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FFS, Do You WANT A Different Face?

Started by Julie Marie, December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PM

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Maud

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2996/ahorrorjd6.png

This is pre all HRT, fyi I was on just estrogen for two months and then estrogen and T blockers for the last 6 weeks.


Sorry for the lack of [/img], i just don't want my picture glareing out in any thread.
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Suzy

Quote from: Melissa on January 11, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
You decide (both without makeup):

OK, I see, HRT makes you smile!

   Sign me up.

Kristi
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Melissa

Quote from: Kristi on January 11, 2007, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: Melissa on January 11, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
You decide (both without makeup):

OK, I see, HRT makes you smile!

   Sign me up.

Kristi
Nah, it's the changes that make me smile. :)  Ok, so I've had that grin plastered on my face ever since I went fulltime. ;D

Melissa
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Elizabeth uk

How do I look by my photo?  ??? Please be gentle though.  :)
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Melissa

Well...since you asked.  Looking over your intro, I think your TS, but it isn't explicitly mentioned, so I'm not sure.  It also says you are 21.  When I first looked at your picture, I thought you were much older, since you look like you are dressed to be older.  So, here's my critique.

First of all entirely too much makeup--or at least too bold.  Second of all, I would probably avoid slicking the hair back since it appears you don't have a very straight hairline, plus I think you are showing too much forehead for your particular facial proportions.  Overall I think you have a fairly feminine looking face.  It looks heart-shaped, which is an ideal shape for a female.  Your look appears to be kind of a 1940's era look (bold makeup and hat), which I think makes you stand out from a typical woman of today's time.  I honestly think with a few changes like I mentioned, you could look really good.  Also, once you are ready to go fulltime, I highly recommend shaping your eyebrows as that can make a huge impact.

Hope it was gentle enough. ;)  I actually didn't have to try that hard though.  I think most of the changes could be made immediately.

Melissa
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Melissa

I forgot to mention a few more things.  First of all it appears you have a nose that would pass for female just fine, the distance between your upper lip and nose is very small and also in a more typical female range, you don't appear to have a brow ridge and your forehead looks more typically female in shape (rounded rather than flat and sloping).  Oh yeah, the size and shape of your jaw is also more typically female.

Melissa
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Elizabeth uk

Thanx. It's a case of doing what I can to get the image as feminine as possible. I'm really want to go full time and prepare to start HRT.
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Melissa

You're welcome.  I think in the end you'll make a beautiful woman. :)

Melissa
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Nero

Elizabeth,
My honest opinion. Is that avatar you? Because it looks like a lovely little girl. If that's you, you're adorable.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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passiflora

Sorry to post so late to this thread, and I'm new without an introduction yet, I will post one when I get some more time.

Anyway I just wanted to make a few quick comments on FFS. From what I have found FFS did not give me a completly new face, and the changes were slow and subtle. But also emotions and mental preceptions play into it a lot. One has to be prepared mentally to embrace and accept the new you thats looking back in the mirrior. Also friends and family that are really close and have been close since the beginning of transtion, and depending on how they feel about the transtion and how well they accept it and you, they will have preconceived notions of what you are "supposed" to look like, and this can actually skew there mental preception of what you look like, which can inturn positivtly or negativitly affect your own mental preception of what you look like. It can actually be a very emtionally confusing thing. However, but although I did move away and leave most of my past life behind when I transitioned, I did recently make contact with an old high school freind I knew like 6 years ago, and when he saw me, he saw said he could see nothing but a 100% female, just a girl. He had no other preception of me except that of a high school boy, but not seeing me for all those years, and not seeing the gradual changes of transtion and later FFS, when he did see me all he saw was a girl. Its the anonymouus third party prespective that is our best guage. 

I actually had SRS and lived fulltime for over 5 years before I decided on FFS, I was passing well, so I fugured I did'nt need it, and all of my family kept telling me I did'nt need it, but that is in part because famaily have a preconceived notion of what we are suspossed to look like. But anyway, even though the HRT and being young did femminze my soft tissue, I knew underneath the bone was a result of testosterone and was very male, so I ended up having Type III forhead reconstruction, and sinus setback, orbital rim burring, complete rhinoplasty, to match my new forhead, scalp advance, forhead lift, which also lifts the brow, jaw and chin contouring, upper lip lifting surgery, and a face lift to pull the skin up along my new jaw line. when I look in the mirrior now I don't see a totally new face, becuase a lot of what we see is determined by our emotional, mental, and pre-conceived notions of ourselves. But I do see 100% female, and this is what society sees as well. Which is what I always wanted. In my own opion we can either set our sites on becoming beautiful or gorgeaous transsexuals, or just looking like ordinary girls, and thats all I want, to just walk down the street and be another anonymous girl.

Another thing to consider with FFS, is to have real FFS, I have seen some girls, becuase now apparently there are a lot of doctors out there doing soft tissue work calling it FFS, in the short term soft tissue work may soften the apparance and make things temporarily more round and femminine, but in the long run the bone will still be male, and there are huge and oftentimes very subtle diffrences in the shape of the bone, Specially around the eyes and the forehead. I was passing, and always thought my forehead and level of bossing was fine, but as it turned out I needed a type III re-construction, which as I see now made a huge diffrence, and now I no that not only is the soft tissue on the surface femminized, so is the bone underneath, so as I age and the skin drops and sags, it will be in a female direction, becuase the bone has been changed to a more female type. 

Just in my own opion and from what I have seen, most TS's ultimatly do need some level of FFS that includes bone work, and its not nesscarliy changing or giving you a new face, its just making the whole thing more female, the soft tissue and the bone, and this does make a huge diffence.

In my own thinking of FFS, I knew that my main focus had to be on just looking female, not nesscarily being beautiful, but looking 100% girl, no matter how much makeup I was wearing, or what kind of clothes I was wearing. I knew that if I focused on getting a "new" pretty face, that I would more than likely be disappointed, and this is what I had to menatally prepare myself for, so that I and others would get the same preception, regardless of preconceived notions of what I was "suppossed" to look like. 


-passiflora-
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KarenLyn

As I'm approaching retirement age and don't have nearly enough saved for a comfortable retirement, I think I'll skip FFS for now. Who knows, maybe I'll win the lotto and get it later. I don't think I really need it anyway.

Karen Lyn
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melissa90299

hmmm...well I guess I do have a "different face" since people are saying I look like Faye Dunaway and Sharon Stone!

Having an unequivocally female face has dramatically changed my life. What amazed me is how big a difference the jaw contouring made. OTOH he also raised my lip 2mm when we did the last procedure.

In retrospect, I would beg, borrow and steal for this. It is absolutely the best 30k I ever spent. And, since my ability to make sales has increased dramatically, I am on track to possibly make 100k this year. The surgery has paid for itself
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rhonda13000

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PM
Something has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS.  It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously. 

Is that something you'd want?

That scares me.  I would never want the old me erased completely, just feminized.  I know some doctors are pretty aggressive and those doctors I will avoid.

What's your feelings?  Feminize your face or have a completely different face?

Julie


Either would suffice, but the latter preferred.

Being recognizable is not necessarily a good (or healthy) characteristic.
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Elizabeth uk

Quote from: Elizabeth uk on January 14, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
Thanx. It's a case of doing what I can to get the image as feminine as possible. I'm really want to go full time and prepare to start HRT.

Gosh this feels like a life time ago, how I've moved on since then.
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Stormy

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PM
Something has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS.  It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously. 

Is that something you'd want?

That scares me.  I would never want the old me erased completely, just feminized.  I know some doctors are pretty aggressive and those doctors I will avoid.

What's your feelings?  Feminize your face or have a completely different face?

Julie

I was worried about changing my face too much--natural I think--but in the end, I was happy it
had profoundly changed.  I looked male, now I look female.  I am NOT recognizable as the person
I was before and I am very happy that I took this huge leap.  I had no idea how much I hated
that male face staring back at me all those years.  People tell me I was quite attractive.  Not to
me.  This is a highly individual choice but if you want a female face and you are conservative out
of fear, you may regret that choice later.

Stormy
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Berliegh

I recently saw a well respected FFS Surgeon for an appointment and he said I need far more proceedure's doing than I thought I needed.....
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je

FFS would be a necessity for me... It isn't an optional thing. I inherited features from a family of uglies. So yes I WANT A DIFFERENT FACE!

Although my body isn't too bad, my face is lacking in the three major characteristics that define a feminine face. I counted 7.6 eye heights from my eye to my chin. While not that bad, it isn't as good as I want. My chin height and width is slightly over sized, although it could be much worse. My brow blossing is the worst. It is just ->-bleeped-<-en awful. It hides a bit of my upper eyelid (at least when I raise my eyebrows, I can see more of my upper eyelid), and it is just super big. It is disgusting.

I can't say everything is bad. I have a great nose, I guess. I don't have a bad jaw. I have nice cheeks. I have nice skin. I have nice, full lips. Still I'm too masculine, and it sucks.

I'm sorry for bringing a topic back from the dead. I needed an outlet for this.
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caleybug

I am having my ffs done by Dr. Zukowski on August 26th. I am getting forehead, jaw, and chin work done. He recommended I get all that plus nose, cheek, and lip work, but I didn't think the latter was necessary.
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Elizabeth uk

Quote from: Melissa on January 14, 2007, 07:32:51 PM
I forgot to mention a few more things.  First of all it appears you have a nose that would pass for female just fine, the distance between your upper lip and nose is very small and also in a more typical female range, you don't appear to have a brow ridge and your forehead looks more typically female in shape (rounded rather than flat and sloping).  Oh yeah, the size and shape of your jaw is also more typically female.

Melissa

Hi guys,

Is this moderator still here?

What lovely comments she gave me during a time when I was so low.
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