->-bleeped-<- is rebellion against God
By Mike Boettcher
Dodge City Daily Globe
Posted Dec 31, 2010 @ 02:05 PM
http://www.dodgeglobe.com/opinions/x1458583597/->-bleeped-<--is-rebellion-against-God (http://www.dodgeglobe.com/opinions/x1458583597/-%3E-bleeped-%3C--is-rebellion-against-God)
DODGE CITY —
Two recent front page stories in the Dodge City Globe have prompted this response. I will be accused, by some, of being an insensitive, homophobic bigot as a result of this letter. Out of fear of being politically incorrect, many have sat back, kept silent and accepted the "wisdom of men." However, far be it from me to keep silent when the wisdom of men distorts truth.
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They will probably practice transvestism / transvestitism and may also seek hormone therapy and/or surgery to bring their bodies into conformity with their perceived gender.
The Bible has plenty to say about human sexuality. Most basic to our understanding of sex is that God created two (and only two) genders: "male and female He created them" (Genesis 1:27). All the modern-day speculation about numerous genders — or even a gender "continuum" with unlimited genders — is unbiblical.
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lols/scary............but mostly lols xP
What I always want to post on these articles is "If God made only two genders then how come there are several million intersexed people in the world?"
Such geniuses are, of course, too ignorant and stupid to even know that such people exist and even if they did they would undoubtedly tell us that we were creatures of the devil and not the work of God or something equally unhelpful. Anything but confront the fact that the bible was written nearly two thousand years ago, and though God may not have changed our understanding of HER creation certainly has! ::)
Sadly I can't register and post my question because I don't live in the USA so I lack the required Zip code, but if someone else would care to register and post my question I'd be most obliged! I don't guess we'll get any sensible response though... 8)
I would like to take the stance (just too see a reaction) that I am actively thwarting gods will and I am pretty sure we have Jesus and Mohamud on the ropes. Then invite them to join the satan worship society so that we can get them set up to have their genitals removed also.
Apparently some people have a god that can only count to two. Which seems kinda limiting. My first grader could count way past that. But then again their first grader was home schooled, so perhaps two was really gettin' up there.
The author is clearly a member of the Biblical Illiterati. What part of "and" does he not get? That "and" leaves the door open for combinations, it would have been "or" if the classes were mutually exclusive, not "and". Not to mention that Jesus, who had little to say on most of these identity/orientation issues DID wax on about the three different types of eunuchs and how they are as good as anyone. Plus we have Isaiah 56 3-5 which appears to state that eunuchs (that was covering the transsexual priestesses of the ancient world) get a better place in heaven which appears to make transsexuals the actual chosen people......
True, crossdressing is verbotten (Deut 22) as is entrance to the Temple of anyone who has had their testicles smashed between two stones, but then women aren't supposed to enter the Temple either so that could be taken as an affirmation of womanhood.
Good old Old Testament. Christianists love it, at least parts of it. They just want you to ignore the parts about stoning people for such crimes as "cursing your father and mother", and the part about not wearing clothes made of different fabrics, and the part about three daily animal sacrifices, and the part about how anyone with a "defiling skin disease" must live outside the camp and shout "Unclean! Unclean!", and the part about killing people who want to worship other gods, and all the other pieces of lunacy.
Anytime someone goes to the Bible to prove a point or to tell someone how to live I get these nagging question popping up in my head:
Why is it that God chose between (about) 1700BC and (about) 150AD to communicate with man and divinely inspire him to write the word of God?
What is about that time that was so special?
Didn't God speak to us before?
Hasn't God spoken to us since?
Why did God choose one point in time for man to forever use as a guideline for living his life?
Why didn't he keep updating his word so we can understand it in our language and in our time?
It seems to me if God is all knowing and all powerful he would have known that over time people change, languages evolve, interpretations change, circumstances change and it's ridiculous for anyone to live their life according to how people 2000-3500 years ago did. By today's standard, they were pretty ignorant back then.
Why didn't God take those things into account when he was allegedly divinely inspiring certain people to write?
And then there's the whole man deciding what was supposed to be in the Bible and what wasn't. Were they divinely inspired or were they politically inspired?
http://www.jewishmosaic.org/verses/view/2 (http://www.jewishmosaic.org/verses/view/2)
From Jewish Mosaic
QuoteWhat problem were the rabbis trying to solve?
Much of the commentary on this verse, Genesis 1:27, is an attempt to resolve two important discrepancies: 1) Both singular and plural grammatical forms are used in Genesis 1:27 to refer to the first human being(s).
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The classical rabbinic commentators believed that the Torah came directly from God. According to this interpretation, every word in the Torah is both meaningful and intentional—not a single letter is wasted, and there are no mistakes. Therefore, anything that might appear to be a "contradiction" or an "error" is actually telling the reader something important about God's creation -- the insight that lies beneath must be discovered and explained. The commentaries of Rashi, Rabbi Jeremiah ben Eleazar, and Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachman all endeavor to address one or both of the following textual issues in Genesis 1:27.
The Singular/Plural Problem
An examination of the entire verse reveals that the first created human is referred to first in the singular, and then promptly in the plural. This leads to the questions: Was that first human a single or a multiple being? How can this discrepancy be explained, and what might it have to do with the "male and female" reference in the same verse?
My own interpretation of the OT is that both G-d and the first human (Adam wasn't really the first, Lilith was) are multi-gendered.
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Quote from: rejennyrated on January 01, 2011, 09:06:46 AM
Sadly I can't register and post my question because I don't live in the USA so I lack the required Zip code,
I don't see a lot of point in commenting of this rather tired article. The arguments have been widely and conclusively dismissed by most Christians. The point of this article is clearly political.
But when I need to register using a zip code I generally use 90210 Which strangely seem so familiar.
Firstly I would like to say that I believe there is a God or maybe many Gods....... BUT
the good books are written by PEOPLE who probably never travelled far from their homes.
The Old Testament to me seems to be a Family history with a few pointers of how to live your life. It covers around 4000 years of history. So it has a lot of the story written down as third hand. You can go through the Old Testament and work out exactly when the universe supposedly started ... it was about 6000 years ago and was a thursday (SOrt of messes up the idea of Sunday being the seventh day)
The New Testament again is hearsay written down often many years after the events by either listening to the dying apostles or writing after their death. We know the bible was cobbled together in the 3rd century to try and unite lots of differing factions of Christianity who were following the various testaments of the 13 apostles. The Bible is just four of the least controversial books about Jesus with a few more books added in. SO how it becomes the word of God is beyond me. Again this book is written to try and tell people how to live their lives.
The Koran again is someone's take on what has gone before it talks of Abraham and Jesus and other Prophets so is probbly quite realistic in that bit. But again the book is parochial and written by one person who is known to have had an undrage wife and was certainly a bigot. So how you can believe that is the word of God is again beyond me.
All of these books have so many contradictions in them it is obvious they were written by different people and the Koran was written by one person over a long time and his attitude to life changes as he gets older.
The Eastern Religions are at least pretty good with their philosophy. They do just say Live your life well and be good. The Main Religions do say this but they also mention about going off and smiting your enemies.
So to get back to the question in the original post. IF there was an all controlling God then he wouldn't make mistakes and there wouldn't be wars or famines or disasters natural or otherwise, and anyone who pontificates about Trans people by invoking the Bible and God really ought to explain the wars, disasters and famines first.
End or Rant and I apologise if I have offended anyone religious
Rebellion against who?
Never heard of him.
Quote from: Vexing on January 01, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
Rebellion against who?
Never heard of him.
He's the invisible friend of a bunch of people. But some of them want to replace "invisible" with "everyone's", and "friend" with "master".
Quote from: JS on January 04, 2011, 09:51:20 AM
He's the invisible friend of a bunch of people. But some of them want to replace "invisible" with "everyone's", and "friend" with "master".
How quaint, yet totalitarian.
God. I guess cuz I'm not around my parents or in a different part of the country, I forget that there are still people who believe this kind of crap.
This is my response: http://www.transchristians.org/book/book-objections (http://www.transchristians.org/book/book-objections)
Quote from: Jerica on January 04, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
God. I guess cuz I'm not around my parents or in a different part of the country, I forget that there are still people who believe this kind of crap.
This is my response: http://www.transchristians.org/book/book-objections (http://www.transchristians.org/book/book-objections)
I'm sure I read a Bible quote somewhere that stated Jesus doesn't give a damn what gender you are - and that gender is actually irrelevant to him.
Quote from: Vexing on January 04, 2011, 05:34:39 PM
I'm sure I read a Bible quote somewhere that stated Jesus doesn't give a damn what gender you are - and that gender is actually irrelevant to him.
There is something about how god couldn't care less about the body that you are in, or what you do to it, that all he even sees is your immortal soul. Which is in a lot of ways cooler than the god that wants to flay you alive for wearing a dress! It's still a load of old tut though!
Actually Jesus wore a dress, the pope too.
The Pope terrifies me!! :o If you were making a movie and you had to cast an evil Pope, you'd get that guy! :icon_yikes:
Quote from: tekla on January 04, 2011, 06:13:20 PM
the pope too.
Yes, but he's a Sith Lord, so that's okay.
Come to the dark side...we have communion wafers?
I'm kind of an ill-defined polytheist...thus I can easily explain why the world is so messed up-it was a committee design...
Quote from: rite_of_inversion on January 04, 2011, 08:43:05 PM
I'm kind of an ill-defined polytheist...thus I can easily explain why the world is so messed up-it was a committee design...
I've always been fond of pantheons; they're so much more imperfect and human than omnipotent dictators - and if you're not a farmer or a warrior you don't have to tithe to the gods you don't need :D
Yea so.... It sounds like there is a good discussion going on with this news item thread; decided I will give my belief. My belief? I don't believe in this god... In fact, I don't believe in any god, because I don't believe a god exists. How in the world can a god, in which people are made in his image, feel ill will against transgender people? Obviously, this god is not omnipotent, and can not realize that people are made (i.e. born) this way. And even if he did realize it, why would he or she be pissed and angered over people being trans? Is being trans somehow an all out afront against his master plan? Seems like this god would have bigger issues to deal with... Of course, I don't believe any god/ gods exist. These people are just justifying their beliefs/ faith to possess some common enemy (trans people) they can fight against and demonize. Which is pointless, we as a community want good will towards others (i think it is a fair generalization). The conservative, orthodox Christian faith is merely try turn us into a scapegoat for their own self-produced ills :/ Sorry, too much bluntness, but it is what I think!
Quote from: Julie Marie on January 01, 2011, 10:58:18 AM
Anytime someone goes to the Bible to prove a point or to tell someone how to live I get these nagging question popping up in my head:
Why is it that God chose between (about) 1700BC and (about) 150AD to communicate with man and divinely inspire him to write the word of God?
What is about that time that was so special?
Didn't God speak to us before?
Hasn't God spoken to us since?
God only likes cavemen?
Quote from: tekla on January 04, 2011, 06:13:20 PM
Actually Jesus wore a dress, the pope too.
Not only does the Pope wear a dress, what about that cute hate and those shoes? Those outfits they wear at the Vatican just scream "I'm so special"
Quote from: tekla on January 04, 2011, 06:13:20 PM
Actually Jesus wore a dress, the pope too.
You mean "vestments of power"? (Bruno Battaglia - The Dress Code fka Bruno)
I know that everyone has an opinion on this matter. For me, I do know there's a God. A God of Grace,Mercy,Love and I am so thankful for His Understanding. If it wasnt for my trust in all of this, I couldnt make it. I dont feel I am rebelling against Him at all.
There can be alot of concern on this, But I know He's an awesome God....And He loves me more now than ever!
Thanks for letting me share :)
Galatians 3:28 (New International Version)
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
This is just going to be my standard response from now on.
I am not religious but my wonderful brother told me that the only job a christian has is to, "Love one another as God has loved you." He also said that God says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged." So all of the Christians out there judging and condemning are breaking God's rules.
He also told me that my lovely spouse has been a very good person all of her life and he loved her before and will continue to love her.
Because Roxy's brothers and sisters are hypocritical, biggoted, horrible people using religion to condone thier biggotry (with the exception of her oldest brother R who is wonderful too) I appreciated my brothers religious view. I thought that he Must be a VERY TRUE CHRISTIAN if ever there was one. :)
Quote from: Squirrel698 on January 05, 2011, 11:37:34 AM
Galatians 3:28 (New International Version)
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
This is just going to be my standard response from now on.
Thank you for that. :)
Quote from: Mrs Erocse on January 05, 2011, 11:50:31 AM
I am not religious but my wonderful brother told me that the only job a christian has is to, "Love one another as God has loved you." He also said that God says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged." So all of the Christians out there judging and condemning are breaking God's rules.
He also told me that my lovely spouse has been a very good person all of her life and he loved her before and will continue to love her.
Because Roxy's brothers and sisters are hypocritical, biggoted, horrible people using religion to condone thier biggotry (with the exception of her oldest brother R who is wonderful too) I appreciated my brothers religious view. I thought that he Must be a VERY TRUE CHRISTIAN if ever there was one. :)
Thanks for sharing, this is the most wonderful attitude. I have many christian friends that have this attitude but sadly not my parents, of course.
I agree Patty...I do consider myself religious, and I will use that verse as well... :)
I'm not particularly religious but I do respect other people's beliefs
It's when people use religion as a tool to meet out their own bigoted notions or hide behind it while carrying out their own evil deeds that bothers me and don't get me started on the folks that use it for financial gain and/or power trip
There is a big difference between those who practice their religion and those who abuse it
Quote from: Squirrel698 on January 05, 2011, 11:37:34 AM
Galatians 3:28 (New International Version)
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
This is just going to be my standard response from now on.
Smart lad. That's the very passage I keep bringing up but had no luck finding the exact quote :D
I took the liberty of looking up that scripture. In it's entire context it is very interesting. It is revealing that christians are no longer the old covenent or the hebrew law.
Galatians 3: 23
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Do you remember when you found out that the whole Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny stuff was just a huge fib made up by your parents to make you behave in a certain way?
You should have rethought the entire Jesus deal that that point too.
Meh, I don't really believe in all that stuff. If some crazy eye-balled priest wants to spout verses or accusations at me then I'll start chasing after him and give him something to be REALLY scared of! :o
In human history we've come up with about 2870 deities. Belief in a particular one comes from when and where you were born. Humans are mostly atheist. Most people don't believe in more gods than they do. If you only believe in the Christian God you're don't believe in 2869 gods, almost as many as me!
"->-bleeped-<- is rebellion against God"
God is a rebellion against Reason.
Quote from: Jerica on January 04, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
God. I guess cuz I'm not around my parents or in a different part of the country, I forget that there are still people who believe this kind of crap.
This is my response: http://www.transchristians.org/book/book-objections (http://www.transchristians.org/book/book-objections)
It is still cherry picking from the bible to support a personal opinion.
As previously stated there are the stone your children to death for talking back, killing your neighbor if they work on the sabbath...on and on. I find it amazing that people know these atrocious evil things are in the bible but just skip over it and grab something that appeals to them.
It is either the word of god or it is not the word of god.
Quote from: tekla on January 06, 2011, 01:21:20 AM
Do you remember when you found out that the whole Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny stuff was just a huge fib made up by your parents to make you behave in a certain way?
You should have rethought the entire Jesus deal that that point too.
Exactly!
But adults don't believe in the tooth fairy, etc. However, religious adults do believe a god exists so if a child has been brainwashed it is harder to wake the child up from it. I was a believer until about 15 years ago where I was in a 'born again' mode, carrying a bible around and reading it, listening to the bible on cassette and all of a sudden in one instant I snapped out of it. Angry god, jealous god...all the killing..rape...incest..on and on..hit me at once. And at that point I felt enlightened and guilt free. It was awesome.
Quote from: tekla on January 06, 2011, 01:21:20 AM
Do you remember when you found out that the whole Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny stuff was just a huge fib made up by your parents to make you behave in a certain way?
You should have rethought the entire Jesus deal that that point too.
Excellent observation!!! :)Quote from: Dana Lane on January 06, 2011, 04:53:16 AM
As previously stated there are the stone your children to death for talking back, killing your neighbor if they work on the sabbath...on and on. I find it amazing that people know these atrocious evil things are in the bible but just skip over it and grab something that appeals to them.
That is so true Dana. I love your new avatar by the way. :)
Quote from: tekla on January 06, 2011, 01:21:20 AM
Do you remember when you found out that the whole Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny stuff was just a huge fib made up by your parents to make you behave in a certain way?
You should have rethought the entire Jesus deal that that point too.
Heh, I was about 5 and I did. The thing about Santa, the Easter bunny, the Tooth Fairy and so on is that they were not the types to throw you into hell to burn for all eternity isolated from everyone you ever loved. Jesus our most loving heavenly father was that very type.
Not to mention the other message that's beat into many little heads. If you had any doubt in your heart at all when the rapture happened, due any day now, your parents would disappear right before your eyes. You would be left all ALONE in a world gone mad! If that's not terrifying to a 5 year old toddler I don't know what is.
One of the biggest problems I have with religion is how they torment children and adults as well through fear and manipulation. If your the foundations of your belief was that strong you wouldn't have to scare people into believing and emptying their pocket books for the sake of their eternal and obviously vulnerable soul.
Although I completely agree with what Squirrel has written, I think that it was that very thing that probably saved my life a few years ago. I had hit a real low point and could see no way forward and had some pretty heavy suicidal thoughts, and it was only that completely illogical lingering doubt from my deeply Catholic upbringing that maybe after death would come something even worse if I were to take my own life. I knew that I didn't even believe in God but some of that programming from my childhood stuck and I couldn't go through with it.
That said, all of that religion at a young age did far more to screw me up than it ever helped me!! >:(
There are so many contradictions in the bible, if you really know your stuff, you can counter just about anything the religious manipulators throw at you. But this is one you can toss back almost any time they start messing with you.
"Therefore all things whatsoever you desire that men should do to you, do you even so to them. For this is the Law and the prophets."
-- New Testament, Matthew 7:12, from the Christian tradition, circa 30 AD
And if they don't speak that language...
"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you."
-- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BC
"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary."
-- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BC
"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself."
-- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BC
"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful."
-- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BC
"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you."
-- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BC
"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated."
-- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BC
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss."
-- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 B.C.
"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you."
-- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BC
"Treat your inferiors as you would be treated by your superiors."
-- Epistle XLVII,11, from the Seneca tradition, circa 5-65 AD
"Be charitable to all beings, love is the representative of God."
-- Ko-ji-ki, Hachiman Kasuga of the Shinto tradition, circa 500 AD
"No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself."
-- Koran, Sunnah, from the Islam tradition, circa 620 AD
"We obtain salvation by loving our fellow man and God."
-- Granth, Japji XXI, from the Sikh tradition, circa 1500 AD
Obviously a lot of people throughout history felt the need to get the pressure other people were putting on them redirected back at them.
Be excellent to each other.
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Quote from: Mrs Erocse on January 06, 2011, 09:35:53 AM
Excellent observation!!! :)
That is so true Dana. I love your new avatar by the way. :)
Thank you! :-*
I was thinking about this title and I thought, "Isn't prejudice a rebellion against God?"
According to the dictionary prejudice is:
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.
5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.
One takes what God created and, without knowledge, thought or reason, causes them harm.
Quick, someone get me a Bible quote to defend my position!