Ok so, now that I'll have to talk with my dad, he might ask the golden question: How much?
I've been thinking about it, and this is what I'd like to get done:
HRT (Obviously, duh)
Rib Cage remodeling (With custom corset)
Hair removal
Singing or voice modulation lessons
FFS (But I want to see the possible effects of HRT after 2 years or something)
Breast Augmentation (Same as above, I want to wait until HRT gives me results)
Trach Shaving
SRS
Let's say that I wanna get all of that done with professionals (Specially SRS, I heard Brassard is one of the best surgeons out there). If everything goes as planned, and my dad gives me full financial support, money is not a problem so...
How much would I be spending on this?
I was estimating an amount around $85,000USD - $120,000USD but, if you people could help me to get a better approximation, I'd appreciate it.
Kate Craig-Wood gives a cost breakdown of her transition here:
www.iwanttobeagirl.org/kate-transition.html (http://www.iwanttobeagirl.org/kate-transition.html)
It's in pounds and from a British perspective but she had her cosmetic surgery in the States
With Love
Laura
When I get into my heavy duty, all or nothing, needs perfection; I was thinking in the lines of 100 k.
If you're going to do it, and you have the means to do it... do 150 k. Look like a Barbie Doll, but even better.
Look like a young Victoria Secret Model
1)Breast Implants; get D's
2) Go to Thailand and get hip implants
3) Get lip permanent augmentation by the best (this can really turn ugly otherwise)
4) Jaw fixed, chin contour
5) Nose job; slender and turned up
6) Eyebrow lift; bleached them, and then get them somewhat shape (i don't like thin eyebrows just normal and feminine)
7)Forehead contoured
8) Laser skin resurfacing on all the scars
9) THE SRS
10) Trach shaving
11) Bleached blonde hair and extensions by the best, bleaching every 2-3 weeks on roots
12) The Ribcage thing
13) voice lessons then surgery if all fails
14) Removal of hair all over the body except eyebrows, and scalp; electrolyzed it!
15) Cheek implants if needed (i don't need this)
16) Butt implants; asked for tight and bubbly
17) liposuction all the fat from the stomach, any of it
18) Healthy diet, and strict exercise regime for a year
19) Tanned skin by a professional yearly
20) ear reshapen if you need this
21) Bleached the teeth to perfection, veneers if needed too
I think this will cover the basics....
Still if you're ugly or 6'2 with a large bone structure, you'll never be perfect. You'll be better off trying a different route than what I would do if I were to transition.
Just be realistic on what you can accomplish, I personally want to look like a mix of Jenna Jameson-Britney Spears-Brigitte Bardot- Jennifer Love Hewitt (her face mostly). ... then I want to add a cute factor like Meranda Kerr and Adriana Lima... to not look too sexy like a Sex Object, but then become beautiful. It's like beauty and the sexy factor need to balance or else you look like a Transsexual trying too hard.
I want to be able to walk into a strip club, and blow away the competition, like "Dammmmmnnnn sho for sure iz she fall from heaven or whatzzz", "Omg..." "Dang", ALL the men turned around and stare at me...
"CAN YOU WORK FOR US!!!"
"Ahhhhhhhhhh, yes,ahhhh oooo, I need to dance move aside girls"
"Dammm" the whole audience staring in a trance....
yep...
Forget the whole Jenna Jameson-britney blah blah
I'll be aiming for ANAHI
Anahí Me Hipnotizas (Clipe oficial) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWX53Kv0Xc#noexternalembed-ws)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi181.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx80%2FIVANA900151314%2Fmia.jpg&hash=c5d51ea491123c5285c1c8509cf6a1711a3ea6b4)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi133.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq44%2Fmueco36%2Fanaiv6.jpg&hash=405e3bd5ba11737e454c3c0cc5e60e177d6b7bd1)
wow :o :o :o
is she tg woman also?
My costs back in the 1990's where around the £40k mark if you took everything into account HRT, surgeries, therapist fees etc, etc..
My middle-aged tweaks I suspect will cost all told much the same, when you dial in airfares/hotels etc I'm just getting FFS/facelift quotes at the mo......
So if you want the very best in surgical help.....you will need some available cash-king clout....
I'd guess a ballpark today of £40-80k ($65k-$130k) if paying yourself is going to do it....
Though the NHS will do some for free, but there's the wait..... and I wouldn't bank on this being so as the austerity measures kick in....it will be viewed as non-essential....say to booming Diabetes needs...
Quote from: Cruelladeville on October 07, 2010, 03:56:09 AM
My costs back in the 1990's where around the £40k mark if you took everything into account HRT, surgeries, therapist fees etc, etc..
My middle-aged tweaks I suspect will cost all told much the same, when you dial in airfares/hotels etc I'm just getting FFS/facelift quotes at the mo......
So if you want the very best in surgical help.....you will need some available cash-king clout....
I'd guess a ballpark today of £40-80k ($65k-$130k) if paying yourself is going to do it....
Though the NHS will do some for free, but there's the wait..... and I wouldn't bank on this being so as the austerity measures kick in....it will be viewed as non-essential....say to booming Diabetes needs...
Blimey! I'm either a complete cheapskate then or I was very lucky - because INCLUDING my recent revision I have only ever spent in total £12,000 tops! :laugh:
And yes I was a private patient - not an NHS'er like Alison
Probably Jen...
Because you just had one main op back then and one more recently.....?
If you have multiple procedures like Boobs and a trach shave, then say face work it all adds up....
And the cost now with international travel on the cards for many....it ain't cheap....
All of us would be thrilled if it were.....
Quote from: lauraspeirs81 on October 07, 2010, 01:38:51 AM
Kate Craig-Wood gives a cost breakdown of her transition here:
www.iwanttobeagirl.org/kate-transition.html (http://www.iwanttobeagirl.org/kate-transition.html)
It's in pounds and from a British perspective but she had her cosmetic surgery in the States
With Love
Laura
Kate's numbers are very interesting ... I was wondering how she'd managed to get FFS from Ousterhout for £23K but then I realised that exchange rates were probably close to $2.00/£1.00 at the time ... Personally, I'm allowing £100K for the whole damn shooting match, including new wardrobe, new teeth and major hair transplant work on top of all the usual stuff ... It's an enormous amount of money and I'm extremely guilt-ridden about the idea of spending so much on myself rather than my family (one of the reasons I'm still shilly-shallying about starting the whole process for real) ... then again, I've spent 25-odd years working for my wife and kids. Presumably I'm allowed to get something for myself eventually?
One thing I do know is that the best thing a TS can have is youth. The second best thing is a naturally small frame and neat features. And if you don't have either of those, and happen to be middle-aged and six feet tall, then it sure as hell helps to have money.
Of course, Iceprincess, you may be in the blessed position of being young, cute and blessed with a rich daddy. in which case, YOU GO, GIRL!! :)
@ Valerie.....lol
*exercise and diet can take care of most of our needs to get into the normal feminine ranges*
This reminds me of a very funny vid from one of my fave UK tv shows...
Fast Show No Offense Woman 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLNSjd3F-Xw#)
No offense....!
Quote from: Iceprincess on October 06, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
Ok so, now that I'll have to talk with my dad, he might ask the golden question: How much?
I've been thinking about it, and this is what I'd like to get done:
HRT (Obviously, duh)
Rib Cage remodeling (With custom corset)
Singing or voice modulation lessons
FFS (But I want to see the possible effects of HRT after 2 years or something)
Breast Augmentation (Same as above, I want to wait until HRT gives me results)
Trach Shaving
SRS
HRT - I pay about $20/mo for estradiol. I didn't find progesterone did anything. My cost for spiro pre-GRS was about $30/mo
BA - Cohesive gel implants was $6,500.
FFS - $18,900 which included face & neck lift, upper lip lift, brow reduction and trach shave
GRS - $14,000 US but the exchange rate with Canada was very favorable then. In CN dollars it was a bit over $18,000 in March of 2009.
Electrolysis - $80/hour. Estimated 125 hours needed. I've had about 30 to date.
So that's $39,400 for surgeries - not including traveling - $2,400 for electrolysis, so far, and three years HRT.
I'd add about another $5,000 for related costs and just-in-case money.
- HRT makes sense
- Rib Cage Remodeling, that's the first I've ever heard of that. Is it really necessary?
- Voice Therapy, not entirely necessary. Thousands of MtF train their voices using inexpensive and even free resources.
- FFS, despite what they usually think, a lot of girls don't actually need this. I've even seen a few cases where they looked better before FFS
- Boobs, I think you're better off being patient and seeing what HRT can do for you.
- Trachea Shave, May actually be necessary.
- SRS, that's a given.
- Hair Removal Necessary in most cases
bye
If you just came out to your dad, there is probably a lot of ground to cover before you hit him for money. I think that at this time, deep and enduring acceptance is probably the biggest gift he can give you.
HRT, hair removal, and GRS are probably necessary. The rest are nice-to-haves. (If that's you in the avatar, FFS and trach shave don't look at all necessary.) Rib cage remodeling can cause problems – don't rush into it. (And do you really want to wear a corset all the time?) Even if money is not an issue, be careful not to become a surgery junkie. Is your goal to live as the woman you are? Or is it to be someone you are not?
Easy, girl. This is a process that takes time. I know that you want it all done not later than next week, but take your time to do it right. It'll pay off in the long run.
- Kate
bye
Quote from: Smith on October 07, 2010, 03:53:47 AM
wow :o :o :o
is she tg woman also?
She's a Latina actress and singer, most well known in my neck of the woods for playing a major role in the telenovela "Rebelde" and its accompanying singing group RBD.
FFS about $36,000 including the stay out of town for 2 weeks. GRS was about $19,000 including the stay. BA was an additional $6500. I spent about $12,000 more in laser and electro.
All in all it costs a fortune when you factor in lost wages and a career.
Was it worth? It was what I had to do in order to bring peace in my life, and eliminate my GID and physical misfortune.
So, I guess, it costs a fortune to wipe the slate clear of our misfortune!
Can you say, transition early anyone?
Cruelladeville
Thanks for the Fast Show clip. I loved that program as well.
I've always wondered if it is understood by non-Britons.
I think, if anyone ever asked for a defination of British humour, that would be it.
Isn't there a credit card advert.
That ends up: 'Too see the look on their face; priceless'
:laugh: :laugh:
No matter what we are and no matter what people think; think very carefully. We need to live in this body. We have made a decision to change it to match our gender. If your decision is to make it match a barbie doll, maybe not a good idea.
BTW fully know that wasn't in the original post, and I'm not meaning to be offensive to anyone. But we will still be the brain behind the mask. We just hope the mask fits this time.
Now for the derailing bit (sorry) do superheroes/ines fit their costumes? Our the opposite?
Hi Dr, I'm Batman. Yikes.
Most of us maybe OK with; Hi Dr ,I'm Wonderwoman. Sorry Guys MtF thread but feel free to join.
The incredible Hulk? H,i I need a pair of undies that go from size 12 to size 20,000 in seconds. Oh, and the penile area has to be very extra reinforced. Damn. ::)
Sorry, Ignore me (at your peril)
Cindy: feeling good, coming out of depressions quicker and quicker
Hugs Friends
yeah... I agree with kate and indeed others.
You can do too much.
The basics are
HRT (no idea what this costs because in the UK its free, and even in the US I think it is covered postop by health plans)
SRS - at today's prices maybe £12000 / $18000
and hair removal - unless you are very lucky I am guessing that you will spend between £3000 and £6000 - in other words $4500 to $9000 depending on how much hair you have.
The optionals are all nice to have if you need them, but not everyone does, and indeed not everyone of of us wants to change our looks to that extent.
I was quite happy to remain visibly the same person - just a female version of them instead of a male one.
Because I was intersex (even if I didn't realise it at that time) before I kind of looked 75% male and 25% female. Now I just look 75% female and 25% male - and there LOADS of natal women like me wandering around who have some degree of masculinity - some even more so than me! So without wanting to offend anyone I really do think that if anything I look far more natural than some of the UBER femmes who have gone out and had FFS and all the other junk!
Some people however do want to lose any trace of masculinity. That is a much more difficult thing to do and yes if that is your aim then the cost rises. My question would be is it worth it? Because no one questions my femaleness.
A small point......HRT is not free for me on the NHS or for everyone...?
It costs me almost £20 every six weeks or so.....
Though I do know you can pay a one off annual payment up-front....but that's still hundreds of quids...lol
But maybe if you're on a disability allowance, or a pensioner....or one of the other let-orfs....
Quote from: Cruelladeville on October 08, 2010, 06:15:36 AM
A small point......HRT is not free for me on the NHS or for everyone...?
It costs me almost £20 every six weeks or so.....
Though I do know you can pay a one off annual payment up-front....but that's still hundreds of quids...lol
But maybe if you're on a disability allowance, or a pensioner....or one of the other let-orfs....
Doh! I kind of forget that prescriptions have a charge.
Although actually it doesn't cost me that much because a long time back I cunningly got my GP into the habit of prescribing at least a 6 months supply at a time - so I end up paying less than £30 a year, which is so low a cost that I kind of forget it. (I originally sold him the idea that it would save him time, and save me having to come into surgery thereby incurring time and transport costs)
It might be easier to justify because I am on such a low dosage now, but he does do the same for Alison too.
My FFS cost me about 11,500 USD. (Could have been cheaper if I didn't have it in two operations, but thought I could be happy without the forehead fix)
My Estrofem cost me about 10-11 USD a month.
My Androcur cost me about 21 USD a month (will drop after SRS).
My SRS will either be free or cost me an unknown price if I decide not to do it in Israel for free.
After SRS I will only have Androcur for 21 USD a month.
I doubt I will be having BA. Do wonder about what can be done about the hips though...?
Quote from: Myself on October 08, 2010, 02:29:18 PM
After SRS I will only have Androcur for 21 USD a month.
NO!
Sorry by this is
really important! After SRS you DO NOT take androcur - that is only taken whilst you have testes and therefore have a source of androgens. Androcur is an androgen blocker.
It is the estrofem that continues after SRS - although at a vastly reduced dosage.
The Androcur ceases immediately. Taking Androcur after your testes have been removed could have serious consequences!
Hi Iceprincess, :)
I think that the costs involved will depend so much on how well hrt goes for you as a lot of the money will be for FFS and BA. As you are young and from what I saw of your picture, blessed with some stunning features, it might not cost as much as someone like Kate. I was a little disturbed by that breakdown as I had decided to wait for the U.K health system to provide my SRS but she does have some very strong views about the British surgeons :o
> My counseling was paid for by insurance.
> My HRT, including monitoring my levels, cost about $200 a year, although less after GRS. The balance was paid by insurance. (Incidently, they never balked at providing me hormones while still legally male.)
> I went to a voice coach at the university. She gave me tips which I have practiced on my own. She never charged me. (I'm a good friend of her father-in-law, but I think she would have done it for free anyway.)
> Hair removal will probably cost in the neighborhood of $10K, much of which is because I had a lot of gray in my beard and so needed (and still need) a lot of electrolysis.
> GRS and tracheal shave (done at the same time) cost about $28K, including all expenses (flying my daughter to Trinidad, etc.).
> I doubt that I will get a BA. I'm already as big as my sister after 17 months HRT.
> I won't get FFS or any of the other stuff. I'm not young and in competition on the basis of my looks (thank goodness :P), and everyone sees me as a woman already.
> I spent a lot for a new wardrobe and grooming, but that's a highly variable cost. There's also legal costs to change name and sex, plus incidental costs.
So, my transition probably cost me, in US dollars (not counting emotional costs and all that) between $40,000 and $50,000. A bargain, for receiving my life in exchange. :)
- Kate
Quote from: Iceprincess on October 06, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
I was estimating an amount around $85,000USD - $120,000USD but, if you people could help me to get a better approximation, I'd appreciate it.
I think your estimate is on the high end, but it could cost that much depending on the surgeon(s). I'd say between $75,000 - $100,000. I don't have any experience with rib cage remodeling though and advise against it (although that may be better as a separate discussion).
Rib removal is a defo a desperate way to go more hour-glass style....
As it involves cutting lower ribs from the spine.....(eeergh no I don;t think so).... and the complication rate is v.bad from what I've read....including breathing pain.... and back problems too....
Ditto there is no realistic hip-widening once your adult skeleton is set....
Which is why getting those girlie hormones in as young as poss sooooo helps....pre sixteen if legally approved....lol
sorry if i miss the bus.
but i heard someone said HRT in UK is free? is it true..?
Quote from: clairezoey on October 24, 2010, 03:32:12 PM
sorry if i miss the bus.
but i heard someone said HRT in UK is free? is it true..?
All health care is free in the sense that we don't pay for it directly but we do have one of the largest tax burdens in the world, so in that sense, yes it is free but the system is very slow. I am going private for my hrt at the moment while I'm waiting for the NHS system to catch up. >:(
Dr. Mcginn has all of her prices listed on her website if you're curious on some numbers. http://www.drchristinemcginn.com (http://www.drchristinemcginn.com)
These massive numbers seem a bit on the high side honestly...
HRT - $105/mo
$15/mo estradiol
$15/mo spiro
$30/mo prometrium
$45/mo evamist
Hair Removal - Laser
$2100 - 8 sessions + free touch ups forever
GRS w/Mcginn
$17500
Basically for me its $19600+$1200/year with my current meds... For the basic package...
I've never heard of BA or rib removal going over 10k ea...
If you add approx 20k for subsequent surgery it still takes a long time to reach 85k..
Anyways, being young I'd wait till you have some time on hormones (at least a year) before making decisions on major plastic surgery.
Gnarly surgery lists ladies. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum I guess.
For some reason I'm fine with just being a girl on 'Moans. I'll think about GRS in like 10 years. I don't really care- I'd rather spend my money on a trad rack (not a ->-bleeped-<- rack. Oh! My climbing partners and I are making a shirt. A trad rack, incidentally, is climbing gear that you place in the wall on the way up. You carry this gear on your harness. It costs as much as fake boobs too! It's perfect).
My boobs will be however large they decide to be.
I guess I'm just really comfortable being trans. I'm hella butch anyway too, so I guess that's just good for me. I already look like a girl though, so that's pretty sweet. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I find out I have a non externally expressed intersex condition that effects my hormone uptake or something. We'll see. Endocrinology is fascinating!
I'll probably get laser, so like 2400 and touch ups, then whatever HRT costs.
I'm going to be honest here- my focus and happiness aren't really that centered on being a particular version of girl. I just am a lady, and that's all I need. Physical changes that might come with the hormones are great, but the mental changes are really what I'm interested in observing.
I'm going to spend thousands of dollars on a climbing gear before I spend a dime on surgery.
Gotta own it! I'm trans and I'm proud!
EDIT:
I too have seen girlies have FFS and look much less passable afterward. It's a shame. Love your inner goddess and she'll express herself physically in your smile and grace. Your eyes will express your feminine fire and your gaze will light the world with your love.
The light in me sees the light in you. The physical form is subject to change.
Quote from: alia on October 24, 2010, 11:49:42 PM
I'm going to be honest here- my focus and happiness aren't really that centered on being a particular version of girl. I just am a lady, and that's all I need. Physical changes that might come with the hormones are great, but the mental changes are really what I'm interested in observing.
^This.
It is an adjustment for me, though. In the beginning I had a more restricted image of what a woman was (and what kind of woman I wanted to be), but as I settle into it I find that I am just a woman somewhere in the range of normal women and am becoming fine with that.
Don't rush into all the changes. Give yourself time to adjust to the kind of woman you are and can be.
- Kate