Ok so hey guys, i hope i dont offend anyone by what i am going to be posting next. I dont know many transgendered men and every time i have ever ran into one...i've always felt too shy to ask.
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
1.) I have found t girls attractive before, and I would date one if I met one that I liked (never met one in person though.)
2.) Guys clothes are so much more comfortable than girls. Maybe thats just because I feel akward as hell in girls clothes. Ive worn boy clothes as far back as I can remember, maybe since I was three or so, when I could talk. I went through a stage for maybe a year in high school where I tried to somewhat present female, and it was the worst time of my life!
1. Yes, and yes.
2. I always had a hard time finding womans that fit so I always wore a lot of mens clothes, even before I knew the word transgender. The pockets are useless. The womens stuff is made more for fashion then function. A hoodie will be nearly thin as a t shirt and $40 where as a guys will be warm and $20.
OMG sharky, i have never realized the logic in that...but i guess it goes down to the basic idea that men tend to be more programmed towards simplicity, function, and efficiency. Whereas girls tend to be more drawn towards things that are pretty, and would put prettiness before functionality every time!
Like i LOVE LOVE pretty things, and girls clothes feel amazing, and i have a walk in closet full of lingerie, socks, hats, gloves etc. plus, girls clothes offer WAY more variety..comes in a million colors and designs./styles.
Ive always thought guys clothes are so bland, too big, too heavy, too masculine, too black, too stiff, too simple...and no pretty colors.
It's amazing how different men and women are...hmmmm
Ive also observed that FTMs are a LOT more masculine than genetic males, i dont know how i observed this but for some reason i am pretty sure this is the case.
I don't think that transguys are any more masculine than biomales. The ratio is probably about the same. I'm not super masculine myself but I think I'm pretty average.
I have found a few t girls attractive. I would never not date a girl just because she was trans.
And wearing male clothes in normal. I am programmed for function and logic, male clothes correspond pretty well with that. It is also easier in the winter because I'm more of a layers person and mens clothes pretty much come in a few basic colors that could all together so I don't have to think too much about getting dressed in the morning haha.
1. Yes, yes. And I actually know an ftm who is dating an mtf.
2. Women's clothing is meant to hug one's figure. As a result, it makes me uncomfortably aware of my curves. For example, I don't like being able to feel my jeans touching the underside of my butt, because it reminds me that my butt sticks out. Also, even in androgynous looking women's clothing, there are small differences that make me self conscious and worried someone will notice. Agreed that men's clothing is more functional. I can't stand shallow pockets, jeans that don't stand up to wear, or useless jackets.
I wouldn't be so sure about FTMs being more masculine than bio men. I know of lots of genderqueer ftms and flamboyant ftms. I think some might seem more masculine because we're hit with a lot of insecurities and sometimes overcompensate. Like insecure men who drive enormous trucks and hummers despite the impracticality.
1. I find women attractive and think I could fall for a trans woman just as I could fall for a cis woman.
2. I never wore "girl clothes" so I can't say I know.
1. Yes and yes. I haven't dated one, but her being trans wouldn't really change how I felt about her either way.
2. I like guys' shirts a lot better because my shoulders are kind of wide for girls' shirts, and I prefer the way guys' clothing fits/looks in general. But I don't really notice what I'm wearing or what I look like when I'm not specifically thinking about it.
I also noticed that there are a lot more "younger" trans men then there are compared to women? Is it because it is more accepted?
Most of you guys are 16-20 right?
You need to take into consideration that many of the older transmen just woodwork and fade away. That often also means not coming to places like this.
Like Carson, I don't think FTMs are any more masculine than the average guy. I'm not super masculine myself. As for age? I don't know about that. I can think of several guys here above age 20.
1. I can recognize aesthetic female beauty, but I'm not attracted to women, so no.
2. Wearing guy clothing feels so much better than wearing girl clothing. When I've been forced into dresses I feel all wrong and like I'm wearing drag. When I wear guy jeans and T-shirts I just feel comfortable. I've not done it yet, but I imagine wearing a suit or other particularly masculine clothing would feel awesome.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 05:35:27 PM
I also noticed that there are a lot more "younger" trans men then there are compared to women? Is it because it is more accepted?
Most of you guys are 16-20 right?
I don't think it's more accepted, and I don't really think that there's more younger trans men compared to women.
I'm 23.
Older transmen are far less likely to hang out around transgender support forums.
I'm in my 30s and I'm only recently transitioning. I do feel out of place sometimes in forums that are mostly guys in their teens and early 20s, but I feel like I get something out of being here and that I have something to offer as a big brother. I can't say that as I move past the transitioning part in my life, and I'm just any other dude, that I'll continue to want to answer the same question after question about transitioning, T, binding, packing, etc. from a new crop of young'ens. I think that's natural. ;D
And to answer the original questions:
1. No. Not attracted to women, no matter how they were born.
2. Before I came out to myself, I preferred men's clothes to women's clothes, because they are more functional, comfortable, and more my 'style' to the extent I have one (is drab and lazy a style?). After figuring out I'm trans, wearing girl clothes feels like drag to me. I also like that in guy's clothes it's easier to figure out what you're supposed to be wearing for: formal attire, professional wear, business casual, and ordinary stuff. I never understood it for girl's clothes, and I couldn't pull it off - everything but the most formal clothes looked dressed down on me (see drab and lazy as a style) because I didn't know the girl fashion rules that make mixing and matching how dressy things are work.
1 Yes I find them attractive. I don't like romanitc relationships so the answer is no (same answer the cis women get) as for taking out girls for fun (cis or trans) the answer is yes. I like taking girls to dinner or to the park but screw relationships lol.
2 guys clothes feel more natural because I am a guy. Same as you wearing girls clothes. I guess if I really look at why guys clothes feels better on me is because its loose and I can move without it being tight on me and I can fit stuff in the pockets. Its a lot cheaper too.
1. Well my girlfriend is MTF so I guess that answers your question :)
2. Women's clothing makes me feel like crap. I haven't worn anything female in over a year, good riddance. I always preferred guys clothes, but there was only so much I could ask for, so I had to live with the wardrobe I was provided.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
Ok so hey guys, i hope i dont offend anyone by what i am going to be posting next. I dont know many transgendered men and every time i have ever ran into one...i've always felt too shy to ask.
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
It doesn't offend me. (:
1. Yeah, I've found t-girls attractive before. And yes, I'd date one if I was interested in her.
2. Guys clothing is just a lot more comfortable, and I prefer to wear them, you know?
1. Sadly I have never met one; thus, can't answer for sure.
2. Wearing "women's" clothes to me is like dressing up in a pink tutu to a funeral... It fells just beyond "not right": uncomfortable, impractical, overpriced; too eye-catchy, when all I want is to blend in.
A number of ladies on this forum strike me as very beautiful and intelligent people. I would like to meet some of them. Therefore I think that answer is yes.
I never understood how anyone can wear women's clothes, they just don't fit right. The waist would be way too tight and/or hips way too large, tops are better but still not made right. Dresses are for insane people in asylums, or maybe real women.
I'm not attracted to women at all, so no on the first question.
I don't know what to say about clothing. I haven't worn women's clothing in decades, and I never liked it to begin with. I tried for a little while, but...I was just going through the motions.
I'm 48.
All I have to say is - is that you in your avatar? :-*
What clothing you wear, or want to wear is not a gender issue, it's a fashion problem. That not determined by birth, gender, god or biology - its designed and created and marketed by humans, for money.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
#1 - Attractive is such a relative term ... what's attractive to one person may not be to another and all that. Personally, I've seen many attractive t-girls. I never really limited myself as far as dating went (not that I did a lot of dating) - I would get attracted to a person and sometimes something might spark and sometimes not.
#2 - All of my girl clothing is not very girly. Never owned skirts or dresses. The number of times I've been in a dress (after the age of 2) I can count on one hand. That has always felt very uncomfortable to me.
Quote from: tekla on December 18, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
What clothing you wear, or want to wear is not a gender issue, it's a fashion problem. That not determined by birth, gender, god or biology - its designed and created and marketed by humans, for money.
beautifully said.
it's not like all the scene boys wearing the girls pants are trans anyway.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
Whereas girls tend to be more drawn towards things that are pretty, and would put prettiness before functionality every time!
That's pretty much gender binarism bull->-bleeped-<-. The bulk of it is down to socialisation.
That's pretty much gender binarism bull->-bleeped-<-.
I thought that was pretty much the general idea for most people. I see more stereotypes being pushed on here than on FreeRepublic.
Quote from: tekla on December 19, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
I thought that was pretty much the general idea for most people. I see more stereotypes being pushed on here than on FreeRepublic.
It's because many people are concerned about "passing" (whether they're MTF or FTM) - they have to get past the passing point to feel the confidence needed to basically say screw it to fashion etc. At least that's how I look at it. I've seen some people post AFTER they do get some confidence that they're not afraid to then "go out of bounds" of the "normal" gender-defined fashion, mannerisms, etc.
I'm not really worried about passing because I'm not transitioning into anything. But when people are really concerned about being read as only male or only female it seems that the stereotypical male or female things are what they do most often. Like I said, that's not me, but I think that's an answer for the phenomenon.
Quote from: insideontheoutside on December 19, 2010, 01:44:47 AM
It's because many people are concerned about "passing" (whether they're MTF or FTM) - they have to get past the passing point to feel the confidence needed to basically say screw it to fashion etc. At least that's how I look at it. I've seen some people post AFTER they do get some confidence that they're not afraid to then "go out of bounds" of the "normal" gender-defined fashion, mannerisms, etc.
I entirely agree with that. I love pink and purple mens polo shirts but I look female when wearing them. Once I've been on T for a while and am seen as a man wearing them instead of a female wearing them my clothing taste will change a bit.
To answer the original questions
1. yes and yes
2. I don't see the point in girls clothes truthfully. I've been wearing guys clothes since I was old enough to dress myself. Cheaper, like today I just went out and bought a pack of 3 T-shirts for $6. Nice and simple. Plus women's jean pockets just don't make sense to me. Why are they so short? I always have to carry my moms keys if she doesn't want to use a purse because the pockets are so small.
Quote from: tekla on December 19, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
That's pretty much gender binarism bull->-bleeped-<-.
I thought that was pretty much the general idea for most people.
Ayup.
1. Yes and yes. Like others, I'd never not date a girl just because she's trans. I also would never date a girl simply because she was attractive. It comes down to personality for me.
2. I've been wearing guy's clothes since I was about six or seven years old. Except for jeans. My mom decided that if I would wear boy shirts, I had to wear girl jeans. But then I just stole my brother's, haha. I definitely prefer male clothes. They're far more comfortable, I find, and more practical. I have one pair of girl jeans that I wear because I like the way they fit around my calves and ankles. They're ridiculously thin, probably because they're made to make your hips more noticeable. I can hardly fit my phone in the front pocket, my iPod doesn't fit at all, and my wallet apparently didn't fit in the back pocket, because it fell out and was stolen a few weeks ago.
I have a particular pair of mens' jeans that have pockets nearly half a foot deep. Everything fits ^_^
Quote from: Robert F. on December 19, 2010, 01:50:22 AM
I can hardly fit my phone in the front pocket, my iPod doesn't fit at all, and my wallet apparently didn't fit in the back pocket, because it fell out and was stolen a few weeks ago.
I have a particular pair of mens' jeans that have pockets nearly half a foot deep. Everything fits ^_^
You know, I just have to comment on the pocket thing. WTF is with pockets in women's jeans? You can't even fit your whole hand in there. Do they just assume women don't use pockets for anything?
Quote from: insideontheoutside on December 19, 2010, 01:53:05 AM
You know, I just have to comment on the pocket thing. WTF is with pockets in women's jeans? You can't even fit your whole hand in there. Do they just assume women don't use pockets for anything?
I think the only thing I own with pockets in it is my dressing gown. My handbag is used for everything else.
Quote from: CaitJ on December 19, 2010, 01:54:29 AM
I think the only thing I own with pockets in it is my dressing gown. My handbag is used for everything else.
My friends and I had a discussion that lasted like a half hour a few weeks ago about why mens pockets are soooo much deeper. I think we just came to the conclusion that girls have purses to put everything in. I just know that I keep my keys, wallet, phone, and cigarettes in my pockets, so its a good thing their so deep.. definitely a lot more practical.
1. My attraction to women is 50% based on, horribly and selfishly, how masculine she makes me feel. So it really doesn't matter if she's trans or not. The other 50% if her personality is compatible and mine and my friends. Even with just an E-pen I'm caught by the men have only enough blood to think with one head rule. This is not something I'm proud of.
2. I've kinda learned to treat wearing women's clothing like cosplaying or being a drag-queen. Since I usually only wear women's clothes for "special occasions" or seeing my family, I've kinda learned to treat the make-up, wigs or extensions, heels, etc. as "playing dress up." Sounds weird I know, but I almost enjoy it when it's only on occasion at this point. Like hey, why only wear a costume for Halloween and Anime/Comic Conventions.
As far as girls liking pretty, pretty shiny and trans guys being more masculine goes. Sure, I do most my male bonding by working out at each others' martial arts studios, playing table-top war games or online war games, or drink a whole lot and then rough house with each other with boffer weapons, or I don't know, pee standing up. All very nice and "macho." But at the same time, the guy on this link, is my guide of what I want to look like. To most people he's not really the definition of masculinity, and there are plenty of fashion over function stuff on him. http://parkminnie.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/taegoon-dressed-to-kill-photo-shoot/ (http://parkminnie.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/taegoon-dressed-to-kill-photo-shoot/)
I even took his photo to my hair dresser to cut it like his XD
Quote from: JosephKT on December 19, 2010, 02:18:56 AM
1. My attraction to women is 50% based on, horribly and selfishly, how masculine she makes me feel. So it really doesn't matter if she's trans or not. The other 50% if her personality is compatible and mine and my friends. Even with just an E-pen I'm caught by the men have only enough blood to think with one head rule. This is not something I'm proud of.
2. I've kinda learned to treat wearing women's clothing like cosplaying or being a drag-queen. Since I usually only wear women's clothes for "special occasions" or seeing my family, I've kinda learned to treat the make-up, wigs or extensions, heels, etc. as "playing dress up." Sounds weird I know, but I almost enjoy it when it's only on occasion at this point. Like hey, why only wear a costume for Halloween and Anime/Comic Conventions.
As far as girls liking pretty, pretty shiny and trans guys being more masculine goes. Sure, I do most my male bonding by working out at each others' martial arts studios, playing table-top war games or online war games, or drink a whole lot and then rough house with each other with boffer weapons, or I don't know, pee standing up. All very nice and "macho." But at the same time, the guy on this link, is my guide of what I want to look like. To most people he's not really the definition of masculinity, and there are plenty of fashion over function stuff on him. http://parkminnie.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/taegoon-dressed-to-kill-photo-shoot/ (http://parkminnie.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/taegoon-dressed-to-kill-photo-shoot/)
I even took his photo to my hair dresser to cut it like his XD
How interesting, yes i am the same way too girly-wise. I think it is because i grew up in a very strict asian family where my mother...when she found out i was trans, was surprisingly very supportive and raised me as a girl. So therefore raised me with strict female gender roles. And i like that, i am kind of the stereotypical feminine girl and my dream has always been to play the hot housewife one day haha. I love being feminine and i like macho guys, mostly because i follow that traditional female role without giving up my liberties as the modern woman. we all indulge in a little of that conventional gender display, it's normal =]
Quote from: Forum Admin on December 18, 2010, 11:31:52 PM
All I have to say is - is that you in your avatar? :-*
yes =]
1. Yeah, I've found transchicks attractive. Heck, I was married to one for a couple years. Too many issues... but that was her. That's not all transwomen. I'm with a gg now, but it makes no difference to me. I'm attracted to the person, not the anatomy, natal or otherwise.
2. I abhor women's clothing, on myself. On women, it's great. However, I pretty well object to the entire concept that men's clothing is made better, costs less, and is more comfortable than women's, because it seems a travesty for women. When I was a kid and unable to choose my own clothing, I never did understand why everything available to me had to have frills, or why it fell apart within weeks. I'll stick with my men's attire... it might be boring in style and sometimes color, but at least it's comfy.
As per age, I'm 28. I think the younger folks on here just have more time for internet whatnot.
SD
QuoteHow interesting, yes i am the same way too girly-wise. I think it is because i grew up in a very strict asian family where my mother...when she found out i was trans, was surprisingly very supportive and raised me as a girl. So therefore raised me with strict female gender roles. And i like that, i am kind of the stereotypical feminine girl and my dream has always been to play the hot housewife one day haha. I love being feminine and i like macho guys, mostly because i follow that traditional female role without giving up my liberties as the modern woman. we all indulge in a little of that conventional gender display, it's normal =]
And this is when I do a double coming out to my parents, them on one side of the couch and us the the other, wearing a full suit bearing gift of whatever fruit is in season, saying "Mother, Father, I'm male. Also, meet the woman of my dreams. Mom, stop crying, she'll be a great daughter-in-law, I swear. Oh, you're still getting over the first part... well you can't say I don't look dapper, right?"
-sigh- I wish so hard I could be allowed to be a son for my parents. Sorry to drag you into my fantasy. I think my dream of being "proper son" is even worse because I'm first-born.
there is no gender binarism, however every Saturday afternoon the shops are full of females choosing pretty things, and there are more of these shops than shops selling plain stuff that males buy, and the vast majority of females buying the pretty things do look stereotypically female and the males buying male stuff do look and act like stereotypical males.
Quote from: JosephKT on December 19, 2010, 03:31:57 AM
And this is when I do a double coming out to my parents, them on one side of the couch and us the the other, wearing a full suit bearing gift of whatever fruit is in season, saying "Mother, Father, I'm male. Also, meet the woman of my dreams. Mom, stop crying, she'll be a great daughter-in-law, I swear. Oh, you're still getting over the first part... well you can't say I don't look dapper, right?"
-sigh- I wish so hard I could be allowed to be a son for my parents. Sorry to drag you into my fantasy. I think my dream of being "proper son" is even worse because I'm first-born.
Thats so interesting haha, it's so refreshing to meet another Asian transperson. Just culturally it is a totally different experience trying to be an American while clinging on to Asian values too. I remember in high school i was trying super hard to please my parents by getting straight A's (anything else was considered fail...even an A- would get a sigh of disappointment from my mother) and balancing my gender confusion. I am soooo lucky that my parents were so amazingly understanding, i was not first born....but i was the youngest and my mother has always wanted a girl, there were 5 boys. When she knew i was trans she definitely took the chance to raise me to be a proper lady. STrangely i havent encountered many or any issues blossoming, it came pretty natural for me.
Quote from: lilacwoman on December 19, 2010, 03:39:35 AM
there is no gender binarism, however every Saturday afternoon the shops are full of females choosing pretty things, and there are more of these shops than shops selling plain stuff that males buy, and the vast majority of females buying the pretty things do look stereotypically female and the males buying male stuff do look and act like stereotypical males.
I think everyone is guilty somewhat of filling in those stereotypes whether we like it or not, i mean, why deny it? Even for me sometimes i hate being so stereotypically female in that after i take a shower i always have to put lotion on afterward, or i cannot trust my bf to cook dinner because i like to decorate the garnish with little flowers, or use the best china for guests, or the light dimmer has to be orchestrated perfectly with the type of music that is playing. But i'd hate changing the tires or lifting anything.
QuoteI remember in high school i was trying super hard to please my parents by getting straight A's (anything else was considered fail...even an A- would get a sigh of disappointment from my mother)
Oh gawd, the sigh of disappointment, how many Asian teens were crushed by that one. For me it was the silent look of disapproval. The funny thing is I started doing that when I started being a martial arts instructor, to non-verbally let my students know when they were goofing off to much.
I get the feeling my mom is still not over me not sending in my application to Yale, though see never brings it up. Unfortunately, whenever I exhibited behavior even closely resembling male or took pride in having boyish attitudes she was quick to squash it. I still remember asking her stupid questions about super-heroes as a little kid, and her telling me "girls don't ask things like that."
Quote from: JosephKT on December 19, 2010, 04:02:33 AM
Oh gawd, the sigh of disappointment, how many Asian teens were crushed by that one. For me it was the silent look of disapproval. The funny thing is I started doing that when I started being a martial arts instructor, to non-verbally let my students know when they were goofing off to much.
I get the feeling my mom is still not over me not sending in my application to Yale, though see never brings it up. Unfortunately, whenever I exhibited behavior even closely resembling male or took pride in having boyish attitudes she was quick to squash it. I still remember asking her stupid questions about super-heroes as a little kid, and her telling me "girls don't ask things like that."
OMG i SO SO know that look. It's kinda like when i told my mother i didnt want to be a doctor...i'd rather be a teacher and shes like.."WHAT?? teacher make no money!! Be like your brothers...be doctor/dentist/pharmacist!" I was like...ummmmmm NO. She didnt make me go to Yale, i went to UCLA instead. It was the same thing with boys...whenever i told her i met a guy she would immediately ask if he was white...if i said yes she would throw her arms up in the air and start asking god what happened to her daughter. If he was asian she would ask if he was tall/smart/handsome/educated...if he does not fit the bill then i would have to scratch that and try again. My current boyfriend she adores and loves him, so after a million years she is finally satisfied with one guy that i actually love.
Quote from: lilacwoman on December 19, 2010, 03:39:35 AM
there is no gender binarism,
What? You're have a history on here of being binaristic and touting the gender binary as absolute.
Are genderqueer and androgyne people just 'pretending'? Is that what you're trying to say?
Quotehowever every Saturday afternoon the shops are full of females choosing pretty things, and there are more of these shops than shops selling plain stuff that males buy, and the vast majority of females buying the pretty things do look stereotypically female and the males buying male stuff do look and act like stereotypical males.
This is due to something called 'socialisation'.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 19, 2010, 03:55:27 AM
I think everyone is guilty somewhat of filling in those stereotypes whether we like it or not, i mean, why deny it?
Having an awareness of why we do certain things and analysing the root cause (Is it socialisation? Is it habit? Is it to pass? Do I really like this activity?) is the critical thing here. If you are fulfilling a stereotype for the sake of appearing more female to others, then that's a little questionable. If you're enforcing stereotypical behaviour because you think men and women have specific roles which they should act out, then that's plain ugly.
There's nothing wrong with being 'girly' and doing 'girly' things, so long as we understand that nothing is inherently 'girly' - any more than drawing eyebrows on a dog makes it inherently more 'doggy'.
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Quote from: insideontheoutside on December 19, 2010, 01:53:05 AM
You know, I just have to comment on the pocket thing. WTF is with pockets in women's jeans? You can't even fit your whole hand in there. Do they just assume women don't use pockets for anything?
I'm pretty sure that women's jean have pockets that are intended to give a certain look and fit with the fabric (from the detailing and whatnot). The theory being that women won't buy jeans that don't make them look good (in butt or otherwise), whether the pockets are functional or not. As a result, most pockets in women's jeans are about the decoration and how the detailing draws the eye in a particular way. This might not be as necessary for men, due to the differences in body shape.
I know it's a stereotype, but if you pooled a bunch of women and asked: would you rather have jeans that make you look better but have no useful pockets or would you rather sacrifice on shape/look for pockets, it would be clear what they would pick.
If you told a guy, here is a pair of jeans that makes your butt look a bit better, but you get no pockets, he'd prob be all WTF.
yeah there are some hot T girls that I've met. I donno. I'm in a happy relationship so at this point in time I'd have to say no.
Ummm.. Girls clothes make me feel disgusting.
Q 1 Do I find T girls attractive. Well, in a romantic or sexual sense no because I'm gay but attractive yes.
Q 2 Guys clothes, I find more practical and comfortable and the cost seems based on the quality of the material, women's fashions you get charged for aesthetic detailing like pockets and trim. Women's pockets seem to be put there for show not for holding anything but I guess its all about showing the female figure off as being shapely not covering it up with lumpy bulging pockets. For me men's clothes is also saying something about myself like self-confidence. In an ideal world gender wouldn't matter and anyone could wear whatever they feel good in.
I've lived more than 50 years but my head doesn't know that :laugh: You are as old as you feel so on that score I'm about 27. I'll talk to anyone on my wavelength regardless of age. Very unmasculine huh. I've done some macho sports, when I was younger and fitter but I'm not a macho guy. I'm just me.
For me at this point, I am only attracted to bio women (in womens clothing!).
I'm older than all of you!
Girls/womens clothes always bugged me and I've worn them as little as possible for most of my life. I have no waist to speak of (hips and waist about the same size), and all of the pants would be so narrow in the waist--to get the waist comfortable, the butt/hips would have to be so big!! So they never fit me right. I agree with whoever said about the ruffles and bows and crap...I was always crazy as a child to just get plain, tailored clothing and none of that flowery crap. Nowadays I wear mens clothes almost exclusively whether I'm trying to pass or not. I just think they're so much more attractive, and I look better in them. The colors and practical nature are way more ME. Actual working pockets, buttons on the correct side, etc. I do rough outdoorsy stuff a lot, and I can't picture doing any of it in womens clothes. Ugh.
This made me remember a time when I was about 8, I had a very wise aunt who "got" who I was before I even did and gave me an army uniform for Christmas! Best present ever to this little 8 year old girl/boy!
1) My sexuality is still kinda undetermined yet, so IDK if I would find a T-women attractive. I find T-women to be the exact same as cis women.
2)It's been almost a decade since I wore femanine clothes but I find mens clothes more comfortable. Not only that but my build is more masculine. Womens jeans=epic wedgy. I need crotch room and butt room. I think the crotch in my jeans is approx. 6 in from the actual crotch. Also women wear there pants up to there boobs so the shape of the jeans is all off. My jeans are just above the pubes, right below the crack. Mens shirts have larger armpit holes IDK if I could even find a womens shirt that had big enough armpit holes to fit.
And underwear, female underwear is the skimpiest thing ever even the granny pannies, there just an all day wedgy. Mens underwear are so much more comfortable and allow for more room and don't ride up as bad.
1. I find T-woman attractive. I find all genders attractive :D
2. Mens clothing...comfier, and they have cooler t-shirt designs. Though pants are limited when it comes to short heights...
I even like T-girls more than the biological ones. They unsderstand me and are much more open about differences (most of the time)
I wear male clothes cause i like it more, i feel more like myself with them. Also, it's hard to find female clothes when you're not in great shape.
:D socialisation
Quote from: Marcelo Caetano on December 19, 2010, 02:13:21 PM
I even like T-girls more than the biological ones. They unsderstand me and are much more open about differences (most of the time)
Funny, I get along best with FtMs. If I had to choose between them and bio males, I would choose them all day, every day.
more the happy to answer your questions :]
1) I'm not attracted to anyone (or anything) in general but I can see a T girl and find her to be aesthetic very pleasing to the eye. Just in the same way I can find cis girls pleasing. So is all gud to me.
2) girl clothes are ugly and make me feel crappy, they accurate my female figure to what I'm highly dyshoric about. I just hate wearing girl stuff in general. Besides being uncomfortable ... I just feel really ridiculous and the anxiety jumps tru the roof.
I'm so glad those days are over, where I can wear a snappy shirt and mens jeans and go out of the house without my mind going in overdrive.
Quote from: regan on December 19, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
Funny, I get along best with FtMs. If I had to choose between them and bio males, I would choose them all day, every day.
They are much more funny, I really like my t-girls friends.
1. Too hard for me to answer because I'm only attracted to one girl and she's not a trans girl.
2. When I put on girl clothes I feel like I'm cross-dressing (no offense to people who cross-dress) and I'm not the kind of guy who likes cross-dressing. I feel weird, exposed, and just down right miserable if I even have to wear socks that are womens.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
Ok so hey guys, i hope i dont offend anyone by what i am going to be posting next. I dont know many transgendered men and every time i have ever ran into one...i've always felt too shy to ask.
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
1. Im open-minded with my sexuality, so I like people for who they are. But yes I have been attracted to Tgirls, and yes I would date one doesnt matter where they are in their transition I would still see them as the woman they are just like I hope they will see me as the man I am even if im pre-op pre-t.
2. Guy's clothing is way more comfortable, rommier, looser, less form fitting. The only girl clothing ill wear is skinny jeans, cause I like em tight, and briefs for the same reason.
I always thought the deep pockets were so that others couldnt see what u were doing with your hand
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
Ive always thought guys clothes are so bland, too big, too heavy, too masculine, too black, too stiff, too simple...and no pretty colors.
It's amazing how different men and women are...hmmmm
Lol! Too true! I find this funny because I'm almost the exact opposite. I've always passed right by the women's section because I find it all boring and too bright and cheery! :) When I was a kid I always wanted to wear the boy clothes because they had awesome dinosaurs and ninjas and cool stuff on them, while my mother tried to shove me in pink shirts with Strawberry Shortcake on them. ^_^;
As to the poll:
1. N/A Not attracted to folks of either gender really...though I do think trans girls are just as pretty (and often prettier, because of the extra effort/awareness ) than bio girls.
2. To me, Men's clothing is much more comfortable and better fitting. It always seemed to me that women's pants were cut too low, crotch too short, pockets to small, and the shirts too flimsy and low. Men's pants and shirts fit me perfect, and I don't have to be paranoid that my wallet is going to pop out of my back pocket. :) Of course, I think the concealment factor adds to it...men's clothing is much more forgiving of feminine curves! hehe
1. I have found t girls attractive, but I am gay so no, I wouldn't date one.
2. I feel naked in most girl's clothing and high heels are the work of the devil.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
Ive always thought guys clothes are so bland, too big, too heavy, too masculine, too black, too stiff, too simple...and no pretty colors.
No such thing as too black. :3
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Quote from: Shayne on December 21, 2010, 09:53:14 AM
2. I feel naked in most girl's clothing and high heels are the work of the devil.
No such thing as too black. :3
No one could figure out why I said I felt safer in a bed sheet than a dress or heels. It was because a dress felt naked and a sheet at least covered you. Toga party anyone?
I agree on the black too. black jeans, dress shirts, ties, t shirts etc. I do have some color too tho...navy blue like.
1. Gender isn't much of an issue with me, so yeah, I find T girls as attractive as anyone else. Honestly, little things like hair color would be more important to me than cis/trans when it came to dating.
2. I've tried a number of different styles over the years ranging from frumpy to over the top trying to find something I felt right in. I found a number of things that I look good in, but it's always felt like dressing up a doll. It was really more of a social connection thing, and I never actually felt associated with my body or appearance. When I wear men's clothing, I feel like I actually can see myself in my reflection, which is an oddly wonderful feeling. I guess this is a fairly long-winded answer to your question, but yes, I do feel more comfortable in just about any men's clothing than any women's styles.
If a girl is cute, she's cute, regardless of being a trans girl or not.
I sometimes wear women's clothes for kicks. Skirts and dresses and all that jazz. I get an adrenaline rush from it ("Oh my god! Haha! They see a woman in a dress, but if they knew, oh, if they knew..."), and I get a slight thrill from looking at women's underwear as well (like I'm doing something very forbidden). It's just that "oohh, I can do forbidden stuffz!!" type of thrill.
I don't feel that way about the men's section, though.
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
Yes, definitely. I've found a lot of them attractive. And I would totally date one. Of course it would take some getting used to, since I have only dated cis-males so far, but I really would try that.
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
I've never really worn what could be considered girls clothing... but it feels much more accurate to wear guy's clothing. To me. Yep.
1. I'm pretty sure I'm with my "The One" so this is a tough question for me to answer. Hypothetically speaking, I could probably date anyone if the feelings were right, man or woman, cis- or transgendered. But for the most part, I do consider myself a heterosexual transman.
2. I've always preferred raking through the boys and mens racks, even as a kid. I was always jealous of the boys at school because they got to wear such cool clothes, and I had to wear girly stuff. When I hit fourteen I just started buying men's shirts and pants, and it stuck ever since. Why? I guess I like the way I look and feel. Woman's clothing may be very pretty and fashionable, but I like seeing them on the ladies. Not me. :)
1. I am attracted to women but do not find trans-women attractive therefore I could not date one
2. In guys clothes I finally feel myself. They give me confidence and I feel masculine in them. I also find them to be way more comfortable. Pre Transition I couldn't wait to get my tight jeans and tight shirt off, now I am totally kewl chillin' around the house in my jeans and t-shirt.
1. I'm attracted to generally everybody (If like their personality, we click, gender stuff kind of flies out of the window), so, yea, I could date a transwoman.
2. I much prefer men's clothes on a day-to-day basis. I'm extremely dysphoric about my thighs/butt/hip area, and my chest so if girl's clothes accentuate them I don't like it. That cuts a pretty big swath through the clothes that are available for women. Plus, I've seen pictures of me with generic women's clothes on- not pretty. Women's clothes are a bit too "loud" in the colour/pattern department, and they fit as tight as gloves in most cases from what I've seen of fashion. If I'm going full-out drag queen, though, I kind of like it because I'm not really connecting to myself. My drag queen moments are more like I'm dressing up a doll than dressing up myself. In those moments, I do like very "loud" dresses.
Men's clothes are my preferred type of clothing to wear because they are all pretty monotone in terms of colour, at least where I get them. That helps because I don't like having a lot of bright, chaotic colours in what I wear unless I want something to be very bright (which is where accessorizing comes in). They are also perfect because they are very forgiving when it comes to my weight. I have almost always felt skinnier and more handsome in men's clothes than women's. They just fit better, and make me feel happier with myself.
1 I would and have dated one
2 Cant remember the last time i wore womens clothes but then why would i? i'm male
1. No, because I've realized/admitted that I'm only into guys. There are plenty of beautiful transgirls, but there's zero sexual attraction for me. Exactly how I feel about cis girls.
2. Depends. Pants-wise, I'm still struggling to find men's jeans that fit right. As far as tops, though, I cringe even thinking about wearing girly stuff.
I live in mostly band shirts, button up and jackets so...I'm pretty set.
1. Yes and Yes
2. Most of my clothes are gender netural or female clothing so N/A to that.
1. I'm not attracted to women at all, so no. But there are a lot of damn handsome transguys out there. So, good job, bros. *two thumbs up* 8)
2. I've always, even as a little kid, felt terribly embarrassed and humiliated by being forced to wear girl's clothes. I've felt humiliated and like a big jackass as an adult when I've had to wear women's clothes. I feel really confident dressed up and with a tie on, which is new for me because I've always been a strictly cargo pants & band shirt kind of person.
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
Ok so hey guys, i hope i dont offend anyone by what i am going to be posting next. I dont know many transgendered men and every time i have ever ran into one...i've always felt too shy to ask.
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
1. I have seen some beautiful t-girls and I would date one. Girls are girls to me regardless of if they're trans or not.
2. Guy's clothing is way more comfortable and makes me feel more covered up then girl's clothing. I do like girl's clothing sometimes, though. The clothes are usually nicer in appearance than male clothing. Neither feels truly right, though.
1. ::) maybe
2. ;D it feels awesome
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
Ok so hey guys, i hope i dont offend anyone by what i am going to be posting next. I dont know many transgendered men and every time i have ever ran into one...i've always felt too shy to ask.
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
1. I am attracted to female/woman-identified people. Transwomen are female/woman-identified people (unless otherwise expressed. For example those who identify as women, but their sex as neither female nor male). So yes, I would.
2. I'm probably the wrong person to ask as I've never really worn girl's clothing. The only times were sometimes on special occasions my mother would occasionally force me to wear a dress. As I got older that became rare. I've always just felt more comfortable in "guy's" clothing, and part of it to is that I hate tight clothing and women's clothing tends to be tight by my standards. Also I dislike the feeling of the cut of most of their clothing. Generally I feel like women's clothing restricts movement and makes me feel claustrophobic.
Edit: crap, just realised this topic is from 2010. People need to stop gravedigging. I feel like I'm not answering a question that is relevant to anyone anymore when like 2 years have passed lol
Quote from: KillBelle on December 18, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
Ok so hey guys, i hope i dont offend anyone by what i am going to be posting next. I dont know many transgendered men and every time i have ever ran into one...i've always felt too shy to ask.
1. Have you ever found t-girls attractive and, would you ever date one?
2. How does it feel to wear guy's clothing vs. girls clothing?
1) yes, I even had this experience where I was out with a friend and went like "wow shes hot" and then got over to her and notice she was trans.
2) guy clothes is normal for me, girl clothes depends, I can wear parts of girl clothes cause I dont mind if my favorite shoes/socks or whatever tend to be made for female, but dressing all up in girls clothes is like crossdressing in my mind.
1) I'm attracted to men, but I do think certain transgirls are attractive, wouldn't date one though because, again, attracted to men.
2) I like wearing male clothing a lot more....a lot of feminine clothing is designed to accentuate certain female anatomy, which makes me feel like a slab of meat to be judged based on it. Even my mom tells me I should wear clothes that show more skin because I'm a "young lady." I mean, really? Why should females be expected to show more skin if they don't want to or feel comfortable doing so? Even feminine t-shirts are usually made of that thin material that shows every curve or budge the body has. Sorry, I'm rambling. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I constantly feel judged or exposed and uncomfortable in female clothing, to me it's humiliating because I don't exactly have a show worthy body by neither standard. Males aren't expected to accentuate their upper anatomy as much and aren't expected to show off as much skin, so I'm much more comfortable in male clothing.
Yes and yes on T-girls and as far as women's clothing, I haven't worn anything made for women / girls since I was a very small child. The one piece of clothing I wore as an adult that was specifically made for women was sports bras.
1. Sure, why not?
2. Women's clothing makes me feel like a fish out of water. It makes me feel like I want the ground to swallow me. It's so uncomfortable. I was relieved when I found out what trans* was. :)
1) Definitely
2) Also definitely