Do you think it's realistic to consider to become beautiful by 21'ish, like just beautiful. Not even most GGs are really beautiful, except select few.
Let's say I have $100,000 to buy anything I want (I don't know how to get that money), but let's just say it. And I can all the surgeries needed, and defining ones to perfect every detail. And the hormones been going for 2 years or so by then.... and I had my name changed. And I am just ready for the world.
My feet are size 9.5, I'm 5'75, and my hands are kind of small-medium for a guy. My neck is long , and my shoulders slope downwards a bit. I don't know if I could ever get a very feminine body....
This is the body I want to resemble. And I want a face that equals her body... Is this even realistic???
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/109/l_7d12cdac31a1487cb9817232f910d11a.jpg (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/109/l_7d12cdac31a1487cb9817232f910d11a.jpg)
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_7fa0b137c176447fbf6abfeeac4675da.jpg (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_7fa0b137c176447fbf6abfeeac4675da.jpg)
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/96/l_b480a3b0fc5244fbbab35e2042effebf.jpg (http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/96/l_b480a3b0fc5244fbbab35e2042effebf.jpg)
And I do not want to look like a beautiful transsexual, but look like a beautiful GG.
like this transsexual woman
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu333/jessicafox2009/325.jpg (http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu333/jessicafox2009/325.jpg)
Unlikely, since you said yourself that even few born women are that beautiful.
well they don't usually try at it with every surgery in the book, and lose weight and maintain a figure, and remain healthy, and do everything possible to become beautiful
if every woman tried to be as beautiful then probably most women are good looking (and men)
Personally, I don't find any of those women beautiful.
Conventionally attractive in a relatively Hollywood way? Sure, but not beautiful.
The kind of look they have can easily be bought.
Like Sarah Burge?
http://www.reallifebarbie.com/ (http://www.reallifebarbie.com/)
Yeah, you pretty much said it yourself. Few GGs are super-beautiful (and the ones that do tend to work at it a lot), so it's a low-probability thing. There is also the possibility that should you get to a really high level, it will be fairly obvious that you've had some work done; beauty only goes so far without modification, and people generally recognize that. Of course, if you don't care about that, then it's not as relevant.
Setting high goals is fine; there is usually some non-zero chance of success regardless of what you're going for. Some measure of progress is very likely whatever your situation is, so if you think you really want to, go ahead; the only guarantee of failure is lack of trying, after all. But don't beat yourself up if you can't quite make it. Take pride in the smaller steps and don't rush it, because no one can get there all at once.
Quote from: SilverFang on April 05, 2010, 10:58:50 PM
Like Sarah Burge?
http://www.reallifebarbie.com/ (http://www.reallifebarbie.com/)
She's beautiful for her age. I wouldn't mind looking like that at that age, but I rather not have her face at any age. It's not the sex appeal I want, but classic beauty.
I don't want to be super HOT beautiful, but just naturally beautiful looking. It's kind of hard to explain because there's different definitions of beauty.
Brigitte Bardot is probably the best example. But not Pamela Anderson. I don't want huge breast, big lips, big hips. I want a small slim body, with a small waist, and normal proportional breast with a beautiful face.
http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Bardot,%20Brigitte/Annex/Annex%20-%20Bardot,%20Brigitte%20%28Truth,%20The%29_01.jpg (http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Bardot,%20Brigitte/Annex/Annex%20-%20Bardot,%20Brigitte%20%28Truth,%20The%29_01.jpg)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Kerli.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Kerli.jpg)
All beautiful women have to work to maintain what nature gave them, and the older they are, the harder they have to work. But they start from the base level of being exceptionally pretty genetic females. From a TS point of view, the younger you are and the cuter you are (and some young males can be very girly-cute: think a young Johnny Depp) the easier it will be.
Then you get another kind of girl who may not be pretty to begin with but deliberately, almost ruthlessly uses every trick of make-up, hairstyling, diet and surgery to create the impression of sexiness. Think of the way that a plain, brunette New York girl called Stephani. Turned herself into the knowing parody of blonde sex-bomb Lady Gaga. It is much easier for a TS girl to become that kind of hottie ... tho it veers perilously close to the drag-queen look.
If you really want to know what's possible, the simplest way is to go online and check out the most expensive pre-op TS callgirls. Some of them are stunningly pretty (tho the photography has a lot to do with it). More of them have an artificial beauty ... But those proportions hold good for gg's too.
Good luck with your dream ... But be prepared to accept that for most trans-women it is just that: a dream. And, to repeat the point, remember that real beauty is just a dream for most XX-chromosome girls in the world, too.
Err, well, the point about Sarah Burge was that (if it does not say on her site) she has gotten at least $200,000 dollars worth of cosmetic surgery (over 100 procedures) to make herself "a Barbie."
It's less effective when I have to explain.
only real life barbie I know of is Angie Harmon.
Beauty is matter of opinion. You would have to define your idea of beautiful in order to figure out if you can become that or even if you really want to.
Quote from: LordKAT on April 06, 2010, 01:07:07 AMYou would have to define your idea of beautiful in order to figure out if you can become that or even if you really want to.
Haha, that's a good point. Lots of women I find beautiful, does not mean I want to be a beautiful woman. Although I kind of doubt this is a concern for the OP.
You're not going to be "naturally beautiful looking" as you put it with all that surgery. As others have mentioned, the more you have done, the more obvious it is. Every girl wants to be beautiful, but you should concentrate more on looking like yourself.
it depends on your luck on how your body build is.
Easier to add than remove (size, like remove hand size, feet size, shoulder size. Add hip size, breast size).
Face is SO EXTREMELY changeable nowdays, unless it's really manly.
But I dunno, what are you looking for O_o it's mostly about luck I guess and then if you want you can put surgery to work it out from there.
Is your avatar you?
Neither of the girls you posted are that beautiful. A lot of that is photography/photoshop/makeup tricks. Even with that going on, the blonde girl is kinda short and dumpy and definitely nowhere near as beautiful and iconic as a Bridgette Bardot.
Like most have said, the more surgery you have done the more obvious it is that you've had it done. I would just work with what nature gave you and learn to accept yourself and your own style/beauty.
Though if you have 100,000 dollars in expendable income, do what you want. Money in and of itself can make you look pretty good.
Physical beauty is highly over rated, for one thing it fades as you age. For another what looks beautiful to one will be unattractive to another and it's just typical luck that you would do all the work to become a big busted blonde haired blue eyed pin up only to find that you fall for a guy who prefers a flat chested boyish looking women!
I think better to concentrate on looking attractive in your own unique way whilst having a gentleness, generosity and beauty of spirit which will last.
Quote from: SarahFaceDoom on April 06, 2010, 02:36:21 AM
Neither of the girls you posted are that beautiful. A lot of that is photography/photoshop/makeup tricks. Even with that going on, the blonde girl is kinda short and dumpy and definitely nowhere near as beautiful and iconic as a Bridgette Bardot.
Like most have said, the more surgery you have done the more obvious it is that you've had it done. I would just work with what nature gave you and learn to accept yourself and your own style/beauty.
Though if you have 100,000 dollars in expendable income, do what you want. Money in and of itself can make you look pretty good.
yeah lol, money can do anything. I don't have any, but whatever.
I guess I have bad taste in beauty lol, since I think that 1st blonde would be ideal of ideals. Brigitte Bardot would be like a second ideal.
she's a singer, Kerli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF2Hv_fFBsg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF2Hv_fFBsg#)
The true beauty that makes life enjoyable is not beauty of the body but beauty in the spirit and the soul. A beautiful girl actually has a hardship in that people relate to her superficially but a nice looking girl with an up-beat, cheery and friendly personality will always be surrounded by friends who value her for herself. That makes a world of difference as physical beauty fades with age.
I was never a stunning beauty but definitely "cute" and it has always been my personality that people love. 36 years after the fact, I am holding together well for a 61 year old but I have definitely aged - that has had no effect on the number of friends I have (though wolf whistles are not so common any more LOL!)
$100 worth of makeup every 6 months can make up for a $10000 procedure.
Eventually you learn to stop worrying and love the blemish.
Ehhh.... this just totally sucks. I was all hype in being a woman, then it all came crashing down when reality set in, that I probably never will be beautiful. I probably will be passable, but really I cannot afford to get that 100 k surgeries, and I probably will never fix my hands and shoulder sizes.
Well the feeling of being a woman passed again, so I probably won't visit again until that feeling comes again.
Quote from: Megan on April 07, 2010, 03:02:33 AM
Ehhh.... this just totally sucks. I was all hype in being a woman, then it all came crashing down when reality set in, that I probably never will be beautiful. I probably will be passable, but really I cannot afford to get that 100 k surgeries, and I probably will never fix my hands and shoulder sizes.
Well the feeling of being a woman passed again, so I probably won't visit again until that feeling comes again.
What's more important?
Being a woman or being beautiful?
Interestingly Roger Vadim, who was married to several 'beautiful' women, including BB made the comment that they were so insecure it took hours to leave the house for a party etc. They had to look soooo perfect.
But as casorce just said. Passing as a woman is more important to me than having people drool.
Cindy
I would have to say that a lot of times beauty is in the eye of the beholder; so what's pretty to someone isn't always pretty to another person. Also, personality counts. Every girl wants to be pretty, even those who are really pretty -- sometimes it can be harder to see the beauty in yourself that other can see.
As for the 100k, sure, you could probably get a lot of work done then... I think? I never had FFS (although, I wouldn't mind that), but as far as I know it depends on what you wanna get done and where you go. Different ppl are also gonna get different stuff done, and which doc you go to might even vary on what the think you should get done.
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Quote from: CindyJames on April 07, 2010, 04:12:16 AM
But as casorce just said. Passing as a woman is more important to me than having people drool.
Cindy
Very true!
Quote from: casorce on April 07, 2010, 03:56:50 AM
What's more important?
Being a woman or being beautiful?
Well that's a hard question, since I sometimes get feelings of being a woman, and then they go away. It's a come and go type deal for me, and I wish it was constant so I would know what direction to go. If I were a woman now, then I probably doubt I want to be a guy unless it was a cute guy.
But beauty to me is something very important to me, since I want people to drool (males and females alike). So if I had to choose; it would be beauty, since I can just go to a gay club and have men drooling over me as a guy, rather than be an ugly woman going into a straight club and being ignore.
I see an average guy in the mirror right now. I do not hate what I see, so that's why I do not know if I am transsexual at all. I just want the way society see me differently. I am probably not transsexual at all then... but rather just crazy which is far worse than transsexualism.
I can't even make sense of myself. But then I could be transsexual, since when I was a child I played with barbies, dressed in a skirt (in private though), worn a wig, and played with the make up. I am feminine by nature, but if I have to live in this body as a male only then I wouldn't die of depression either. It's really being ugly that will cause my depression, and I am not ugly as is. And I worked on my body, then I could be a hot man.
I'll take this opportunity to remind you that youth and beauty are fleeting; they don't last.
If you fixate on these things, what will you do when both are gone?
Quote from: casorce on April 07, 2010, 03:29:22 PM
I'll take this opportunity to remind you that youth and beauty are fleeting; they don't last.
If you fixate on these things, what will you do when both are gone?
Life extension procedures, or live in part-time state of virtual reality with the large virtual community as a young beautiful woman after the wrinkles set in
** in consideration of future technology
And at the same time, just be hungry for wealth as a business owner so I can live in utter comfort. I first have to make a business. But if not rich or successful then back to virtual reality it is.
I think I can maintain youth till 38-40, and beauty until 50-55 though. That's how my family ages.
Quote from: Megan on April 07, 2010, 03:34:56 PM
Life extension procedures, or live in permanent state of virtual reality with the large virtual community as a young beautiful woman after the wrinkles set in
** in consideration of future technology
You'll want to get started early then:
http://secondlife.com (http://secondlife.com)
Quote from: casorce on April 07, 2010, 03:38:01 PM
You'll want to get started early then:
http://secondlife.com (http://secondlife.com)
I already have an account in that game, been playing it since summer of 2008, I was a virtual stripper and made some good cash, but spent it all on the clothes lol.
Haven't been playing lately since I am expecting mycosm.com to be release, but no chance of that in the near future.
Megan ... have you considered what it actually feels like to be an extraordinarily beautiful woman ... or how men react to seeing a woman who looks like that? I write books that are published around the world and readers often contact me, just to talk about the books and (hopefully!) why they like them. Last year I was contacted online by a young woman who'd read a couple of my books and had questions about the characters and stories. We exchanged a couple of messages and the she told me she was a model. Specifically, she'd been a Playboy centrefold, and was now into more conventional fashion and advertising work.
This girl was unbelievably beautiful. Off-the-chart. And the effect of her looks was incredible. Her life consisted of being hit on, all the time, wherever she went ... by women as well as men. One of the reasons we got on very well was that I didn't hit on her, but actually took her seriously (I never explained exactly WHY I didn't hit on her ... we never got THAT close!!). It turned out she was incredibly smart, very original thinking, very funny, but 99.99% of people never found out about that - or even gave a ->-bleeped-<- - because all they ever wanted to do was shag her. She knew this and was very cynical about it and very disillusioned.
She could also, just like those wives of Roger Vadim that Cindy J was talking about, be surprisingly insecure about her appearance. She had very, very conflicted feelings about the enormous gap between how she was perceived and how she actually felt about herself. In some respects she was incredibly confident, because she knew exactly the effect her beauty had on everyone around her. In other respects, she was crippled inside.
My point is, sure, it's great to be good-looking. But there is a price to be paid for being really beautiful. From everything you've read, I get the feeling that this obsession with being beautiful is almost a way of covering up much deeper uncertainties about how you really feel, or even what you really are. Trust me, beauty won't help you figure any of that out.
So get your head straight. Then worry about your pretty face!