Leviticus 19:28
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February 22, 2011 11:30 AM
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While Leviticus 18:22 condemns homosexuality as an abomination, Leviticus 19:28 forbids tattoos.
Ezekiel 4:12 refers to bread baked with human dung!
It does state that one should not lie with man as one does as with a woman. Well of course not. It is stating not to have anal sex with women. Think about it.
And lesbian sex is nothing like gay sex or even str8 sex.
So what if two guys do it standing up? Is that okay? :-)
Quote from: Janet Lynn on February 23, 2011, 10:39:22 AM
It does state that one should not lie with man as one does as with a woman. Well of course not. It is stating not to have anal sex with women. Think about it.
And lesbian sex is nothing like gay sex or even str8 sex.
Equally it could refer to the intent of making a baby.
Perfectly permissible for a man to lie with a man, provided they don't intend for one to become pregnant.
It is redundant that christians argue thier mute and offensive points. They ignore so many points of equal stupidity. Do you hear anyone saying, "Oh those heathens wearing linen with wool. They will surely go to hell." Yet these scriptures hold the same import as the ones they are quoting. It is shallow and stupid that they are argue one point and ignore so many by choice. Who do they think they are fooling.? It does not take a rocket scientist to see their hypocracy.
Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."
Deuteronomy 22:11
New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together.
Leviticus 19:19 "'Keep my decrees. "'Do not mate different kinds of animals. "'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. "
Kill your kids:Quote from: Exodus 21:15 (King James Version)And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Quote from: Exodus 21:17 (King James Version)And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Kill your friends and family:Quote from: Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (New American Standard Bible)6 If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' (whom neither you nor your fathers have known,
7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end),
8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him.
9 But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
...and enslave everyone else:Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46 (New American Standard Bible)44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have--you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.
45 Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession.
46 You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another.
Quote from: Janet Lynn on February 23, 2011, 10:39:22 AM
And lesbian sex is nothing like gay sex or even str8 sex.
Actually, Leviticus doesn't say anything about women on women. It talks only of men laying with men and beasts.
Apparently, lesbians are good to go. Leviticus doesn't mention them at all.
Quote from: Dana LaneSo what if two guys do it standing up? Is that okay? :-)
I'm sure God is all hunky-dory with that.
Quote from: DeuteronomyYou must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together.
That is such an abomination. That is almost as bad as eating shellfish!
Quote from: VeryGnawty on February 23, 2011, 08:53:23 PM
That is such an abomination. That is almost as bad as eating shellfish!
Aren't you also supposed to have a fence on your roof?
Quote from: E on February 23, 2011, 09:01:31 PM
Aren't you also supposed to have a fence on your roof?
I don't know about about fences on rooftops. I hope I'm not sinning. I just know not to eat shellfish. Also, I make sure my slaves don't die immediately after I beat them. I make sure they still have enough life left in them that they live for a period of time before passing out. Because, you know, God likes it that way.
Along with not eating shellfish or wearing mixed fiber clothing, those who are so fond of quoting that passage in Leviticus ought not be shaving their beards either!
Z
I go to a Baptist school, so my old teacher did a good lecture on why tattoos were bad. I don't remember her wording, but it was pretty weird.
Such lines may have made sense at the time, but nowadays they're irrelevant.
Quote from: Zythyra on February 23, 2011, 09:35:50 PM
Along with not eating shellfish or wearing mixed fiber clothing, those who are so fond of quoting that passage in Leviticus ought not be shaving their beards either!
I trimmed mine a few hours ago. I guess I'm only going to be sent halfway to hellfire.
The hateful misinterpretation and hypocracy goes on and on. Yet the basic easy to understand scriptures are totally ignored:
James 2:8 If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
Mathew 7:12 Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Luke 6:31 And as you would that men should do to you, do you also to them likewise.
Leviticus 19:18 You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
I don't believe in bible texts, someone has written it.
Religion people say that it's all love but when you read it it's completely war.
Judes against filistines, egyptians and so on.
It's such a contradiction, you have to love another and to kill him.
Everybody is interpreting it on the way it suits for the best for that person.
Most wars in history started with a religion reason.
Even today people start a holy war, like Saddam Hoesein, like Amedinejad.
People use the religion to get power of their neighbors or inhabitats.
So, I quit religion and try to do things right according to my own consience.
I happened to find the tattoo very enlightening.
I've a collection of stupid people, and this one adds to it. How dumb can people be? Read and laugh, and the fantastic thing is that the idiot cannot have it removed.
JMO
Cindy
How many men quoting texts are circumcised I wonder? I love applying the intellectual blow-torch to the metaphorical feet of idiots. >:-)
If the religious bigots want to disprove Darwinian Evolution, this character is their poster child. Darwin was wrong, we have this goof still living at last report. (Or is this a symbol of the "fittest" of the human race?? after all??? It can't be. >:-))
OMG there were OHS people around then! Fences aroud rooves, just don't go near the edge stupid!
This was written in 2007, taking a shot at talk radio host Dr. Laura Schlessinger, who often quoted the bible and at least once used it to condemn homosexuality. I still get a kick out of it.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
J. Kent Ashcraft
The one thing that is forgotten about the laws given in both Leviticus and Numbers is that in the very beginning of both. It is clearly stated that these laws were specifically given to the people of Israel. If that is the case then these are laws that apply to the nation of Israel and that being the case it is also stated if someone from another nation which to become an Israelite they had to obey these laws. But as far as i know no where does it ever state that these laws applied to those outside the nation of Israel.
Julie Marie, thank you for sharing that post.
Hugs,
Patty
Julie Marie, that was an amazing point of view about Leviticus.
I wish I could write like you.
When I read it, I tought, hey this girl knows how to debate.
My admiring for it.
Your text shows the unforgiveness of the religion, trowing stones, burn them etc.
And...I think it was written with a good sense of humor, great.
Thanks for joining the discussion, I've learned a lot from you.
hugs
annette
O.k. I know this is a bit off tract. I am also sorry if it offends anyone, but when I saw this bumper sticker today it made me laugh and think of this post.
"Jesus Loves You. The rest of us think you're an A-hole."
Sorry I know my sense of humor is off. Just wanted to share anyways.
Hugs.
Patty
Quote from: Mrs Erocse on February 25, 2011, 05:51:54 PM
O.k. I know this is a bit off tract. I am also sorry if it offends anyone, but when I saw this bumper sticker today it made me laugh and think of this post.
"Jesus Loves You. The rest of us think you're an A-hole."
Sorry I know my sense of humor is off. Just wanted to share anyways.
Hugs.
Patty
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Too Funny, Patty.
Quote from: SarahM777 on February 25, 2011, 08:18:44 AM
The one thing that is forgotten about the laws given in both Leviticus and Numbers is that in the very beginning of both. It is clearly stated that these laws were specifically given to the people of Israel. If that is the case then these are laws that apply to the nation of Israel and that being the case it is also stated if someone from another nation which to become an Israelite they had to obey these laws. But as far as i know no where does it ever state that these laws applied to those outside the nation of Israel.
Ah! Whose bible is anyway? eh? I will be happy to take my bible back! You can keep your gospels
Sabbath Shalom!
Kate
I love Bible threads so much! More dancing going on that in the Ziegfeld Follies and Alvin Ailey Company combined. Bill "Bojangles" Robinson would be proud to see this many white folk tap dancing.
Quote from: tekla on February 25, 2011, 07:50:18 PM
I love Bible threads so much!
I like to watch Biblical debates on YouTube. I've been waiting for more episodes of "God needs a quality control department"
what is to debate?
This is amazing! I never knew of this specific verse! I really dislike how people can just use parts of the Bible to further their negative agenda. :eusa_eh: It makes no sense.
Quote from: kate durcal on February 25, 2011, 07:12:03 PM
Ah! Whose bible is anyway? eh? I will be happy to take my bible back! You can keep your gospels
Sabbath Shalom!
Kate
kate.
The inclusion of the Old Testament was originally done for comparison, because Jesus and other made reference to it.
Having spoken to a number of practicing Jews I know none who claim that every word need be taken literally. The only people who do this are some American organisations, backed by huge sums of money, who preach hatred and war. These people are no more Christians than the idiots who tell young men and women to blow themselves up are Muslim. These are politically motivated opportunists who sadly, seem to weild a lot of power and fear in the US and elsewhere.
The really sad part are those that take them seriously.
I have heard many of the contemporary claims and arguments by Jewish people regarding, what Christians, from their perspective, call the Old Testament. But sadly, you too seem to have been badly misled. I cannot enter into a theological discussion on this forum about this, but if you care to start a thread in the Religion section, I will attempt to explaim the Christian Biblical position to you.
It really isn't very complicated. You may, for example, realise why it is called, The Old Testament. But that is up to you.
Seeing as one of my greatgrandmothers was Jewish, can I still have the Garlic Prawns? :D
Quote from: spacial on February 26, 2011, 06:01:04 AM
kate.
The inclusion of the Old Testament was originally done for comparison, because Jesus and other made reference to it.
Having spoken to a number of practicing Jews I know none who claim that every word need be taken literally. The only people who do this are some American organisations, backed by huge sums of money, who preach hatred and war. These people are no more Christians than the idiots who tell young men and women to blow themselves up are Muslim. These are politically motivated opportunists who sadly, seem to weild a lot of power and fear in the US and elsewhere.
The really sad part are those that take them seriously.
I have heard many of the contemporary claims and arguments by Jewish people regarding, what Christians, from their perspective, call the Old Testament. But sadly, you too seem to have been badly misled. I cannot enter into a theological discussion on this forum about this, but if you care to start a thread in the Religion section, I will attempt to explaim the Christian Biblical position to you.
It really isn't very complicated. You may, for example, realize why it is called, The Old Testament. But that is up to you.
Oh no Honey, I love you to much to get in a religious debate with you. Beside my Mommy told me never to argue about politics and/or religion :)
BTW Iusually ask my Jewish Friend who is the most famous Jew in the history of Humans?
They usually respond: "Einstein," I say "No, Jesus"
In the "Scripture Wars" of the first 350+/- years CE of the Christian Church, there were groups (noteably Marcionite Christians) who absolutely detested the inclusion of Jewish scriptures into the Christian religion. The problem was, that without the scriptures it made Christianity "too new" to be worth anything or be serious. So much for the commandment about stealing that got stolen. :police: The group that did not want the scriptures taken to Christianity were labled heretics and invited to be the guests of honor at barbecues themselves. (Burned at the stake, hmmm, how does that fit the burnt offering laws???) ???
I'd like to point out that there are trans women like myself who are Christian and take their faith seriously. I for one have just been unanimously voted onto my church board, I play and sing in our music group and I speak from the pulpit too.
I hate this kind of narrow minded debate which in all honesty is just as narrow-minded as the reasons used by some Christians, Jews, Islamist, etc, etc to condemn other people. After all we know we have it right DON'T WE.
Stardust
Quote from: Vicky on February 26, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
In the "Scripture Wars" of the first 350+/- years CE of the Christian Church, there were groups (noteably Marcionite Christians) who absolutely detested the inclusion of Jewish scriptures into the Christian religion. The problem was, that without the scriptures it made Christianity "too new" to be worth anything or be serious. So much for the commandment about stealing that got stolen. :police: The group that did not want the scriptures taken to Christianity were labled heretics and invited to be the guests of honor at barbecues themselves. (Burned at the stake, hmmm, how does that fit the burnt offering laws???) ???
That is certainly a perspective.
But a rather more obvious one is that Jesus taught that most of the laws of the OT were invalid. All that remained were the 10 Commandments.
He undermined the authority of the clergy, prohibitited killing, so prohibiting war, and taught that none of us is subject to the judgement of men, in relation to the will of God.
That got him executed. It also alienated those with ambitions to be in charge of things.
What we have seen since, is a continuing struggle between various ambitious types to undermine and suppress those three doctrines. Since these doctrines, along with a number of others, are central to Jesus' teachings, it's difficult to conclude that any of these people are actually Christian.
Quote from: stardust on February 26, 2011, 10:06:34 PM
I'd like to point out that there are trans women like myself who are Christian and take their faith seriously. I for one have just been unanimously voted onto my church board, I play and sing in our music group and I speak from the pulpit too.
I hate this kind of narrow minded debate which in all honesty is just as narrow-minded as the reasons used by some Christians, Jews, Islamist, etc, etc to condemn other people. After all we know we have it right DON'T WE.
Stardust
Stardust,
I am glad that you have found peace and acceptance in your church. We all want that for ourselves too. No one ridicules you or your church for that. I imagine you sing wonderfully, a joy for all in your church to hear.
I have not been a Christian since I was 29 yrs of age.( I did not find love or acceptance in the church I attended. Only disillusionment and hypocracy.) I am nearly 48 yrs old now. I only feel that judgment be reserved for God if there is God. And if Christians quote scriptures to support their views, they do so in context and fairly. If they don't live by the bible completely, I feel it is wrong to quote a portion, take it out of context and suggest everyone else live by that small clip. Though they ignore the surrounding scriptures and would not choose to live by any of the rest at all. When
"so many so called Christians" take this liberty it brings ridicule upon all of christianity.
There are so many that do this. In fact Roxy's family are a variety of religious family members who have done this. They belong to an assortment of religions. They excuse themselves, for child abuse, drug use, adultery, vanity, greed, theft, arrogance, slander, bigotry, laziness etc...... Yet would turn their back on Roxy for being transgender without an ounce of compassion.
Perhaps I feel very defensive of our position. I think there are many in our position and we are all out numbered by bigots who proclaim christianity and use christianity as a basis for hatred. Everyone does not wish to put down the place you love and find acceptance, but merely defend our own place in the world.
I am glad to hear you have such a great place to belong to. I wish you much happiness there. Sorry if we caused offense.
Much love and hugs.
Patty
If you go into the bible to grab the 'make me feel good' stuff you gotta go get the other bizarre and inhumane parts as well.
Quote from: Dana Lane on February 27, 2011, 11:35:22 AM
If you go into the bible to grab the 'make me feel good' stuff you gotta go get the other bizarre and inhumane parts as well.
Why?
Quote from: Mrs Erocse on February 27, 2011, 11:06:28 AM
I have not been a Christian since I was 29 yrs of age.( I did not find love or acceptance in the church I attended. Only disillusionment and hypocracy.) I am nearly 48 yrs old now. I only feel that judgment be reserved for God if there is God. And if Christians quote scriptures to support their views, they do so in context and fairly. If they don't live by the bible completely, I feel it is wrong to quote a portion, take it out of context and suggest everyone else live by that small clip. Though they ignore the surrounding scriptures and would not choose to live by any of the rest at all. When "so many so called Christians" take this liberty it brings ridicule upon all of christianity.
There are so many that do this. In fact Roxy's family are a variety of religious family members who have done this. They belong to an assortment of religions. They excuse themselves, for child abuse, drug use, adultery, vanity, greed, theft, arrogance, slander, bigotry, laziness etc...... Yet would turn their back on Roxy for being transgender without an ounce of compassion.
Perhaps I feel very defensive of our position. I think there are many in our position and we are all out numbered by bigots who proclaim christianity and use christianity as a basis for hatred.
This saddens me to the core. I know many that have found acceptance in their church and perhaps more importantly acceptance from God in Christ. My church fellowship is fantastic and the acceptance has been such that I have been given so many opportunities in ministry from within the church. I am concerned that the whole of Christianity is being judged when it is evident that some as you say, are,
So called Christians by their fruits you will know then. I too have found those
So called Christiansin other churches but not all church fellowships are the same. In this respect these should not be tarred to the same brush. Also we should not judge or we find ourselves standing in the same place as those who condemn us. Jesus only condemned the hypocrite and when we point the finger at someone we find we have more pointing back at us.
I understand where you are coming from, believe me I have seen, felt, received and been made unwelcome in the past but this does not mean that all are the same and its to their loss that I am elsewhere. That's how I view it. We live in a fallen world and as such we too are part of that fickleness of humanity, imperfect, frail, confused and outright frustrating humanity. There has been one thing that I have held onto throughout those times when I too stood condemned and its in a God who in Christ Jesus makes me whole, new and loved by him unconditionally.
Stardust
Stardust
The Dali Lama once said "My religion is kindness." Pretty much goes without saying he's not a Christian.
Quote from: tekla on February 28, 2011, 12:16:04 AM
The Dali Lama once said "My religion is kindness." Pretty much goes without saying he's not a Christian.
WHY? I know many Christians who also live by loving kindness. Please don't judge all by those examples who judge us as we can become the judge and jury ourselves. We all know where that leads.
Stardust
But see you are. That what remarks like "so-called" do is judge and damn in the same breath. And you are not alone in this thread either. We have several doing that.
My greatest concern, with the increasing, political hijacking of religion in nominally Christain and Muslim countries, is that religion plays such an important role in our cultures and national identities.
Once we lose that basis for knowing who we are, individually and as communities, we are left open to almost any manipulation. This is being seen in many, otherwise Muslim countires, where previously peaceful people are celebrating, decent young men and women, blowing themselves up. In parts of the US, there is violence and intolerance toward those deemed not part of the latest doctrine.
What is perhaps most alarming is the way so many of these activities are being portrayed as always having occured. This is simply not true.
We abandon ourselves and our indentities at our peril.
so many of these activities are being portrayed as always having occured.
So the Crusades (both foreign and domestic), the Witch Trials, the Inquisitions, the Pogroms, The Hundred Years War (which lasted much longer than that, they just stopped counting when they hit triple digits), never happened?
Tekla.
I could go through each of these with you but they would take too long.
But I will say this. The Crusades were inteded to restablish control over the trade routes to India. First established by Alexander the Great and lost when the Roman empire colapsed after Roman citizens poisoned theselves with lead. (Incidently, you may not realise it, nor been taught, but the entire development fo Europe, including its miliraty rise, it's predominance on the seas, its exploration of the world, including the colonisation of Africa, the Americas, Australisia and Asia, its artistic, philosophical, cultural and technological predominance, not to mention its enormous wealth, all occured because if the desire to access India).
The witch trials were mostly incited by medics who wanted to get rid of local wise women, who were also midwives, so they could practice their own medicine.
The Inquisitions were intended to vanquish the remanants of Islamic influence from Spain, after the explusion of the Moors.
The Hundred Years War had nothing, what so ever to do with religion. (Much like Blair and Bush have tried to claim they were guided by their god to invade Iraq. While Saddam claimed he was guided by his to oppose them).
Quote from: tekla on February 28, 2011, 08:23:09 AM
so many of these activities are being portrayed as always having occured.
So the Crusades (both foreign and domestic), the Witch Trials, the Inquisitions, the Pogroms, The Hundred Years War (which lasted much longer than that, they just stopped counting when they hit triple digits), never happened?
Not that they ever happened but that they were not religiously inspired as spacial has so eliquantly put. Before we begin to tar religion with the same brush we first must understand the reason for our argument. If the reasons are unfounded then your argument fails.
The phrase "So called Christians" I used was to reiterate what you said. I would rather see them as not being Christ like.
Stardust
Quote from: spacial on February 27, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
Why?
Because if you don't then you invalidate your source.
Quote from: Dana Lane on March 02, 2011, 02:09:31 PM
Because if you don't then you invalidate your source.
I'm sorry Dana, but that is a ridiculous argument.
The only parts of the Bible that are relevant to Christians are the New Testament.
And if you read the Gospels, it become clear that much of the non-Gospels books in the New Testament are not valid either.