Something has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS. It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously.
Is that something you'd want?
That scares me. I would never want the old me erased completely, just feminized. I know some doctors are pretty aggressive and those doctors I will avoid.
What's your feelings? Feminize your face or have a completely different face?
Julie
I am literally unrecognizable by those who knew me previously; as a result, I don't think it would be such a shock for them anyway. The only reason why I would have FFS is, of course, to feminize my features even more. I wouldn't like to have a different face, but if that were the result I get, I would accept it!
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PMWhat's your feelings? Feminize your face or have a completely different face?
I'd prefer to be unambiguously female - whatever it takes - even if that means people don't recognize me anymore. I don't want to be feminized. I need to be *female*. In fact, having people not recognize me would seem like a sign I'd succeeded. No more male me.
I mean heck, as insane as it sounds, I don't recognize me NOW. Know what I mean? Having a completely new, female face WOULD be me - even if it's drastically different than what it is now.
So even if the overall effect is dramatic, I'd still think of it as simply making my face into the female version it was meant to be. Had I been born xx, my brow overhang wouldn't be so pronounced, my chin wouldn't be quite so square, my cheeks wouldn't be so flat... and so on. I see FFS as picking up where HRT leaves off, correcting the things chemicals can't reach. It's ONLY addressing the things xx chromosomes would have given me.
Some of us, I suppose **looks in mirror and sighs**, could USE a new face!
But would I get one on purpose, especially if I had the $$$ to do it? I suppose not because of some of the things I've heard from others regarding how I pass. But if I had an extermely masculine face with a heavy brow ridge, a very square jaw and a bulging adam's apple I would probably want to feminize it even if I was unrecognizable to my closest friends afterwards.
Come to think of it, if I felt uncomfortable with my present visage, as Kate suggests, then being unrecognizable after FFS would be a good thing. No?
hugs & smiles
helen
I just do not want to see male when I look in the mirror. Nothing more, nothing less.
That said, I do not like my natural hair color because it was his hair color, perhaps that illustrates my frame of mind.
Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PMSomething has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS. It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously.
Is that something you'd want?
Gee, like Kenny Rogers? Look at the before and after photos of his facial surgery. I agree with the person who said it's not necessarily about a different face but a feminine one. That is different, but to many transwomen it's a small watershed to find and express themselves. Even some of the famous ones have said they didn't fully see themselves as women until after their ffs. Wouldn't that be what you want?
--Susan--
I'm quite happy with my face, so I don't think that I'll be taking that route. A few guys that I've dated have told me that I have such perfect feminine fetures, like my lips or eyes, so from their point of view, I'll listen to them. :) But that's very goo dpoint theer Julie about the fact that when you do have extensive FFS work done, you are changing your face from what you used to look like, and that there are a lot of people that you knew that won't recognize you.
Love Gina
I've thought about FFS in the past, but I'm pretty happy with how my face looks right now and as long as people are accepting of me, I see no real need to spend thousands of dollars to change it.
Melissa
Quote from: SusanK on December 18, 2006, 06:42:27 AMGee, like Kenny Rogers? Look at the before and after photos of his facial surgery.
--Susan--
That made me think of Bruce Jenner. He went from having a male nose to a very female one. It totally changed his face. His nose is way too small. He doesn't look like the same person. I think it hurt his looks.
That's what would be my biggest concern, would the surgeon make alterations in your face where you lose your 'identity'? I've been looking at this face for 55 years. A dramatic change, where there was no trace of the old me, would be very unsettling. I'd want to have traits that are common in the women in our family, not just look like 'some' woman.
Julie
The way I figure it, after the swelling goes down. I will look the way I was supposed to look only more feminine, like Julie and Melissa, (and others here) I was blessed with a v ery deminine face pre-FFS. SF is ground zero for trans-awarenss and having pretty face but with male features just doesn't cut it here. I too had that worry about losing my identity. It is really an irrational fear. Let's say one was 100 lbs overweight, would one worry about losing the weight because it would make their face dramatically different? Sometimes some of these fears are more or less rationalization.
One thing that needs to be considered is that trans awareness will become more and more prevalent as time goes by, Dr. O told me about several cases in which transwomen had been living for years as feamle, suddnely started getting "sirred" so after living as much as twenty years as female, they decided that they needed FFS.
I was watching Dr Drew the other day on sexual attraction and a Professor from UCLA was mentioning the things that men look for in women. She said first men look at waist to hip ratio, then fullness of lips, after that, a soft jaw line. I was in denial about my jaw, I looked dramatically more feminine witht the forehead and other stuff but the jaw really bugged me. As the sweilling is going down, I can really start to see the difference it's going to make (Dr O saw it before the swelling and said I am going to look really great)
For people like me Pre-ffs, Julie and Melissa,who don't have the severe brow bossing, the jawline can make a big difference, I chose Dr O because I don't want anyone but the best mesing with my face but there are a lot of surgeons who can do sliding genioplasties, probably very well and without spending a fortune.
Heaven knows that my face ain't perfect. Personally, I would like to have a few things done. But....
I have a life with history and many friends and acquaintances. I really don't want a new look for it may generate more questions than I'd like to deal with. I feel the same way about a tracheal shave. People have gotten used to the way I look. And if they do know, because of my neck bump, then I am very lucky indeed to have such great friends.
Besides, at this point in my life, I'd rather be buying toys than have my face done.
Chin up!
cindi
;)
I know that there are a few things I would like done, but I really don't want anymore surgery. It isn't the money as I have enough to do the work and have some implants done. I just don't want anymore surgery. I feel I look fine, people call me by the fem. pronouns so why should I change what I already have. As far as not recognizing me. Some of the people I have worked with and for don't recognize me now. Just today, I was in the store to pick up my meds and the lady who has known me for quite a few years didn't recognize me for a second or two as I had my hair pulled back. She had never seen me with my hair pulled back and I guess it through her for a loop. That didn't cost me any money at all. So I like me.
Sheila
Melissa, you make some excellent point such as where you live and what men look for. The thing is, either people accept me or they don't read me currently. Personally I don't care since I am treated how I want to be treated. Both men and women express attraction to me and I really don't want to alter that. One of my biggest reasons against FFS, is afterwards I may look like a straight woman and then other women would stop giving me the kind of attention I like. With my current weight and the shape of my jaw, it has the effect of making my face come off as more rounded. I'm actually quite heppy with almost all elements of how I appear. Why fix what isn't broken? It would cost lots of money and it is unknown whether the final results would be satisfactory or not. By results, I don't mean whether I look female or not, but rather how I am perceived in general. I've already started relaxing on my voice a bit, because I am feeling more comfortable doing so and not caring as much whether I am read or not. Sorry, but that's just how I feel about my own personal situation.
If it is right for somebody else, I say go for it. I believe that in general acceptance is coming around and if people realize that some of the people who do pass are TS, it may help shape attitudes for the better. I am trying to just be me and not emulate a woman. If I come across as a woman, so be it, if not, then oh well. It seems to be a much less stressful way of living.
Melissa
Quote from: Cindianna_Jones on December 18, 2006, 05:56:13 PMHeaven knows that my face ain't perfect. Personally, I would like to have a few things done. But....
I have a life with history and many friends and acquaintances. I really don't want a new look for it may generate more questions than I'd like to deal with. I feel the same way about a tracheal shave. People have gotten used to the way I look. And if they do know, because of my neck bump, then I am very lucky indeed to have such great friends.
Besides, at this point in my life, I'd rather be buying toys than have my face done.
Chin up!
cindi
;)
This, of course, is a personal choice. There a lot of reasons to have this done or not have this done. Some are rational, some are not so rational or, let's say, unjustified fears. After my first procedure, I got of comments, like did I get my hair done, did you lose a lot more weight, one person asked me if I had had a nose job, which was the one thing I didn't have done.
I was "born a woman" (baby girl actually) I have always been a woman or a girl, IMO opinion, the whole point of transitioning is to have the outer match the inner. If HRT can accomplish that, great. (Heck, I even hear of people who try to transition without HRT!) One last thing, I cannot remember reading of a single person who had FFS that wasn't botched who regretted having it done. Most say it dramatically and completely changed their lives. Count me among those.
Posted on: December 18, 2006, 06:21:05 PM
Melissa, based on your photos, you look fine. You don't have to be sorry that I think a contoured jawline would make you look even more foxy. Funny that you mention the attractiveness to gay female thing, lesbian women seemed to very attracted to my pre-FFS face too.
When I traveled to San Francisco by truck from Miami, (two years ago) I was really worried that I would be arrested using the ladies rooms in places like Mississippi and Alabama ( I still had M on my DL) To my surprise, when I stoppped off for gas at these convenience store places, I would ask the clerk where the rest room was and they would say, "the ladies room is right over there, ma'am" That really shocked me.
OTOH when I arrived in San Francisco, the first clerk I encountered called me SIR!!!
Go figure!
Quote from: Melissa on December 18, 2006, 06:17:50 PMI am trying to just be me and not emulate a woman. If I come across as a woman, so be it, if not, then oh well. It seems to be a much less stressful way of living.
I love your way of thinking. I'm surprised to find that I'm beginning to think this way too, even though I'm only in the "looking weird" phase. I used to think that there was NO way I could do this unless I passed unambiguously 100% of the time... but now I'm beginning to think that as long as *I* am happy with how I look, what people think just isn't as important as I once thought it'd be.
Kate
Quote from: Kate on December 18, 2006, 06:39:10 PM
...but now I'm beginning to think that as long as *I* am happy with how I look, what people think just isn't as important as I once thought it'd be.
Sounds like you got it. :)
Melissa
Speaking only for myself, I want to have a feminine face--one that is instantly recognized as female--regardless of where I am. Whether it be the shopping mall, the restaurant, or the post office, I want to be recognized as a female, facially, by body type, by voice, THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
If FFS will give me that --and I have no illusions as to what it takes--then I am more that willing to go through whatever it takes to be presentable to the American public as a woman.
I still eventualy want FFS..... I dont want a totaly new face... I have a pretty good imagination and photoshop and pretty much figured out what I wanted done... Just the basics...
I want my brow ridge shaved down for personal, not passing reasons... I like the overall shape of my jawline and chin, just not the harshness of the angles... I want it shaved and rounded/softened rather than the current squareness of it... (but I dont want to alter it greatly and change the shape of my face overall)
I might get my nose narrowed to go with all that....
Durring the browridge shave I may or may not ask for a slight brow lift kinda dobut it though....
and finaly a trach shave to knock off that little bump that could one day give me away if I look too far up or something :)
By my estimates, Id end up with a very clasic look similar to Kira Knightly heheheheh *Hugs*
Chances are by the time I can afford all that I wont be interested anymore LoL, but thats life.
Quote from: LynnER on December 20, 2006, 03:45:38 PM
I still eventualy want FFS..... I dont want a totaly new face... I have a pretty good imagination and photoshop and pretty much figured out what I wanted done... Just the basics...
I want my brow ridge shaved down for personal, not passing reasons... I like the overall shape of my jawline and chin, just not the harshness of the angles... I want it shaved and rounded/softened rather than the current squareness of it... (but I dont want to alter it greatly and change the shape of my face overall)
I might get my nose narrowed to go with all that....
Durring the browridge shave I may or may not ask for a slight brow lift kinda dobut it though....
and finaly a trach shave to knock off that little bump that could one day give me away if I look too far up or something :)
By my estimates, Id end up with a very clasic look similar to Kira Knightly heheheheh *Hugs*
Chances are by the time I can afford all that I wont be interested anymore LoL, but thats life.
Your jawline and chin (from the current avatar anyway looking unusualle feminine, can't really see your nose, your upper lip is unusually short (feminine) too. You look pretty IMO. A scalp reduction, brow lift, rhinoplasty and forehead contour would make you look absolutley stunning, you might as well get the upper lip done too I guess Dr O would charge around 20k for that, but that is barely more than the price of new compact car.
Well, my "new" face is taking shape to the point that I now know what I will look like three-six months from now when things really settle in. I still feel like I have the essence of my old face, I feel like I look like the way i was supposed to look all along. And when I look in the mirror, I see a woman.
That is the most important thing to me.
Quote from: Kiera on December 29, 2006, 08:58:46 PM
If you were allowed to choose between a great body or a beautiful face which would it be?
I'd choose a female (not necessarily beautiful) face; but only because my body isn't particularly masculine (except for the height), while my face is... at least in my eyes. When I see my body naked in a mirror, I generally think,
"Hmmm, not TOO awful, just wish THEY were bigger and THAT wasn't there." When I see my face, I cringe, feel tears welling up, and think,
"This is SO cruel..."Hence... no real avatar photo. Maybe in another 4-8 months if the HRT goddesses are kind to me ;)
Kate
Quote from: Kiera on December 29, 2006, 08:58:46 PM
If you were allowed to choose between a great body or a beautiful face which would it be?
That's a no brainer for me Kiera. I'd take the body. If I decide on FFS, I would only do it if the basic features of my face weren't changed. While I'd love to be considered beautiful, I want even more to be me. As for my body, I'd alter it in a heartbeat! I've come to realize the only hope I'll have of having a reasonably passable body is if I get very skinny. I'll still never have hips, I'll always have broad shoulders but I think slender would help the overall look. But I don't want to be anorexic either. I've just got to get back to where I was when I stopped swimming.
Julie
i think i'd trade 6% loss of existing character for 6% gain in feminising character
....& then perhaps i'd become 100% me......
misty.........xxx
i used to swim too julie....i.was competing............feeling zingy
like a coiled spring at the gun..........sprint the crawl
.....trouble was my body got slimmer and toned but some muscle appeared in my calves!!
........so i took up disco dancing instead!!!!!!!!!!! :)
.....god save abba!!!!!!!!
I'd choose the great body. I'm fairly happy with my face as it is, but I do wish I had less fat on my body. :(
Melissa
I think that I'd take what's behind door number two instead.
Cindi
Absolutely. No question at all.
Having studied my Mom and Sisters faces, I can accept that I won't come out of surgery a beauty queen (omg don't tell them I said that!), but if it can take away some of the harsh lines and sharp features then sign me up. They are built in a similar fashion, but just more...feminine. I have a very distinct and realistic image of who I am on the inside, and that's not the person I see in the mirror currently...and this can no longer stand. Regardless, I intend to give the hormones a good long time to do their thing before doing it, so that I can see exactly what I am working with.
Recognizable afterword? I seriously doubt it, and am fine with that too. It is more important for me to be recognized and accepted as the woman I am, than to be remembered by the beasts friends and associates. Who cares if they recognize me, when they didn't really know me in the first place?
Just my two cents >:D
It is hard to explain but the changes are profound yet subtle, if you see my latest psot about going back to my old hangout. Everyone noticed how much better I looked but not one person guessed that I had surgery.
IMNSHO worrrying about a "new face" is, most likely, a rationalization. BTW the surgery and recovery for me this time was a breeze.
No i would not have a whole new face,
but i would not mind some more feminine face.
One thing I must mention about Doug's work, pertaining to his noses, from what I have seen, he gives everyone the same nose, I am only one of three patients out of over one thousand that he did not recommend doing a rhinoplasty, if someone goes in for the "complete works" she probably is going to look dramatically different. Being local, I have seen over twenty of Dr O's patients in person, (in the office) I also can spot his noses when I see them on people on the street. It's a very pretty and feminine nose but very distinctive...oddly, very similar to the nose I was born with but a little bit more turned up and maybe just a tad bit smaller.
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Ah, agreed, but the catch is we're are own worst critics and what people think certainly isn't important otherwise why would we do this at all?? If you were allowed to choose between a great body or a beautiful face which would it be?
(p.s. if you ever change your thoughtful muse's photo I want a copy first please! ::) )
:icon_bunch:
There are a few things l'd like to have done, my eyelids are droopy and I don't like my chin but the answer to your question is a no-brainer for me. I'd have a killer body. My face is fine the way it is. ;)
I don't know this is starting to sound like one of those genie three wishes questions.
Myself, I am going to do whatever is within my power to have a pretty face (done!) and a nice body. I am tall and have broad shoulders but I have managed to trim my waist and my breasts are nice. In fact, I come across as the most feminine when I wear tight jeans or capris and a form fitting top, which I don't get to do often because it is always chilly in San Francisco.
Anyway time to do some light body toning (doing arms and buns today) then get to work.
Hell yes. What Kate said. I have never had any desire to look male whatsoever. Give me my ladyface, or give me death! This is about transformation, as far as I'm concerned. I want to be a woman, through and through, anything less is not satisfactory.
I'm in a strange position FFS wise, I have major crainial problems which means that most major work is not possible, however I don't really need/want much and it's only something I'd do much later if i had the money spare and the time off work/studies to have it done and recover without major issue, I'm very bad at reading my own facial feminity, some people say I'm unreadable though I don't quite buy it, there are plenty of things I dislike like my very recessed slightly too square jaw my brow ridge and my hairline which is a bit too square for comfort.
I'm told a nose job makes the biggest difference FFS wise but I find it hard to see on myself, I don't particularly take issue to my nose it's like a slightly bigger version of my sisters nose in line with how much bigger my head is.
here's a pic of me to judge for yourself:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1139/photo114vg4.jpg
Quote from: Maud on January 10, 2007, 06:31:21 PM
here's a pic of me to judge for yourself:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1139/photo114vg4.jpg
WOW. Gorgeous!
Very nice Maud. The way we look is something a transsexual cares about very much. We're concerned with being accepted by society as the person we feel inside. However, we also get to the point where we have to learn to accept ourselves for who we are and be proud of that. If you can do that then society will judge you for the person you are.
Though saying that I'm most certainly planning on having work done.
Quote from: Maud on January 10, 2007, 06:31:21 PM
I'm in a strange position FFS wise, I have major crainial problems which means that most major work is not possible, however I don't really need/want much and it's only something I'd do much later if i had the money spare and the time off work/studies to have it done and recover without major issue, I'm very bad at reading my own facial feminity, some people say I'm unreadable though I don't quite buy it, there are plenty of things I dislike like my very recessed slightly too square jaw my brow ridge and my hairline which is a bit too square for comfort.
I'm told a nose job makes the biggest difference FFS wise but I find it hard to see on myself, I don't particularly take issue to my nose it's like a slightly bigger version of my sisters nose in line with how much bigger my head is.
here's a pic of me to judge for yourself:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1139/photo114vg4.jpg
Here's a completely honest opinion about your face. Just remember, this is only my opinion. First of all, looking back at some of your posts, it looks like you have been on HRT for only 3 1/2 months. Expect lots of facial changes. For instance, you may have some fat help fill in sharper features like a brow ridge.
Next, your nose is fine and looks female--no work needed. I can see the brow ridge and although it is slight, if you are uncomfortable with it, you could have that reduced. However, it is close to the female range, so you may get away with it just fine, especially after more time on HRT. Your chin and jaw look fine to me. It's hard to tell, but it looks like there's a little shadow from facial hair. If that's the case, it will make a big difference. The inside part of your eyebrows should be directly over the inside part of your eye. I'm not sure if it's just the angle or not, but if they aren't align, a little plucking will help. If you are to get any facial work done, you might look into getting an upper lip lift.
So, for the most part, if my assessment is correct, most of the work needed is just removing facial hair and a little plucking. I bet after more time on HRT and more facial hair removed, you'll have absolutely no problems passing. Personally though, I would say avoid FFS unless you are absolutely planning on going stealth.
Melissa
Maud omg!
You look stunning hon, don't beat yourself up too much. It's funny I found this post just now! I just got back from one of my classes, and had spent the whole time wondering how some of those natal women pass as female in the first place. I suspect a lot of our worries are in our heads, some of those girls have more prominent brows and jawlines than I could ever imagine. Most people just don;t look I think, and certainly not as closely as a transitioning Mtf. I am inclined to think that as long as you have mannerisms and inflection down, you'd be impossible to spot.
Dear, I'd be more than pleased to have your look post-op. I really woudn't sweat it in your shoes, enjoy your gift :angel:
~Mandy~
Quote from: Melissa on January 10, 2007, 09:54:20 PM
Here's a completely honest opinion about your face. Just remember, this is only my opinion. First of all, looking back at some of your posts, it looks like you have been on HRT for only 3 1/2 months. Expect lots of facial changes. For instance, you may have some fat help fill in sharper features like a brow ridge.
Next, your nose is fine and looks female--no work needed. I can see the brow ridge and although it is slight, if you are uncomfortable with it, you could have that reduced. However, it is close to the female range, so you may get away with it just fine, especially after more time on HRT. Your chin and jaw look fine to me. It's hard to tell, but it looks like there's a little shadow from facial hair. If that's the case, it will make a big difference. The inside part of your eyebrows should be directly over the inside part of your eye. I'm not sure if it's just the angle or not, but if they aren't align, a little plucking will help. If you are to get any facial work done, you might look into getting an upper lip lift.
So, for the most part, if my assessment is correct, most of the work needed is just removing facial hair and a little plucking. I bet after more time on HRT and more facial hair removed, you'll have absolutely no problems passing. Personally though, I would say avoid FFS unless you are absolutely planning on going stealth.
Melissa
Well, I have abolsutely no trouble passing as is unless everyone who's seen me in the last three months is super tollerent because I've not had one of those looks like there's something not quite right with me in 6 weeks and i've never not once had anything remotely transphobic said about me or directly to me, however i've not come out to anyone who I didn't know since pre FT so i've yet to gauge their reaction to it.
This would be entirely for personal reasons, I'm FT and have been for a while. As for facial hair I only have side burn hair and it's on the very high side of the female range, I can't quite afford the electro at the moment and it would be for personal reasons not passing reasons, I have a little hair on the upper lip too but again it's entirely in the female range so I deal with it as any gg would, it's just the top part of my face is still kind of sun burnt from the summer but the bottom is not so it looks a different shade, however there is no shadow there.
Thanks for the honest assessment, I do appreciate it. Though, as amanda says we often forget that natal females can look male too and we often look to be seen as perfect, I fully expect to be able to go stealth as and when my social situation allows it.
I do plan on being as stealth as I can be I have zero intention of being known as anything other than female other than to those who need to know, so far the biggest barrier to that is voice work which I'm making headway on and I have my first proper voice lesson the friday after next.
Oh and as for alighnment I'd need my face to be straight first, due to said crainial problems the left side of my face (right in the pic as it's a webcam shot) is sunken down so I'm a little distorted, most people don't notice it and it's one of those things I can't fix and I just need to accept it's just it causes some issue with a few things.
For a different view here's me how I look raw if i'm woken up by a 5AM fire alarm :0
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5342/photo141ut6.jpg
Oh and one point I didn't make before which applies to both pictures is that these are raw pictures of me with no makeup whatsoever at no particular special angles this is just how I look on a day to day basis.
Maud,
Here's my honest opinion. If you aren't totally grateful for that beautiful face, I'm going to come over there and knock you on your noggin with a wooden spoon! My gawd Maud, you are beautiful.
I can't see what you would ever worry about with your face. The rest of you, I can't comment on. But girl.... quitchyer whinin and love life. Hear me? ;)
I mean this only in the most complimentary way, you know?
Chin up!
Cindi
Don't get my wrong, I totally do, and as I said this is a maybe in the future if I had the money spare type thing besides the fact that invasive ffs is not even possible with how messed up my skull is, I am content with my looks and I don't worry about it constantly.
As for my body the measures at 37 hips 29 waist 34 underbust 39.5 overbust, I wear a 34A which fits snugly so if that could be considered anything but female then i'd like to know about it, I was fairly hourglass under the loose clothing I used to wear before hand, HRT has just made it all come together.
Now I hope my brutally honest (I know it was brutal) assessment didn't hurt your feelings at all. Overall, I think you look beautiful. However, I think most people aren't willing to give completely honest opinions so they don't hurt feelings. Mine was only supposed to be for constructive information. Now, with that said, if you are fulltime and passing well now, then I would say that should be answer enough for you. :)
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on January 11, 2007, 12:50:14 AM
Now I hope my brutally honest (I know it was brutal) assessment didn't hurt your feelings at all. Overall, I think you look beautiful. However, I think most people aren't willing to give completely honest opinions so they don't hurt feelings. Mine was only supposed to be for constructive information. Now, with that said, if you are fulltime and passing well now, then I would say that should be answer enough for you. :)
Melissa
Not at all, I appreciate the assessment, just as I said this would be for person reasons not passing reasons, I know I visually pass and I have no worries about that anymore. just the mixed messeges were more than a little confusing.
For some reason, I've got an old Clint Eastwood movie on the tube.. I didn't change the channel, not paying attention to it.
Inger Stevens played the heroine in this film. I just saw a close up of her face. She had fairly masculine lines and believe it or not, a wide nose. Not a fat nose... but not slim and primpy. Yet she was one of "those" woman who I cried myself to sleep over when I was a kid. I wanted to be her so badly. It's odd because she was so drop dead beautiful. Apparently she was very unhappy too. She comitted suicide before she got old. Being beautiful ain't everything kids!
Cindi
different face, same brain....nah! i'd still be wretched!
[a different face] a terrific book by Olivia Manning
Quote from: Cindi Jones on January 11, 2007, 12:57:31 AM
Being beautiful ain't everything kids!
Yes, but it sure beats ugly.
Quote from: Cindi Jones on January 11, 2007, 12:23:38 AM
My gawd Maud, you are beautiful.
She
is.
I'm possibly the only one or one of very few people on this board that has spent a few hours in her company on a few occasions and she
is gorgeous and no amount of nitpicking can gainsay that. The last time we met, I told her I was jealous... so there you go. Take it from one who knows.
And although she's by no means perfect, in my opinion she doesn't need FFS at all, whereas I'm saving like a maniac to get mine done. I'm also old enough to be her mum. ;D
The weather report for today says
fine...
Quote from: Stormy Weather on January 11, 2007, 03:21:02 PM
And although she's by no means perfect, in my opinion she doesn't need FFS at all, whereas I'm saving like a maniac to get mine done.
I never said she "needed" it and in fact recommended avoiding it. :) Part of the problem was I couldn't tell if some of the things I talked about were only a result of shadows in the photo. People tell me all the time I don't need it, but I want to at least get my nose corrected.
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on January 11, 2007, 03:34:38 PM
I never said she "needed" it...
I never said you said she needed it. ;D
Peace, babes. :)
La'ers...
Hi Melissa
Quit apologizing, you spoke from experience and provided a whole lot more useful input than us fangirls. I'm sure Maud knows she's pretty, and after letting it settle a couple days I see she was after exactly what you gave; advice. I personally will use the tips you provided too, every little bit helps while we sock away the surgery money :angel:
~Mandy~
Quote from: Stormy Weather on January 11, 2007, 03:52:09 PM
I never said you said she needed it. ;D
Hehe
Quote from: Amanda on January 11, 2007, 04:06:35 PM
Hi Melissa
Quit apologizing, you spoke from experience and provided a whole lot more useful input than us fangirls. I'm sure Maud knows she's pretty, and after letting it settle a couple days I see she was after exactly what you gave; advice. I personally will use the tips you provided too, every little bit helps while we sock away the surgery money :angel:
Aww, ok. I just don't want to step on too many toes. If what I'm saying helps, then I'll keep helping. ;D I feel like I am able to look at things in a completely honest way and I will switch between a broad overview and details to identify certain things. If I looked at sepaarate features of my own face, I would need the FFS works, but by using a switching view point, I feel only my nose is the most prominent feature.
Melissa
I'd love to have a face swap with Maude! Given that the possibility of that is nil, if I had the money and the opportunity I'd certainly do it.
I have an ongoing fantasy: I am witness to a terrible crime. Because I testify I am put in the witness protection program. To disguise me they take me to a foreign country for a number of months, give me FFS and GRS and set me up with a new life and a job as a female. OK, I know it'll never happen, but that would be a dream come true.
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Quote from: Kristi on January 11, 2007, 04:51:11 PM
I have an ongoing fantasy: I am witness to a terrible crime. Because I testify I am put in the witness protection program. To disguise me they take me to a foreign country for a number of months, give me FFS and GRS and set me up with a new life and a job as a female. OK, I know it'll never happen, but that would be a dream come true.
Hmm, you'd better keep an eye out for any large crimes you vigilante, you. ;)
Melissa
Quote from: Stormy Weather on January 11, 2007, 03:21:02 PM
I'm possibly the only one or one of very few people on this board that has spent a few hours in her company on a few occasions and she is gorgeous and no amount of nitpicking can gainsay that. The last time we met, I told her I was jealous... so there you go. Take it from one who knows.
And although she's by no means perfect, in my opinion she doesn't need FFS at all, whereas I'm saving like a maniac to get mine done. I'm also old enough to be her mum. ;D
The weather report for today says fine...
You're the only person on this board I've had the pleasure of meeting, I've only ever spoken to one person from scotland let allone anyone from edinburgh.
I'm sorry all for causing such a fuss, the soonest a scalpel would ever come into contact with my face would be 5 years or so and I highly doubt one ever will it was only idle curiosity, I know I'm lucky with my looks.
The trouble, I suspect, is the line between need and want. I had absolutely no idea about you until I came out and you outed yourself, you don't need it for passing reasons it would be entirely for vanity reasons as you said which I totally understand and empathise with, if I'd choose to do anything in the future if I had the funds and time to it it would be for the exact same reason.
Oh and don't worry about stepping on toes Melissa, I do it often enough that I'll probably eclipse you several times over throughout my time here. There's a difference between speaking your mind and being malicious one I can't see you ever crossing, that's not to say I won't disagree with you every now and again but that's all part of the fun of it :)
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me,
i want a chin job, new nose, and thats about it methinks.
Rachael, I will say both your nose and chin look similar to mine before I started HRT--except better. I won't comment on the nose (other than it doesn't have the hump like mine), but I will say that your jaw will probably appear to shrink (I think you said you hadn't started HRT yet). I was VERY surprised that mine did. It already looks pretty good, so I doubt you'll need anything changed in that area. :)
Melissa
Does HRT actually have an effect on your face?
You decide (both without makeup):
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Melissa
Yep, that photo is pre hrt, and i do hope my chin like changes, it feels very large and boney :( its the angle that makes it look ok) when i loose weight, it will look BAD
Really quite amazing. :)
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2996/ahorrorjd6.png
This is pre all HRT, fyi I was on just estrogen for two months and then estrogen and T blockers for the last 6 weeks.
Sorry for the lack of [/img], i just don't want my picture glareing out in any thread.
Quote from: Melissa on January 11, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
You decide (both without makeup):
OK, I see, HRT makes you smile!
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Quote from: Kristi on January 11, 2007, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: Melissa on January 11, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
You decide (both without makeup):
OK, I see, HRT makes you smile!
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Nah, it's the changes that make me smile. :) Ok, so I've had that grin plastered on my face ever since I went fulltime. ;D
Melissa
How do I look by my photo? ??? Please be gentle though. :)
Well...since you asked. Looking over your intro, I think your TS, but it isn't explicitly mentioned, so I'm not sure. It also says you are 21. When I first looked at your picture, I thought you were much older, since you look like you are dressed to be older. So, here's my critique.
First of all entirely too much makeup--or at least too bold. Second of all, I would probably avoid slicking the hair back since it appears you don't have a very straight hairline, plus I think you are showing too much forehead for your particular facial proportions. Overall I think you have a fairly feminine looking face. It looks heart-shaped, which is an ideal shape for a female. Your look appears to be kind of a 1940's era look (bold makeup and hat), which I think makes you stand out from a typical woman of today's time. I honestly think with a few changes like I mentioned, you could look really good. Also, once you are ready to go fulltime, I highly recommend shaping your eyebrows as that can make a huge impact.
Hope it was gentle enough. ;) I actually didn't have to try that hard though. I think most of the changes could be made immediately.
Melissa
Thanx. :)
I forgot to mention a few more things. First of all it appears you have a nose that would pass for female just fine, the distance between your upper lip and nose is very small and also in a more typical female range, you don't appear to have a brow ridge and your forehead looks more typically female in shape (rounded rather than flat and sloping). Oh yeah, the size and shape of your jaw is also more typically female.
Melissa
Thanx. It's a case of doing what I can to get the image as feminine as possible. I'm really want to go full time and prepare to start HRT.
You're welcome. I think in the end you'll make a beautiful woman. :)
Melissa
Elizabeth,
My honest opinion. Is that avatar you? Because it looks like a lovely little girl. If that's you, you're adorable.
Sorry to post so late to this thread, and I'm new without an introduction yet, I will post one when I get some more time.
Anyway I just wanted to make a few quick comments on FFS. From what I have found FFS did not give me a completly new face, and the changes were slow and subtle. But also emotions and mental preceptions play into it a lot. One has to be prepared mentally to embrace and accept the new you thats looking back in the mirrior. Also friends and family that are really close and have been close since the beginning of transtion, and depending on how they feel about the transtion and how well they accept it and you, they will have preconceived notions of what you are "supposed" to look like, and this can actually skew there mental preception of what you look like, which can inturn positivtly or negativitly affect your own mental preception of what you look like. It can actually be a very emtionally confusing thing. However, but although I did move away and leave most of my past life behind when I transitioned, I did recently make contact with an old high school freind I knew like 6 years ago, and when he saw me, he saw said he could see nothing but a 100% female, just a girl. He had no other preception of me except that of a high school boy, but not seeing me for all those years, and not seeing the gradual changes of transtion and later FFS, when he did see me all he saw was a girl. Its the anonymouus third party prespective that is our best guage.
I actually had SRS and lived fulltime for over 5 years before I decided on FFS, I was passing well, so I fugured I did'nt need it, and all of my family kept telling me I did'nt need it, but that is in part because famaily have a preconceived notion of what we are suspossed to look like. But anyway, even though the HRT and being young did femminze my soft tissue, I knew underneath the bone was a result of testosterone and was very male, so I ended up having Type III forhead reconstruction, and sinus setback, orbital rim burring, complete rhinoplasty, to match my new forhead, scalp advance, forhead lift, which also lifts the brow, jaw and chin contouring, upper lip lifting surgery, and a face lift to pull the skin up along my new jaw line. when I look in the mirrior now I don't see a totally new face, becuase a lot of what we see is determined by our emotional, mental, and pre-conceived notions of ourselves. But I do see 100% female, and this is what society sees as well. Which is what I always wanted. In my own opion we can either set our sites on becoming beautiful or gorgeaous transsexuals, or just looking like ordinary girls, and thats all I want, to just walk down the street and be another anonymous girl.
Another thing to consider with FFS, is to have real FFS, I have seen some girls, becuase now apparently there are a lot of doctors out there doing soft tissue work calling it FFS, in the short term soft tissue work may soften the apparance and make things temporarily more round and femminine, but in the long run the bone will still be male, and there are huge and oftentimes very subtle diffrences in the shape of the bone, Specially around the eyes and the forehead. I was passing, and always thought my forehead and level of bossing was fine, but as it turned out I needed a type III re-construction, which as I see now made a huge diffrence, and now I no that not only is the soft tissue on the surface femminized, so is the bone underneath, so as I age and the skin drops and sags, it will be in a female direction, becuase the bone has been changed to a more female type.
Just in my own opion and from what I have seen, most TS's ultimatly do need some level of FFS that includes bone work, and its not nesscarliy changing or giving you a new face, its just making the whole thing more female, the soft tissue and the bone, and this does make a huge diffence.
In my own thinking of FFS, I knew that my main focus had to be on just looking female, not nesscarily being beautiful, but looking 100% girl, no matter how much makeup I was wearing, or what kind of clothes I was wearing. I knew that if I focused on getting a "new" pretty face, that I would more than likely be disappointed, and this is what I had to menatally prepare myself for, so that I and others would get the same preception, regardless of preconceived notions of what I was "suppossed" to look like.
-passiflora-
As I'm approaching retirement age and don't have nearly enough saved for a comfortable retirement, I think I'll skip FFS for now. Who knows, maybe I'll win the lotto and get it later. I don't think I really need it anyway.
Karen Lyn :icon_female:
hmmm...well I guess I do have a "different face" since people are saying I look like Faye Dunaway and Sharon Stone!
Having an unequivocally female face has dramatically changed my life. What amazed me is how big a difference the jaw contouring made. OTOH he also raised my lip 2mm when we did the last procedure.
In retrospect, I would beg, borrow and steal for this. It is absolutely the best 30k I ever spent. And, since my ability to make sales has increased dramatically, I am on track to possibly make 100k this year. The surgery has paid for itself
Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PM
Something has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS. It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously.
Is that something you'd want?
That scares me. I would never want the old me erased completely, just feminized. I know some doctors are pretty aggressive and those doctors I will avoid.
What's your feelings? Feminize your face or have a completely different face?
Julie
Either would suffice, but the latter preferred.
Being recognizable is not necessarily a good (or healthy) characteristic.
Quote from: Elizabeth uk on January 14, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
Thanx. It's a case of doing what I can to get the image as feminine as possible. I'm really want to go full time and prepare to start HRT.
Gosh this feels like a life time ago, how I've moved on since then.
Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PM
Something has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS. It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously.
Is that something you'd want?
That scares me. I would never want the old me erased completely, just feminized. I know some doctors are pretty aggressive and those doctors I will avoid.
What's your feelings? Feminize your face or have a completely different face?
Julie
I was worried about changing my face too much--natural I think--but in the end, I was happy it
had profoundly changed. I looked male, now I look female. I am NOT recognizable as the person
I was before and I am very happy that I took this huge leap. I had no idea how much I hated
that male face staring back at me all those years. People tell me I was quite attractive. Not to
me. This is a highly individual choice but if you want a female face and you are conservative out
of fear, you may regret that choice later.
Stormy
I recently saw a well respected FFS Surgeon for an appointment and he said I need far more proceedure's doing than I thought I needed.....
FFS would be a necessity for me... It isn't an optional thing. I inherited features from a family of uglies. So yes I WANT A DIFFERENT FACE!
Although my body isn't too bad, my face is lacking in the three major characteristics that define a feminine face. I counted 7.6 eye heights from my eye to my chin. While not that bad, it isn't as good as I want. My chin height and width is slightly over sized, although it could be much worse. My brow blossing is the worst. It is just ->-bleeped-<-en awful. It hides a bit of my upper eyelid (at least when I raise my eyebrows, I can see more of my upper eyelid), and it is just super big. It is disgusting.
I can't say everything is bad. I have a great nose, I guess. I don't have a bad jaw. I have nice cheeks. I have nice skin. I have nice, full lips. Still I'm too masculine, and it sucks.
I'm sorry for bringing a topic back from the dead. I needed an outlet for this.
I am having my ffs done by Dr. Zukowski on August 26th. I am getting forehead, jaw, and chin work done. He recommended I get all that plus nose, cheek, and lip work, but I didn't think the latter was necessary.
Quote from: Melissa on January 14, 2007, 07:32:51 PM
I forgot to mention a few more things. First of all it appears you have a nose that would pass for female just fine, the distance between your upper lip and nose is very small and also in a more typical female range, you don't appear to have a brow ridge and your forehead looks more typically female in shape (rounded rather than flat and sloping). Oh yeah, the size and shape of your jaw is also more typically female.
Melissa
Hi guys,
Is this moderator still here?
What lovely comments she gave me during a time when I was so low.
Personally, I'm thinking about it, but haven't decided yet. Just like with my Glasses.
My Boyfriend thinks I'm pretty, but I can't see it. So for now I'm undecided on my face.
Quote from: Elizabeth uk on September 27, 2008, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: Melissa on January 14, 2007, 07:32:51 PM
I forgot to mention a few more things. First of all it appears you have a nose that would pass for female just fine, the distance between your upper lip and nose is very small and also in a more typical female range, you don't appear to have a brow ridge and your forehead looks more typically female in shape (rounded rather than flat and sloping). Oh yeah, the size and shape of your jaw is also more typically female.
Melissa
Hi guys,
Is this moderator still here?
What lovely comments she gave me during a time when I was so low.
yes. She's still around. Not as often as she was before though. try pming her.
yes i would it would be the bigest thing that i could think of to kill my male self and lord knows he needs to die.
Yes plz! The female version of this testosterone grown face would be just fine with me. But if I am unrecognizable to former aqcauintences it's all the better LOL, cuz I know stuff about them and could really freak them out. Then there are the ones I don't ever want to talk to again...yay.
One of the replies from way back when this post first started hit on a good point. Why would FFS that dramatically changes the face be any different than losing 100lbs, in which you look totally different not just in the face but everywhere else as well? In my opinion, for myself, I've never really liked how I looked anyways, so why would I want to keep that just so that I can "still be me?" In my eyes, it's my mind, my personality...it's me...that makes me who I am, and not how I look. The changes I make to my outer appearance are merely to more easily blend in as who I am and be accepted as so.
How I see it, you're never going to look the same your whole life anyways, so what's a dramatic change now going to hurt? As you age, how you look changes drastically over the years. People who see you more often don't notice it as much, while people who don't see you as much notice it more. After the FFS people will soon become accustomed to it and they'll forget what you looked like before, while still knowing you. Others who you don't see often probably wouldn't recognize the old you either anyways.
That's my take on it for me personally, and since everyone is different and has their own opinions on what suits them then there's always a different road for someone else. Me...I'll be happy after January rolls around and I can feel more confident that I look like me, while continuing to be comfortable in the knowledge that I still am me no matter what I look like.
I look absolutely nothing like I used to. I had facial bone reconstruction, which was a long and arduous affair. The aim was to actually sculpt my face into another one. The actual plastic surgery came later, then micro cosmetic surgery. It took a long time to complete and then heal.
My siblings still can't quite come to grips with it...
I am 99.9% happy with the results. My chin is still not what I had in mind. I have been told by my surgeons, that they will not do anything else to me. I guess they are right. My family agrees...Hmmm, collusion?
I sorta ran into a cousin the other day in a grocery store. She was ahead of me in line...I didn't say a word to her. She happened to look at me, as she was unloading her cart, and I smiled at her. She had absolutely no idea of who I was! Anonymity can be wonderful.
Enough time and money can accomplish miracles, if you have the wherewithal for it...
Quote from: SarahR on December 15, 2008, 01:58:51 AM
One of the replies from way back when this post first started hit on a good point. Why would FFS that dramatically changes the face be any different than losing 100lbs, in which you look totally different not just in the face but everywhere else as well? In my opinion, for myself, I've never really liked how I looked anyways, so why would I want to keep that just so that I can "still be me?" In my eyes, it's my mind, my personality...it's me...that makes me who I am, and not how I look. The changes I make to my outer appearance are merely to more easily blend in as who I am and be accepted as so.
How I see it, you're never going to look the same your whole life anyways, so what's a dramatic change now going to hurt? As you age, how you look changes drastically over the years. People who see you more often don't notice it as much, while people who don't see you as much notice it more. After the FFS people will soon become accustomed to it and they'll forget what you looked like before, while still knowing you. Others who you don't see often probably wouldn't recognize the old you either anyways.
That's my take on it for me personally, and since everyone is different and has their own opinions on what suits them then there's always a different road for someone else. Me...I'll be happy after January rolls around and I can feel more confident that I look like me, while continuing to be comfortable in the knowledge that I still am me no matter what I look like.
Sarah is impressive with her insights and her self-assuredness. Bravo girl...
I want to be unrecognizable to my past.
I use to look like chuck Norris now i look totally different. I actually walked by my own brother on the street and he didn't know me and talked to friends about that person who i use to be and they didn't know it was me. YES I LOVE LOOKING TOTALLY DIFFERENT..
PS: I had a bimandibular setback and a sliding genioplasty and a hairline advancement and a number 1 upper and a rhinoeplasty , brow ridge ground down and a facelift neck lift and lower eyelid lift. I also had all my teeth capped and had 1500 hair transplants
People i have known my whole life don't know its me and i can talk to them about that other person without them knowing its me.
DOES THIS FACE LOOK LIKE CHUCK NORRIS AT ALL ====> http://web.archive.org/web/20070503033734/http://hometown.aol.com/danielegrl/myhomepage/news.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20070503033734/http://hometown.aol.com/danielegrl/myhomepage/news.html)
If just even having a new female face would make me happy.
But alas, it is not so.
Hey Amanda,
I'm curious as to your thoughts on the subject of FFS now that you've had some time and distance to ponder. Do share :) Also, hope everything's going well for you these days!
Funny, when I started this thread eons ago FFS wasn't even on the radar for me. But when the time came to do it I really didn't want a different face, just a feminized version of what I had. Now that I've had it, and was very conservative with the procedures I chose, I'm pretty happy with the results.
To answer the original question;
No. I like my face the way it is.
Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PM
Something has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS. It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously.
Is that something you'd want?
That scares me. I would never want the old me erased completely, just feminized. I know some doctors are pretty aggressive and those doctors I will avoid.
What's your feelings? Feminize your face or have a completely different face?
Julie
I may have already posted this before... but I have never heard any such thing. My understanding is that even after "the works" people look like the same person as before, just softer. In fact people who have had the works who were later seen by people who hadn't seen them since before surgery have been asked such questions as, "Did you change your hair?" "You look different... I can't put my finger on it but something about you seems different, what is it?"
[Perhaps if they hadn't seen you since before transition, hormones, changing gender presentation, growing hair, boobs, etc and surgery, then by comparison someone would probably look a lot different but just surgery alone, no. Maybe in movies from the seventies or television programs like Hawaii five o]
I'm not so sure. FFS can be quite dramatic in some cases:
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I see almost nothing of the before person in the after shot.
I agree, FFS can be extremely dramatic depending on the surgeon you go with and the extent to which you have done. For instance, the works with Dr. O on most people, especially those who are very into the male range and needing a lot of contouring and shaping would most likely have the most dramatic change possible, and the old person would not be visible whatsoever in the new person. Just from my personal experience knowing people who have had the works with Dr. O I can say that there is definitely a chance that the before and after will be two different people, physically at least.
3 Days Sarah :)
Here's a before and after, I don't know how dramatic it is but I see a lot of resemblance. I seem to look a little different every month but I don't notice it unless I put pictures next to each other spanning a whole month. It seems pretty subtle.
Old me circa 2006:
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Another old one from 2007:
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and then this is me now, post FFS w/Dr. O. in 7/08 (almost 6 months):
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and then the profile:
old:
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new:
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Like I said, I think FFS is an extremely personal choice. There is no right or wrong answer. What's right for one person is definitely not right for other people. I really feel good about my decision and my timing, but that's just me :) Meghan
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3 Days Sarah :)
2 days now, lol. You're looking good Meghan. I love your new nails, too :)
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What's your feelings? Feminize your face or have a completely different face?
I'd prefer to be unambiguously female - whatever it takes - even if that means people don't recognize me anymore. I don't want to be feminized. I need to be *female*. In fact, having people not recognize me would seem like a sign I'd succeeded. No more male me.
I mean heck, as insane as it sounds, I don't recognize me NOW. Know what I mean? Having a completely new, female face WOULD be me - even if it's drastically different than what it is now.
So even if the overall effect is dramatic, I'd still think of it as simply making my face into the female version it was meant to be. Had I been born xx, my brow overhang wouldn't be so pronounced, my chin wouldn't be quite so square, my cheeks wouldn't be so flat... and so on. I see FFS as picking up where HRT leaves off, correcting the things chemicals can't reach. It's ONLY addressing the things xx chromosomes would have given me.
Less than a year after starting HRT, and I barely recognize myself. Its freaking amazing. I feel like a fairy...
Quote from: Kara-Xen on January 06, 2009, 03:40:18 AM
I feel like a fairy...
Likewise; I feel all fey and elvish. It's rather nifty.
'Changeling' would be accurate, I guess.
Quote from: Vexing on January 06, 2009, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Kara-Xen on January 06, 2009, 03:40:18 AM
I feel like a fairy...
Likewise; I feel all fey and elvish. It's rather nifty.
'Changeling' would be accurate, I guess.
Yeah. Like I look in the mirror, and the pretty parts of my face are shocking, cause Its like I shouldn't be allowed to like the way I look. Its like... I hope it doesn't get taken away.
I am glad I had my FFS in June of last year, but it was very painful and I will never go through that again. But I do look much younger, and I am pleased with the results.
My picture here is about 6 months post op from a chin implant, rhiniplasty, full face and neck lift with lipo of the neck, lip lift and cheek fillers.
Do you think I look younger than 57?
Anyway if you have FFS just expect that you will be uncomfortable for a while, depending on how much you have done.
Quote from: Vexing on January 05, 2009, 08:50:25 PM
I'm not so sure. FFS can be quite dramatic in some cases:
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I see almost nothing of the before person in the after shot.
The biggest difference between the two photos is in one she looks depressed and in the other she is smiling but it is easy for me to tell she is the same person.
Hmmm, I just want my nose a little smaller. :) And maybe my jaws too thats all. O yeah and definitely electrolisis, shaving really stinks! :o And then I'd just love to go to my high school reunion ,the shock would kill almost everyone! :laugh:
Oh I just noticed...
In one picture her hair is pulled back exposing her forehead (and she looks angry and depressed).
In the other picture her hair is draped naturally across her forehead and face (and she is smiling).
Sure she looks different but not very. FFS rounds the corners basically, it doesn't change you into a different person.
This picture reminds me of bad before and after gimmicks like holding in the stomach for a weight loss commercial, not to mention the unhappy frown before and beaming smile afterwards. Also I suspect in the before picture she has on no makeup but in the after she does, either that or the first picture is just lacking the vibrant color of the after photo. Speaking of color the before picture is taken under cold artificial light with a cold grayish background, the after picture is taken under warm sunny light with a vibrant and colorful background. It is almost like subliminal advertising, I feel like I need to buy something now, the product is so amazing :P lol !
Actually if she pulled her hair back her scalp and hairline would be totally different. Her cheeks are higher and jaw line is narrower and well she looks great compared to the before.
but then again many people will critisize and not see the real picture.
The discussion was whether or not FFS made her entirely unrecognizable, not whether or not she looked better, just to clarify for people reading this thread.
I'm totally unrecognizable to the people who knew me 'before'. I guess the fact that before hrt I had blepharoplasty on my upper lids might count. I used to have Garfield eyes. But I did that for me, prior to hrt.
The only thing I would like is a scalp advance or maybe microtransplants. Otherwise, I'm quite happy, and so is Marcy.
Bev
I absolutely want ffs. I don't so much want a different face, I want a much prettier more female looking version of my face.
I'm not really sure. I've been looking at this male face for 55yrs. I'd love to look into the mirror and see a much more feminine face looking back. It's a decision I'll make in another year or two. In the end, I think I'll be happier as an ugly woman than a handsome (or not so handsome) man. Even if I'm recognized, I really don't care, so long as I appear feminine rather than masculine.