STP's.
Call me a man, but i feel just way too lazy these days to be messing around faffing with an STP when i just wana waz. Sure, it be nice to be able to just wang it out and go... But with an STP you have to make sure you're possitioned right before you go ahead otherwise you get it all down your leg. Not to mention it's impossible to use an STP with trousers and pants still in tact.
Is it just me that would rather not have the hassle and just sit down and get on with it?
I suppose I'm lazy too. Don't get me wrong I really like just going without having to find a spot on the toilet that's warm (winter here). But like you said adjusting over and over when you have to go makes me impatient. Not to mention if you screw up early in the day you are stuck with a wet spot and smelling of pee all day.
I do feel natural standing up but I dunno I get angry when I pee and have to do extra work for bits that should have been there to begin with. Plus the longer I am on T stuff changed and I haven't found a STP that doesn't bother sensitive areas. Went mango stp.
I'm with you on those counts, I just don't feel the need to mess with all that when I can just go in a stall and do the silent-against-the-bowl maneuver. And some days I'm very lazy, I must admit that.
So many people have so many problems with every pre-existing STP style, from the coffee-can DIY method, to the 2500 dollar prosthesis with medical-grade tubing or whatever the hell it is. I do not want to mess with all that either.
Yes, it would feel natural standing up but it doesn't feel natural pissing down my own leg one out of five times. I don't call that a positive tradeoff.
So, sitting down for me until my brain decides I need a urethral hookup and all that good jazz.
I'd agree. I've tried so many different methods, but I think I am just too clumsy to ever be able to use them without peeing down my leg. Not to mention it takes way too long.
Definitely not just you. I was so excited to get my STP, but after about two weeks (maybe even less than that), the novelty just wore off and the whole process just became annoying. I'd much rather stand, but I don't really care anymore. Yeah, finding a clean toilet to sit on is a pain, but it's a ton better than worrying about pee down my leg or where to put the thing when I'm done.
Quote from: jonjon on January 31, 2010, 11:46:12 AM
Not to mention it's impossible to use an STP with trousers and pants still in tact.
Huh? You mean still up and covering your butt? I can do it... I have to unzip my fly and undo the top button, then whip it over the waistband of my underwear (maneuvering through the fly hole takes too much time), but it's do-able.
Positioning doesn't take that long once you get the hang of it, and I've never peed down my leg at the urinal. That said, there are times when I prefer sitting--usually when I'm exhausted, sick, up in the middle of the night, or generally can't trust my aim.
Yeah i'm too lazy to use one tbh, and most of the time some of it goes down my leg so I stopped using it.
Yeah I have never really bothered with this side of things. I wonder if it is something that will come on later, but for now I much prefer to just sort of 'hover and pee,' you know not sitting on the seat but still facing the 'wrong' way. AGH that was probably TMI :-\
I a m like Eryk, no probs but do need to undo the top button most times. It is faster than sitting most times and at those places with out stall doors, saves ya a ton of searching for another lavatory.
I didnt like to do it until I got my new stp, i guess it just works better for me
When I'm wearing boxers all I have to do is unzip my fly, and I love the simplicity.
The way you feel about STPs, is probably the way I feel about packing.. cause I dont really pack.. eh thats kinda off topic, but oh well.
It does take a lot of practice at first, but now I can do it almost as fast as any guy. Using a urinal can be a huge boost (is for me) but there are a lot of guys who don't care and just sit.
Packers/stps are a huge PIA, which is why I'm getting lower surgery in July. Even if I end up having to sit to pee, NO MORE PACKERS.
Jay
Yeah, I tried using an STP for awhile but with no success. I tried all the positioning and recommendations and everything but with little to no improvement. My urine stream is weird anyway because it always shoots in different directions at once so it's hard to control it (TMI you're welcome ;)). I was always making a mess so I just gave up and just sit. Much easier- no embarrassing mess or smell.
I'm just...really lazy most times, so I just sit. I really don't feel like shifting this, adjusting that. Bah.
Jay-
whaddaya mean no more packers, even if you have to sit and pee? You're getting medio or plasto? sitting is for pussys.
Quote from: mudd on January 31, 2010, 11:22:10 PM
Jay-
whaddaya mean no more packers, even if you have to sit and pee? You're getting medio or plasto? sitting is for pussys.
Hey, my brother is far from a 'pussy' and he sits to pee because he feels like it.
Quote from: mudd on January 31, 2010, 11:22:10 PMsitting is for pussys.
Oh, the irony of your condescending post just kills me.
Quote from: IndigeoAliquis on January 31, 2010, 11:26:17 PM
Oh, the irony of your condescending post just kills me.
I know, same here. Where do you get off calling anyone here a pussy, anyway?
Quote from: jonjon on January 31, 2010, 11:46:12 AM
STP's.
Call me a man, but i feel just way too lazy these days to be messing around faffing with an STP when i just wana waz.
I have the same opinion. I stand so I can get it done and get back to whatever I was doing, usually work. If I am not in a hurry, I often sit. If I am at home and relaxing, tired, I almost always sit.
I suppose that I can understand the fascination that young transmen have with STPs, but I've always found it to be a little silly. I suppose that it's like a young man's first shave; it's the novelty of growing up, but after a year or so, it's just another chore.
- N
Meh, I tried a couple times and it just seems like too much work. I might bother and try again, but mostly my dysphoria is about how I look and am considered a female as opposed to whether or not I can piss standing or have to shave my face everyday.
Yeah, it would be cool but I don't really have the equipment and my way works more easily anyway.
Nope I do that too. I tried and failed with the STP... would love to be able to use it.. well not long now before I have the real thing! w00p!
Jay
I'm surprised at all the bio-males who pee sitting down (when they're not taking a poo). I don't really know any guys who normally sit to pee.
Quote from: Radar on February 01, 2010, 07:57:09 AM
I'm surprised at all the bio-males who pee sitting down (when they're not taking a poo).
I've gotta second this; it is kinda surprising. It's actually made me feel better (less out-of-place) about sitting in a public restroom. I still prefer urinals when I get the chance (or if the toilets are filthy). The novelty hasn't quite worn off for me, yet. It's also funny to go into the restrooms of older buildings (60-100+ years old) that haven't been remodeled; I never knew there were so many different/unusual/old-school urinal designs out there...
Quote from: mudd on January 31, 2010, 11:22:10 PM
Jay-
whaddaya mean no more packers, even if you have to sit and pee? You're getting medio or plasto? sitting is for pussys.
Well, There will no longer be a pussy. Wrong choice of words there, dude.
But occassionally after lower surgery, the length is too short to get over the fly, or there are stream issues, or it takes a few months or more to figure out how to aim said new stream appropriately not to wet the pants around the fly.
I'd rather have a small penis and have to sit than have to use a packer forever. I'm taking my chances with a meta.
Jay
Jay, I've heard that after a meta you still can't pee standing up. So there are cases where you can?
Quote from: sneakersjay on February 01, 2010, 12:23:25 PM
Well, There will no longer be a pussy. Wrong choice of words there, dude.
But occassionally after lower surgery, the length is too short to get over the fly, or there are stream issues, or it takes a few months or more to figure out how to aim said new stream appropriately not to wet the pants around the fly.
I'd rather have a small penis and have to sit than have to use a packer forever. I'm taking my chances with a meta.
Jay
Yeah, that's my biggest concern with a meta--that there won't be enough length to let me pee standing up. For me personally, it's convenient in some cases, and the option would be nice, y'know? I figure if I get a meta done and the length just isn't enough or the stream is unpredictable, a sort of modified STP would be useful, along the lines of a short flexible tube that I can keep in my pocket and just place over the 'exit hole' when necessary. I imagine it would be a little quicker/easier to place compared to what I have currently.
Another thing about length that I've always wondered, but haven't had the guts to ask anyone who actually owns a penis... at what age can boys start peeing standing up? I mean, when they're young--but still old enough to be potty trained--their junk is probably still really short, so... I wonder just how long you really have to be to STP.
Quote from: Eryk on February 01, 2010, 02:08:46 PM
Another thing about length that I've always wondered, but haven't had the guts to ask anyone who actually owns a penis... at what age can boys start peeing standing up? I mean, when they're young--but still old enough to be potty trained--their junk is probably still really short, so... I wonder just how long you really have to be to STP.
No one's ever asked me that before... He has sufficient length long before he can stand upright; if he can stand, he can urinate. Hopefully, he has the presence of mind to choose an appropriate venue, and to aim.
The entire idea of bottom surgery has always baffled me, I admit.
- N
Quote from: Nimetön on February 01, 2010, 02:31:22 PM
The entire idea of bottom surgery has always baffled me, I admit.
If you don't mind my asking, how so?
As for me, and the two boys I raised, the STP from the start. Had a little box to stand on, you learned to pee with balance. Good practice for later when we had to pee while drunk.
Quote from: SilverFang on February 01, 2010, 02:44:36 PM
If you don't mind my asking, how so?
While I might find a vagina disturbing, I could get used to the idea; to paraphrase Alan Hart, you look at what you were born with and you make of it what you sensibly can. If I chose to stop at HRT/Top, I would have a recognizably male and human body (thought sexually very confusing) with full human function, and would be visibly male to my fellow professionals. As for my private life, I can't quite imagine why I should find being penetrated, or even getting pregnant, to be particularly disturbing. (I actually rather like the idea of being pregnant, honestly.)
To choose bottom surgery is to incur significant nerve damage and scarring, with the risk of various complications, resulting in (at best) an obvious and dysfunctional deformity, and for this privilege, I would pay a great deal of money up front and would continue to pay the opportunity cost for the remainder of my life. Even life-long chastity would seem a better choice for me.
- N
Quote from: Radar on February 01, 2010, 12:41:17 PM
Jay, I've heard that after a meta you still can't pee standing up. So there are cases where you can?
Depends on your length. I have read personal accounts and have seen pics of it, so it is possible. Just not immediately after surgery. Takes a few months or many more, easily.
After pumping these last few weeks I have a taste of what is possible, and can't wait!!
Jay
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Quote from: Eryk on February 01, 2010, 02:08:46 PMI figure if I get a meta done and the length just isn't enough or the stream is unpredictable, a sort of modified STP would be useful, along the lines of a short flexible tube that I can keep in my pocket and just place over the 'exit hole' when necessary. I imagine it would be a little quicker/easier to place compared to what I have currently.
Exactly this.
QuoteAnother thing about length that I've always wondered, but haven't had the guts to ask anyone who actually owns a penis... at what age can boys start peeing standing up?
My son started at about 4. But they are closer to the potty and/or toilet. :)
Jay
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Quote from: Nimetön on February 01, 2010, 03:31:18 PM
While I might find a vagina disturbing, I could get used to the idea; to paraphrase Alan Hart, you look at what you were born with and you make of it what you sensibly can. If I chose to stop at HRT/Top, I would have a recognizably male and human body (thought sexually very confusing) with full human function, and would be visibly male to my fellow professionals. As for my private life, I can't quite imagine why I should find being penetrated, or even getting pregnant, to be particularly disturbing. (I actually rather like the idea of being pregnant, honestly.)
To choose bottom surgery is to incur significant nerve damage and scarring, with the risk of various complications, resulting in (at best) an obvious and dysfunctional deformity, and for this privilege, I would pay a great deal of money up front and would continue to pay the opportunity cost for the remainder of my life. Even life-long chastity would seem a better choice for me.
- M
As a transguy who actually used his vag sexually AND to bear 2 children, I never did like or enjoy those parts. I, too, thought I would never mess with my junk, and if you read around these forums I'm sure you can find posts of mine that state just that.
That said, it's one thing to be in the early stages of transition, or even social transition; quite another to be fully medically transitioned. There is more of a disconnect when you look 100% male, are treated as male, and are legally male with everyone including the federal government, and to still have gender non-normative junk.
I've had good growth downstairs, and I find the fact that it is 'stuck' in an abnormal postion annoying, and I find vaginal secretions annoying and gross. I also plan to travel to more conservative areas, where having gender-normative junk may play a role in how I am treated esp. in emergency medical situations. I'd rather be a guy with a small, slightly abnormal dick, than continue on with my current junk.
Some people never change their minds, others do yet can't afford the surgery, and yet others, like me, figure I'm old enough to make an informed decision, I have the cash, and I still have my health. I don't have time to wait for bigger and better procedures. I'd rather have a small, functional penis for 20-50 years depending on how long I live, than a potentially bigger one for 10 years.
Jay
4? Isn't that about a year and half late? Really.
Quote from: sneakersjay on February 01, 2010, 12:23:25 PM
I'd rather have a small penis and have to sit than have to use a packer forever. I'm taking my chances with a meta.
agreed, I want a meta too
I bought an STP but think that it is too much hassle for what its worth, I have no problem sitting to pee. I plan on getting a meta and if I can stand to pee after that it would be great, but if not, i'll live.
Quote from: tekla on February 01, 2010, 04:42:57 PM
4? Isn't that about a year and half late? Really.
TBH I don't really remember. He was the kid who tried to kill me in his early childhood, so it's all a blur! LOL Though he did sit for quite a while. And I'm talking about standing to pee using the toilet, not the potty seat (he never stood at that) or peeing outside standing. That he did very early, LOL! And not always in proper company!
Jay