Ok soo Im not sure if any of you have had this filling.. I belive in a god and i belive in some kind of hevan. But as i dont now it worry me so much about dieing and the after life. Latley i can even sleep and its all im thinking about, I am not having secend thoughts of what im doing i now its right but any of u belive god made us this may to make it are life to become who we need to become. I scard cuz you hear so meny people say god hates you for being gay ect ect... any help?? anyone
Please contact metropolitan church of christ. (I am not a chistian but if I was I would be part of that church.)
It is a LGBT positive space.
Talk to the pastor and let him know your concerns.
Bassed on my reading and interpritation of scripture gay sex is only prohibited to men. Not women or eunichs.(trans)
(my 0.02$ It is kinda hard to be 'gay' when you are part girl and part guy dontcha think?)
I do not believe that Christ would give a crap if anyone is gay. (if Christ is indeed the god) He has bigger fish to fry.....
Blahh! Don't listen to these people. One min they're saying God loves everyone equally and next they're saying God hates homosexuals. Hypocrites? Definetly. Don't let it get to you.
I don't believe in god but I think that if there was one that he would be fine with LGBT people. I find it hard to believe that a god that can make the world and people and stuff would hate on gays, he made them. If being gay or trans was wrong I think we would be able to feel that it was wrong.
Quote from: Nathan. on June 25, 2010, 10:24:49 AM
I don't believe in god but I think that if there was one that he would be fine with LGBT people. I find it hard to believe that a god that can make the world and people and stuff would hate on gays, he made them. If being gay or trans was wrong I think we would be able to feel that it was wrong.
Yeh i guess thats a gd way of putting it..
I personally do not believe in god, but similar as said before, if there was a god,I don't think he would create people to hate them. Thus, he would not hate people who fall under the LGBT spectrum.
I don't believe in God per-say, but I don't think God would really care if someone was gay or any variation of. The whole "he made us in his image" pops into my head and "thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven" also pops into my head. So...really...we're just doing what he programed us to do. Granted, I don't believe in the "good" God of the New Testament and I'm more for the God in the Old Testament.
I believe in God, and so does my mother, she is a stronger christian then I am, and she asked me if I thought I would go to hell for what I'm doing, I told her that "I'm worried I will go to hell" and she told me that I wouldn't, that God wouldn't do that.. she did say that I would be my true self in heaven, a girl.. but I don't believe that... I don't think spirits have genders, but if they do I know my spirt is male
after thinking about it more, I know God loves me.. and maybe he knew that I would be transgendered.. people say this all the time "God doesn't make mistakes, you were supposed to be a girl thats why god made you one" well maybe he did make us females, but maybe it was gods plan for us to go on this transition. Or maybe its my own hopeful thinking.
there is a verse in the bible, I forget what it is, but it goes along the lines of saying that ANYONE who accepts God and Jesus will go to heaven, and I believe in that.
I feel that transition is our personal challenge from god/des. We are being tested to see if we will be true to self in the face of adversity.
If we're referring to the God of the Christian Bible, its important to note that homosexuality, of the variety referred to in the Bible, was actually pederasty.
Homosexuality, as it exists today [consenting relationships between persons of the same gender, who are of age to consent] is not what the Bible referred to. In those times, homosexuality was almost exclusively what we would now consider pederasty or child molestation; that is, an older man involved in an almost exclusively physical relationship with a young boy [think NAMBLA].
Careful reading of the original languages of the Bible, and understanding of the culture at the time, makes clear that they are not referring to our conception of homosexuality at all, in their condemnations. They're referring to things that we, in fact, would all consider immoral- child rape.
It might also be important to note that a lot of things Christian churches teach today were put in there to get people afraid into going or giving their money to them. Being married before sex, sin, hell, anti-homosexuality, etc... a lot of these things Christ would have and did not agree with. A lot of it was people deciding the rules after the fact instead of actually listening to how the guy really was and intended.
Lachlann's right.
Don't listen to these people. If there is such a place called hell why would people go there for being or finding love?
Why would two people be condemed for bringing companionship to each other?
These same idiots who spread these lies also tell us that we should go to war. That says more about their motives than anything.
Quote from: spacial on June 25, 2010, 03:22:24 PM
Lachlann's right.
Don't listen to these people. If there is such a place called hell why would people go there for being or finding love?
Why would two people be condemed for bringing companionship to each other?
These same idiots who spread these lies also tell us that we should go to war. That says more about their motives than anything.
Actually, I think they're the ones saying we shouldn't go war (I'm thinking of the Westboro Baptist Church and a couple of other churches) and that "God" doesn't like soldiers, etc.
Quote from: cynthialee on June 25, 2010, 08:47:52 AM
I do not believe that Christ would give a crap if anyone is gay. (if Christ is indeed the god) He has bigger fish to fry.....
exactly - he came to give the message of the SPIRIT - not to judge the flesh or how the spirit feels comfortable in flesh.
I like to think there is a greater power or purpose out there, whatever it may be, but I doubt it would be comprehensible to us, or discriminate against us for what, compared to it, would be quite petty. If there is a God as described in the many different bibles - and it's difficult to know which is correct, anyway - I don't imagine a being that supposedly loves all people would banish innocents to eternal fire. And if God happened to do such a thing, I'd want nothing to do with him... and perhaps I am bold enough to admit that.
Quote from: spacial on June 25, 2010, 03:22:24 PM
Lachlann's right.
Don't listen to these people. If there is such a place called hell why would people go there for being or finding love?
Why would two people be condemed for bringing companionship to each other?
These same idiots who spread these lies also tell us that we should go to war. That says more about their motives than anything.
Quote from: Shang on June 25, 2010, 03:28:34 PM
Actually, I think they're the ones saying we shouldn't go war (I'm thinking of the Westboro Baptist Church and a couple of other churches) and that "God" doesn't like soldiers, etc.
I think you guys are both right to be honest. Different churches and eras of churches all had different ideas and forms of extremism.
Wars get started over greed and ego. Beliefs get tied into that, but in the end it's about the greed and the ego that these people have and it's all been channeled negatively. These are the people who don't get it. Christ wouldn't care what land who has in position, he's the one who made it, he can take it back whenever he wants. Unfortunately, sometimes we have to go to war to stop a war or to defend ourselves. It's a vicious cycle.
But I think disrespecting soldiers is low too. I think the Westboro Baptist Church and others like it are just as hateful and damaging. But the thing is, we can't forget that other churches and religions are at war right now either. Some churches/religions are anti-war to the point of being too extreme and other ones are starting them. But it's all a scapegoat to greed or ego. When you get down to it, the general message of most of these religions is that war and killing are wrong, but these people are corrupted.
I started trying to transition a little over 4 years ago, but I stopped partly because I was Catholic at the time and I thought it was a sin and whatnot (that's not the whole reason, but it played a significant part). I'm Jewish now and I'm a fairly liberal Jew, so me and most of the members of my congregation are sure God is fine with it (if any don't believe that, they haven't said anything). I believe in reincarnation and some of the rabbis teach that Jewish souls can be reincarnated into non-Jewish bodies for different reasons (everything from getting the opportunity to choose Judaism on one's own by converting instead of just being born in to having been so scared by atrocities done to you in a previous life that you're afraid to be born Jewish). They way I figure it, if Jewish souls can be born into non-Jewish bodies and converting back to Judaism is considered good and reaffirming, maybe male souls can be born into female bodies and can "convert" back to being male. But then again this won't help most of you since Christianity (and most Jews for that matter) doesn't believe in reincarnation. It's just how I see it based on my beliefs.
The bibles are written by people and the passages are edited by Christian leaders these days. If we were to believe every bible that is out there is God's word then he must be a real hypocrite, right? So, I believe in the statement that God loves everyone equally and he is NOT going to send homosexuals to hell cause God is our father, we are his children and ever since we were in our mothers womb he has planned our destiny and fate. For us, he has planned that we're meant to be the opposite gender but he has put in a different body to see if we could overcome these barriers that he has placed in front of us. All we got to do is be true to ourselves, build a wall around us and keep moving forward. God is the strength, power and the courage inside all of us. So NO, I don't think we're going to hell at all.
The bottom line is that it is PEOPLE who are saying "God hates". It says everything about those people, and nothing at all about God.
Quote from: M.Grimm on June 26, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
The bottom line is that it is PEOPLE who are saying "God hates". It says everything about those people, and nothing at all about God.
God knows how it feels to have the wrong body (churches) represent how he feels. It does not feel good to live a lie. they make God look bad to people who are unfamiliar with him. the Spirit part of God is addressed in the bible as He, she and it in different part of the bible. so what does that say about God.
I'm Orthodox Christian, like most people in my country.
Sometimes I believe in God, sometimes I don't - don't know how to explain that. When you've seen and heard things like I have (and I mostly think about things that had happened on Balkans in the last decades) - you have to ask "Where He was to stop that?"
I like to say "I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him."
Don't listen to those people who told you that God hates LGBT community. I don't think so.
I like to believe that we were made like this so we could show how strong we are. And if there's heaven and hell I don't believe God will send us to hell just because we changed our bodies. I was taught that only bad and evil people go to hell. So if you're a good person - I think you don't have to be afraid.
Im not really afrod of hevan or hell.. Im more afrod if there isnt one. always have been, For some reson i have had very bad agsierty over this and am going to my doc 2morrow to see what she can do as i fill like this thought is taking over my life and it somthinik i dont need at this time in my life i dont now why i so scared of death well im not scared of dieing everyone has to die fuill stop Im scard of what comes after.. I do belive in ghosts as storys iv been told but friends and family. Huh maybe im just in a deprrestion and agsierty stage right now
being transsexual and being a Christian are not in any way things that clash...
Instead of looking at transsexuality as a "choice" (like a few very conservative churches consider homosexuality to be), it is more like a physical defect instead of a psychological one. I would liken it to a person born blind or deaf.
If you say that ->-bleeped-<- is not natural, you might as well say being deaf is not natural... most people are not deaf and ears were made for the purpose of hearing. However, being born deaf is a physical defect and is not anyone's fault. It is not by any action of that person that they are deaf, and it is no use blaming God for it because it's not "wrong" to be deaf, it's just an unfortunate natural thing that happens sometimes. Like that, a transgendered person has naturally (and quite unfortunately) been born with the physical defect of having the plumbing of the opposite gender. As medicine advances, like a blind person might get corrective surgery or someone without legs might get a prosthesis, the problem of a transgendered person may be alleviated medically.
I think the negative image comes from when someone says, "transsexual", conservative minds automatically jump to images of cabaret shows or other kinds of night entertainment that isn't usually considered wholesome. However, those are just the transgendered people that stand out and get press. Just as there are "normal people" strip shows and pornography, that doesn't mean that we can assume every "normal" person is lustful and partakes in sinful actions. It is the exact same with transgendered individuals. Just because someone is born "normal", that doesn't mean they will be any more responsible or close to God than a person with gender issues
If you're an LGBT Christian and in need of Christian spiritual guidance and counseling, you should find your nearest Episcopal Church or United Church of Christ.
Quote from: emoglassesenvy on July 09, 2010, 05:26:19 AM
being transsexual and being a Christian are not in any way things that clash...
Instead of looking at transsexuality as a "choice" (like a few very conservative churches consider homosexuality to be), it is more like a physical defect instead of a psychological one. I would liken it to a person born blind or deaf.
If you say that ->-bleeped-<- is not natural, you might as well say being deaf is not natural... most people are not deaf and ears were made for the purpose of hearing. However, being born deaf is a physical defect and is not anyone's fault. It is not by any action of that person that they are deaf, and it is no use blaming God for it because it's not "wrong" to be deaf, it's just an unfortunate natural thing that happens sometimes. Like that, a transgendered person has naturally (and quite unfortunately) been born with the physical defect of having the plumbing of the opposite gender. As medicine advances, like a blind person might get corrective surgery or someone without legs might get a prosthesis, the problem of a transgendered person may be alleviated medically.
I think the negative image comes from when someone says, "transsexual", conservative minds automatically jump to images of cabaret shows or other kinds of night entertainment that isn't usually considered wholesome. However, those are just the transgendered people that stand out and get press. Just as there are "normal people" strip shows and pornography, that doesn't mean that we can assume every "normal" person is lustful and partakes in sinful actions. It is the exact same with transgendered individuals. Just because someone is born "normal", that doesn't mean they will be any more responsible or close to God than a person with gender issues
The world could use more people like you. There are those people who get offended by trans people because they are implying that god made a mistake and that they are going to hell.
When it comes down to it, I think the only real "problem" God would have with homosexuals is if they put their sexual desires before Him. I think that society and homophobes have blown homosexuality out of proportion. If you are a Believer, then you're most likely trying to put God first no matter what your sexual orientation.. and I'm pretty sure that's what matters most. As far as being trans and having a relationship with God, I feel like it's pretty much the same.. though I know that being trans and fostering any relationship can be difficult at times.
The whole "God made you the way He made you for a reason" thing can be taken many different ways. It could go, "God made me trans and I'm going to fulfill my transition", there's the, "Being trans is an obstacle that I need to overcome and learn to live my life in the body and gender role that is expected of me", and I'm sure there a a load of other perspectives as well.
The point is, if you believe, then talk to God about it. Keep the line of communication open, and do what you feel is best.
-Lex
I was thinking that same thing some time ago...
And, I say this short, because nobody would read long text I almost sent haha...
So... being transsexual, it's like living in a lie... in a big lie. It causes strong pain inside and might lead the person commit suicide! I don't think God would want anyone suffer like that... and not commit the suicide!
And hey... here, in my country, we even have transsexual (MTF) priest! If God would hate us so much, I don't think she could have continue her work for Him! ;)
I've grown up as a member of a Catholic church, and still believe many of the things that are taught there; I also am an FTM. I see nothing to the contrary there. I may disagree in some of the things I've been taught, but I still consider myself Catholic. Just because I disagree with some of the things the Church teaches doesn't mean I don't believe in God. I actually consider myself more religious than some of my non-trans peers.
I guess my point is there is nothing wrong with being trans and still believe in God, and there also is nothing wrong with disagreeing with some of the things that your church teaches. I just think that it is important that you know who you are and what you believe in.
Quote from: cynthialee on June 25, 2010, 01:07:41 PMI feel that transition is our personal challenge from god/des. We are being tested to see if we will be true to self in the face of adversity.
I believe this too. Though I still get mad at God sometimes over the situation.
If there is a God, an all knowing all powerful omnipotent being.....
Hating people for being gay would be really a waste of.. wow, just a waste. Hating people for doing what they believe in would be worse. I think instead that kind of being either wouldn't care at all or would appreciate somewhat.
Anyways, it's people who define god and what god "wants" and "says"... People do things to get what they want and this fear is useful.
Just do what you feel you have to do, be a good person and if there is someone who is watching over people and sorting them between haven and hell then they will say that you were a good person and let you in haven.. no one will be sent to hell for being something, they would be sent there for doing something wrong. Fixing your self, your "soul" if you have one and your never ending agony is simply not wrong.
I don't like to be any part a religion, I just read the Bible and do what god says. I think the reason I'm like this has something to do with strength and to help people realize there are different people out there and to accept it and like any other person he wants us to serve him, God said he made us in his image so to me that seems like he has guy and girl parts and he seperated them into different beings. Our parents make the body XX and XY chromosones so that are bodies will be male or female, god gives us the soul which is also male and female or maybe not but this is my opinion. God wants us to be happy and he will make us happy if we serve him, he gave knowledge to humans so why would he give the knowledge of how to make a bio male female, and a bio female male if he hated us, I hear some people say Satan shows them how to do that but god has the power to cancel out everything Satan does, he can also make it fail.
I'm a rebel-without-a-cause ->-bleeped-<- as well as an atheist myself, but even when I was religious I figured a God who would make people a certain way and then hate them for it wasn't worth our love. If God's worth your love, God doesn't hate you for who you are.