probably be the most dramatic and noticeable change you would make.
Lips are great, and your nose to lip distance is wonderful. (ie what a lip lift would do if you needed that, but you don't).
And I'm not convinced you need to have anything touched on your chin or jaw.
Absolutely on the trach shave!
In summary, if you have a limited budget, and want the most bang for the buck, brow bossing reduction, rhino and trach shave are going to make the most effective procedures. Once again, my opinion. Best of luck!
*huggs*,
Melan
thank you your the only one that game me a good advice not just whatever and you came out lovely but if i get my brow bossing surgery they will lower my hairline the doctor am thinking of going is DR. cardenas from mexico
Nose job, and adams apple.. not really sure if they can do anything with that.. :-\
But your face is very female. :)
Jay
Quote from: queesamor14 on November 16, 2009, 08:05:18 PM
thank you your the only one that game me a good advice not just whatever and you came out lovely but if i get my brow bossing surgery they will lower my hairline the doctor am thinking of going is DR. cardenas from mexico
Thank you for the thank you. I almost deleted that post after putting it out there, as I hate doing this, but I personally know the value I found to just asking opinions when I was in the process of self-evaluation and assessing my needs.
If you want further evaluations, and are a glutton for punishment lol, you can also post your pictures to the Yahoo FFS group and ask the same questions, if you haven't already done so. Also the virtual FFS thing is quite interesting, it was actually pretty accurate for me, not 100%, but definitely gave me a good notion of what procedures might do for me.
Best wishes to you as you get closer to completing your vision of you!
*huggs*,
Melan
Forehead, nose, adam's apple.
Chin as maybe, the front shot isn't very clear about it, maybe just round it a bit and remove the broadness. Still - not to sure about chin.
Jaw looks fine, not sure why anyone suggested it O_o
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Quote from: Melan on November 15, 2009, 11:52:20 PM
it leaves a scar path of hair loss on the temples just behind the hair line, and a loss of sensation on the back part of the forehead, and front part of scalp. I still don't think you need the scalp advance, and if I could have in my own personal experience been able to, I would have avoided the coronal cut.
Does it always cause hair loss?
All forehead recounturing or only if you include scalp advacement?
Always?
I agree btw, no need to touch her hairline.
I have a personal objection to bone work, so I would suggest the nose job and the trach shave.
Quote from: Virginia87106 on November 18, 2009, 11:17:53 AM
I have a personal objection to bone work.......
Hi Virginia,
Just curious, what is your personal objection to bone work?
*huggs*,
Melan
Quote from: Jay on November 17, 2009, 05:51:16 AM
Nose job, and adams apple.. not really sure if they can do anything with that.. :-\
But your face is very female. :)
Jay
thank you but am curios are you female to male or just a male??
Post Merge: November 18, 2009, 07:54:16 PM
Quote from: Myself on November 18, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Forehead, nose, adam's apple.
Chin as maybe, the front shot isn't very clear about it, maybe just round it a bit and remove the broadness. Still - not to sure about chin.
Jaw looks fine, not sure why anyone suggested it O_o
Post Merge: November 18, 2009, 08:31:19 AM
Does it always cause hair loss?
All forehead recounturing or only if you include scalp advacement?
Always?
I agree btw, no need to touch her hairline.
thank you alot of the doctor i talk to say to get jaw work but some just want to make extra money thant to relly help but i feel my jaw look manly than my Forehead if i get it done my eye will still be small like a dude and it will destroy my hair line but idk i will do anything to be seen like a women
Melan asked
Just curious, what is your personal objection to bone work?
Melan- Please understand, this is a personal view that I do not judge if others want it, but for me bone work is just too invasive a procedure. It is usually performed on the brow or forehead, and my observations on myself and on others is that bangs, or hair style can do as much to make the forehead look feminine as the bone grinding and shaving would do. For me I did have FFS, but only soft tissue work.
Be blessed.
Hi "Myself",
Quote from: Myself on November 18, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
Does it always cause hair loss?
All forehead recounturing or only if you include scalp advacement?
Always?
I mentioned above in my initial post....
Quote from: melanbecause in some cases (like mine).......
that it was true for me... I have no way of knowing in all cases. I've read of it happening in other FFS patients that had scalp advance with the coronal cut. I truly only notice it after swimming or showering, when my hair is wet. But, no, don't count on that being an affect... ask the surgeons if that's a possible side affect, and other FFS patients if they experienced it. I can only relate my experience.
Take Care,
Melan
Your face looks very female, in my opinion.
No changes needed.
I say, the only thing is the adams apple.
Quote from: queesamor14 on November 18, 2009, 07:49:51 PM
thank you but am curios are you female to male or just a male??
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thank you alot of the doctor i talk to say to get jaw work but some just want to make extra money thant to relly help but i feel my jaw look manly than my Forehead if i get it done my eye will still be small like a dude and it will destroy my hair line but idk i will do anything to be seen like a women
I looked again, I don't think the jaw looks manly at all.
Your jaw is quite good actually - the most beautiful jaws are rarely the least defined once, like surgeons sometimes wish to give you.
You don't need to ruin pretty features to be a female or even to pass as such, that's what surgeons sometimes forget and just use sterotypes from skull forms.
Your eyes - I didn't see anything wrong with them, many women has small eyes (usually make them bigger with mak eup), it's not really a woman thing like people say, it's just more attractive on women because the world is based on female beauty anyways.
There are rarely as many work done on male beauty than on female.
It's not dude eyes, you\ll just have to use make up like so many other women (eyeliner to make it bigger)
Quote from: Myself on November 19, 2009, 12:17:18 AM
I looked again, I don't think the jaw looks manly at all.
Your jaw is quite good actually - the most beautiful jaws are rarely the least defined once, like surgeons sometimes wish to give you.
You don't need to ruin pretty features to be a female or even to pass as such, that's what surgeons sometimes forget and just use sterotypes from skull forms.
Your eyes - I didn't see anything wrong with them, many women has small eyes (usually make them bigger with mak eup), it's not really a woman thing like people say, it's just more attractive on women because the world is based on female beauty anyways.
There are rarely as many work done on male beauty than on female.
It's not dude eyes, you\ll just have to use make up like so many other women (eyeliner to make it bigger)
thank you i been a part time female and i go to school and work as a male and some people call me miss other mister and i ask my self what do i need to look more female and when i dress up as i female i get looks so idk something
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Quote from: ccc on November 18, 2009, 09:34:15 PM
Your face looks very female, in my opinion.
No changes needed.
I say, the only thing is the adams apple.
i guess like i say i dress like a female part time and i dont beall miss most of the time some other time so i feel like i need word done
You have allot of nice features. Loose the adams apple and put your favorite dress and lipstick on ;)
Quote from: Virginia Marie on November 19, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
You have allot of nice features. Loose the adams apple and put your favorite dress and lipstick on ;)
thank you i wish i cant see that but i want to look more girly and pretty i just dont like then
Well if you're still getting sir'd and mister'd then maybe its the person, or something else about you.
To me, you don't need any face changes.
Maybe the confidence, the walk, the way you carry yourself, your voice? Idk... just be yourself, be confident.
Quote from: Virginia87106 on November 18, 2009, 07:58:46 PM
Melan asked
Just curious, what is your personal objection to bone work?
Melan- Please understand, this is a personal view that I do not judge if others want it, but for me bone work is just too invasive a procedure. It is usually performed on the brow or forehead, and my observations on myself and on others is that bangs, or hair style can do as much to make the forehead look feminine as the bone grinding and shaving would do. For me I did have FFS, but only soft tissue work.
Be blessed.
hi i will like to ask you what is soft tissue work?
Hi Queesamor14, you look beautiful to me and very feminine, said that I will do a little artistic touch up on the pictures and post them back for you to see, maybe that will help you visualise, Love Alexia.
Quote from: Flan on November 15, 2009, 08:07:11 PM
my 2 cents
Brow bossing (the ridge is pretty noticeable but the eyebrows are good, hairline is ok imho)
Rhinoplasty (phat bulge)
Chin recontouring (height is ok, just a bit pointy, smoothing out the back of the jaw is 50/50)
and finally, a tracheal shave
What she said ;)
You just look like a pacific islander girl to me (I live in the pacific) e.g. Samoan. They have rather strong features. I think you look good. If you could lose the adams apple that would be my only suggestion. The rest is just personal preference, what would you like to change?
Instead of attaching pictures to this post which I do not know how to do yet I am posting link to the page with images. As you can see even after virtual surgery, your face does not change a lot which is a good think, even after the ultimate redu involving pretty extensive surgery you do not change a lot. I hope this enforces your belief in your beauty but I also respect and value your own wishes so if you need any further help as to the picture virtual redu let me know. I love the exotic in you, Love Alexia.
http://sites.google.com/site/nhenceme/pictures (http://sites.google.com/site/nhenceme/pictures)
Quote from: alexia elliot on November 30, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
Hi Queesamor14, you look beautiful to me and very feminine, said that I will do a little artistic touch up on the pictures and post them back for you to see, maybe that will help you visualise, Love Alexia.
omg i will love to see then
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Quote from: Nicky on November 30, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
You just look like a pacific islander girl to me (I live in the pacific) e.g. Samoan. They have rather strong features. I think you look good. If you could lose the adams apple that would be my only suggestion. The rest is just personal preference, what would you like to change?
my jaw and chin and maybe my nose i want to look softer preatty fem
Post Merge: December 06, 2009, 12:53:18 AM
Quote from: alexia elliot on November 30, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Instead of attaching pictures to this post which I do not know how to do yet I am posting link to the page with images. As you can see even after virtual surgery, your face does not change a lot which is a good think, even after the ultimate redu involving pretty extensive surgery you do not change a lot. I hope this enforces your belief in your beauty but I also respect and value your own wishes so if you need any further help as to the picture virtual redu let me know. I love the exotic in you, Love Alexia.
http://sites.google.com/site/nhenceme/pictures (http://sites.google.com/site/nhenceme/pictures)
thank you your right what not much of a difference besides the nose i thank you so much for doing this no i can have a clear view of it
I am so glad you liked it, and just what we all said, you are fabulous and beautiful. With love, Alexia.
trachea shave :) the rest are not necessary to be passable...
brow bossing would be nice but u dont rly need it much.
the nose is definitely not necessary, because ethnic woman have varying nose size, width and such.
you look like a woman with harder features. Not all women have delicate features. You pretty nice with your hair pulled back without the adam's apple and some hair in your face you'd look pretty naturally feminine. Your cheek structure helps and balances out your masculine features. You're a very pretty woman.
queesamor, Aye mamacita, eres muy hermosa! (You are very beautiful).
adams apple was no big deal..it has nothing effect sexual attraction..i will laid any preety girl eventhough she got adams apple...however i will never laid any ugly girl, so focus on ur face
i think u should focus more on ur jaw and forehead.
I can only see the adam's apple here, the rest of your features is nice. And your hairline is already female.
ya, she already looks like a girl, but not a preety girl, if she want to be a preety girl, she need to do something at FFS