I am still struggling to make the selection between Dr, Suporn, Dr. Brassard and Dr. Meltzer, now I am a little toward Dr. Suporn since I really like his result which to me is more close to genital female than other two whose are also good to me. I read through Dr. Suporn's SRS presenation which seems a good technique.
but I just wonder if his technique is so good, why don't other doctors to adapte it? specia those NA doctors. why others still use penile inversion? Are there any concern on Dr. Suporn's approach raised by other doctors. I saw some post mentioned that his technique is more complicated, and need more recover time and effort, does this means this technique will bring more damage to the body and impact your long term health? are there any good site with good pro/con comparison between these two technique? thx.
Like to make decision soon so I can book my day, just can't wait.
Hi Amanda~ I read you message, but I don't have enough level to reply it, so please allow me to reply here, and hope my experience be useful for any girl who is considering Dr. Suporn :)
I have had my surgery by Dr. Suporn last month's 21 and still stay at Chonburi. I'm not very aware of the recovery time of other surgeons, but Dr. Suporn's technic requires 1 year for everything settles down. During this year, You must do dilation 3~1 times per day. (I have to say the dilation is really very painful...)
And last night I do heard a German girl said there's a Dr in Germany who uses similar technic as Dr. Suporn.
Hope this be helpful for you :)
Wyel is right about the two main negative factors of Dr Suporn's technique. Recovery can take a long time and you may be out of work for a few months. Dr Suporn uses a different dilating method compared to western doctors called active dilation or dynamic dilation. For patients of other doctors the dilation routine is fairly simple and only requires you to hold the dilator in place for a set period of time. Patients of Dr Suporn need to apply constant pressure for about 20 seconds, then "stir" the dilator to widen the opening (sorry, TMI) for 20 seconds, and repeat for ten to fifteen minutes with each size dilator. Doing this three to four times a day for the first few months can be very difficult and painful. The pain subsides eventually, and I only dilate once every three to four days now.
If you think you can cope with those first few difficult months, then Dr Suporn is an excellent choice. I'm so glad I had my operation with him, but obviously I may be a little biased. ;)
in fact I think the dynamic dilation is less painful than static dilation for me. But different person may have totally different feeling. And it is said the 2nd and 3rd month after surgery will be the most difficult.
I never had my surgery with Dr. S, but I consistently hear the recovery time takes longer.
Not meaning to hijack the thread, but to encourage other discussion: for anyone who has had surgery with Suporn, does his technique always involve skin grafts from other areas of the body?
why it take longer time to recover? is it mainly because the dilation, or the operation is so complicated which make your body take longer time to recover? I jus wonder the main difference between Dr. Suporn's technique and the NA doctors are using different skin in same area, which should not have much impact on your whole body and energy recover but may be that particular area need longer time to settle down.
Since i have some flexibility to work from home, do you think I will be able to resume my work after one month op? I am pretty healthy with regular exercise (training for Marathon), will that help to reduce my recovery time? Just can't be out of work for too long and don't want to lose the job.
also will this long healing process to prevent you to having sex for a long period time after surgery?
I'm not very sure about the reason, but I think most of the recovery time is dedicated to dilation which can keep your depth and width during the first year. And after the first year, you may need do dilation only 2 or 3 times a week.
If your body is strong enough, and as you can work at home, I think your recovery may be much faster than me, and you are almost sure to be able to go back to your work very soon. I think the most major thing that may prevent one from returning to regular life is the schedule of everyday's dilation. For me, because my pain threshold is very low, so I have to do dilation very slowly, and it costs me lots of time (about 2 hours for each time). But of course you may not need so much time :)
Quote from: blackMamba on April 09, 2011, 12:13:12 AM
I never had my surgery with Dr. S, but I consistently hear the recovery time takes longer.
Not meaning to hijack the thread, but to encourage other discussion: for anyone who has had surgery with Suporn, does his technique always involve skin grafts from other areas of the body?
I'm not sure, but I think so. If my memory is correct, the instruction book given by the clinic says the skin of vagina is essentially skin graft.
I haven't heard of any patients ever needing skin grafts from other areas, from what I understand he only ever uses the usual material. There may be cases that require grafts from other areas, but I'm certain he can usually guarantee at least 6 inches for a patient without grafts from the thighs or buttocks like other surgeons.
I'm sorry it seems I misunderstand the phrase "other areas":P
Quote from: wyel on April 09, 2011, 02:58:58 AM
I'm sorry it seems I misunderstand the phrase "other areas":P
Yes, I meant non-genital areas. :P
I guess the reason I ask, is that Suporn has a reputation for creating more depth than other surgeons, and he boasts this on his website. There is only so much skin to harvest in the genital area, depending on what Mother Nature gave you. And it's my understanding all of the surgeons (the major ones) discard very little tissue.
So maybe a better question is, for all the girls who went to Suporn, if you didn't get a skin graft, how much depth do you have? I'm just curious to see if his claim of increased depth is due to harvesting more skin, i.e. skin grafts. As with Amanda, I'm trying to figure out what differentiates him from the rest.
To Amanda: if you are working from home, I think one month might be enough time. If you can squeeze in 6 weeks, I think you will notice a big difference in your energy level. Being a runner can only help you, that is for sure. As for sex... my doc said 3 months but I think I could have done it after 1.5-2 months. Remember to take it easy. Some docs say 6 weeks, listen to what yours says...
Thanks for your good information. Now, it seems more likely I will go to Dr. Suporn :), plus he has some early open slot for the surgery. Just can't wait to get this done.
The concept of a "Chonburi organ" seems very weird to me.
As I perceive it - as an almost outsider to this community, because I was done so long ago that I hardly count now ;)
The plus side of suporn is that when it goes well it looks good and gives maximum depth.
The down side is that the recovery is a fair bit longer, there are about ten times more stitches involved, and when it goes wrong boy oh boy does it go wrong!
In essence it's like a high performance car. Fantastic when it works, but where as other surgeons go for reliability, suporn has gone for the absolute maximum possible performance, which means that you must be prepared for more discomfort in the healing phase and to be really careful to follow his postoperative care instructions to the letter.
I hope that is a fair and balanced summary.
Vroooom, vroooom, vrooooom. Sorry, couldn't stop myself.
QuoteSo maybe a better question is, for all the girls who went to Suporn, if you didn't get a skin graft, how much depth do you have? I'm just curious to see if his claim of increased depth is due to harvesting more skin, i.e. skin grafts. As with Amanda, I'm trying to figure out what differentiates him from the rest.
I'm now 4wks post op from Dr Suporn, I initially lost a 1/2 inch depth on my return home but have now regained it back to 7 1/4 inches through dynamic dilation 3 times a day. I had no skin grafts other what was available from the genital material that I had.
Quote from: Giselle Marie on April 10, 2011, 06:22:08 AM
I'm now 4wks post op from Dr Suporn, I initially lost a 1/2 inch depth on my return home but have now regained it back to 7 1/4 inches through dynamic dilation 3 times a day. I had no skin grafts other what was available from the genital material that I had.
7.25 inches? That's insane!!! What are you digging for gold? :laugh: :laugh: I'm just right at the last dot on the soulsource dilators. I was about a half inch past the last dot when I first started, but it went down--swelling, I guess.
Quote from: Valeriedances on April 10, 2011, 09:59:45 AM
Lol, digging for gold. Thats funny, Kristyn.
I wonder if a factor is height/pelvic bone... I'm 5.7" ft in height.
...maybe all the tall girls are going to Suporn, lol.
I don't know, it would probably be due to torso length if height is a factor. I'm around 5'11" - 6' with a short torso and long legs. I know Melan who used to post on this board went to Suporn and she is taller than me. I think she got like a foot and half. :laugh: :laugh:
I had my SRS with Dr Suporn on Dec 7, 2010. On my first dilation after surgery my depth was 7". By the time I returned home
on Jan 1, the depth was 6.125". Currently my depth is consistently 6.75 and occasionally I can hit 7". Being very honest I am
doing minimal dilation compared to the Dr's reccomendation. During months 2 and 3 when I should have been doing 3 dilations a day, I was averaging 2.3 dilations per day. However those dilations were a bit longer than the minimum. For the 4-6 months Dr recommends 2 dilations per day, I've been doing 2 short dilations or 1 long dilation per day.
I did not have any skin grafts. My understanding is that Dr Suporn is able to stretch the scrotal tissue to provide the material for the
vaginal canal. During the SRS procedure Dr Suporn removes the scrotum. The scrotal skin is laid out and all the hair follicles are removed. Once prepared the skin can be stretched and formed into the vaginal canal.
I am very happy with my outcome and highly reccomend Dr Suporn. I would be glad to answer any question about my experience.
Elaina
Quote from: Valeriedances on April 10, 2011, 10:20:55 AM
Maybe Suporn rejects all short girls, telling them they arent good candidates...
So, are you Suporn girls tall?
this made me laugh soo much :P im a supornista and 5,3 almost. much of his clientele is thai, thai girls only come in one height....tiny :P
as for grafts i have been to Chonburi a number of times, im yet to meet anyone who had a graft i feel this is getting confuse with you may have a graft with you will have a graft.
post op i was left with 6.5 inches and now maintain just over 6" still, no graft and small pelvis
....and even if you follow the instructions to the letter you can still go wrong. Well, I started out with 8" the first time he slid the dilator in there after he removed the packing, and was down to 7.5" by the time I left Thailand (most of that is gone now). I'm 6'1".
Quote from: Renate on April 09, 2011, 08:35:28 PMThe concept of a "Chonburi organ" seems very weird to me.
I can't even find it. *shrug*
i was not laughing at you Valerie or attempting to show off, only laughing at the comment and reporting what i have seen of Suporns surgery
Now I am starting to firm my decision to go to Dr. Suporn on Augest. But just wonder if it's too hot to be there around August or September? Will that impact my recovery? Suppose stay in air-conditioned indoor for almost whole month, will not make much difference, right?
the aircon was so cold i had to wear a cardi most of the time :P its only really hot when you go outside and the clinic is 2 mins walk at worst.
i am not a lover of the heat anymore and found it to be just fine, its probably a different type of heat to what most of us are used to, more bearable too
About the depth and height, I'm an Asian with 1.64 meters height. The first time when Dr. Suporn show me the depth in the hospital, it's a little more than 6 inches, and now (3 weeks after SRS) it's 14 centimeters (about 5.5 inches). I think I lost some depth because I didn't work hard the first week after check out from hospital. :(
to Amanda: I'm sorry I can't reply your message. Maybe you can leave your email to me?
Quote7.25 inches? That's insane!!! What are you digging for gold?
It sure does feel like it sometimes, as for height and frame size being a factor I'm 5' 10" with what I consider to be a medium frame size. I think in my case it was the amount of scrotal material that I had to use, Dr Suporn did comment that I had more than enough :) Whilst in Chonburi I did manage to get a depth of 7 3/4" occasionally but that hurt like hell. ;D
Quote from: Birdie on April 08, 2011, 11:28:39 PM
Patients of Dr Suporn need to apply constant pressure for about 20 seconds, then "stir" the dilator to widen the opening (sorry, TMI) for 20 seconds, and repeat for ten to fifteen minutes with each size dilator.
hold on a sec, that means you would have stirred 22.5 times and pressed 22.5 times, all in 15 minutes?? and that's like only one 1 dilator??? i imagine my wrists will get awfully sore from this exercise!!!
That's what the instructions say to do. I didn't bother to alternate, I just stirred and stirred while pushing at the same time, and yes it got tiring until my wrist got used to the exertion.
if i make an auto dilation machine, would you all buy it?
to wyel, can you read PM? I have sent you my email addr through the PM.
Quote from: milktea on April 12, 2011, 08:47:02 AM
if i make an auto dilation machine, would you all buy it?
The first day I began my dynamic dilation, I seriously considered building an automachine myself :D
to Amanda: yes I can~~ And I find I can reply PM now :P
Well I'm broke, but I would (and did) daydream about such a machine. :D
Quote from: Valeriedances on April 10, 2011, 09:44:56 AM
That sounds awesome Giselle Marie, good for you.
I ended up with much less (5 inches - 3rd dot on dilator) in Montreal, so Suporn must be doing something interesting.
I went with Brassard and have 5" of depth. 5" is average in a natal female. Out of curiosity we measured my wife and she has 5" of depth. The avg female has 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 depth
You're an avg female Valerie
Quote from: Ms Delgado on April 10, 2011, 11:06:15 AM
this made me laugh soo much :P im a supornista and 5,3 almost. much of his clientele is thai, thai girls only come in one height....tiny :P
as for grafts i have been to Chonburi a number of times, im yet to meet anyone who had a graft i feel this is getting confuse with you may have a graft with you will have a graft.
post op i was left with 6.5 inches and now maintain just over 6" still, no graft and small pelvis
Hi girl i found this funny too. i also am amazed someone is actually my height as i am 5 ft 3 as well. was just wondering how much you weigh if you dont mind me asking, as im only 95 pounds, lol. and wondering if this is goin to make me recover worse or better? i hear thin girls heal faster? then again i also think if you scar fast and easy you will have a harder time with keeping the wound open and dialating? ttyl.
Hi Georgia,
Apart from a big Aussie welcome to Susan's family. Thank you for your most informative post on Dr. Suporn's procedure. I hope there is something for here in this family.
I am aware that most surgeons leave some erectile tissue behind, for what reason, I don't know. So would I be correct in saying, from what you've said, Dr. Suporn leaves the entire erectile tissue in situ? And if so, how does he control its expansion with the inflow of blood that would have normally occurred? If the average penis (erectile tissue) is between 3 - 5 inches, that could be very painful under post operative conditions.
And from what you've said about the over sensitivity (Clitorism) I wonder whether other Suporn Girls here would like to comment on that aspect.
And lastly, any other post operative girls like to comment on the potential problem in dealing with the remaining erectile tissue, if that became noticeable?
I hope to see more of you, as you would have a world of experiences most of us are yet to experience.
In the meantime, I hope you are safe, well and happy.
Lotsa huggs
Catherine
Hello Georgia,
Thank you once again, for a very informative post. I regrettably dropped a "you" out of a sentence of mine which may have made the sentense incomprehensible. I meant to say "I hope there is something for you here in the family."
I appreciate the attitude and respect you have demonstrated thoughout your entire posts for Dr. Suporn. It just makes the reading and understanding, that much more credible. Not once did I sense you were ranting.
I find your experience and knowledge of your own personal journey such a wealth of information. I am currently in contact with the shortlist of surgeons I have researched for my own operation, for a meet and greet session. Hopefully for the operation to be scheduled for the first half of 2013.
At the behest of the woman who does my electrolysis, she recommended I at least look at Dr. Suporn as his consistency and proficiency has been remarkable consistent over at least the last 5 years. Hence your information has been quite timely and of such important detail, I'll be eternally indebted to you.
From what you've said, he is still on the shortlist, however Drs. Bowers, McGinn and Bassard are perhaps looking slightly firmer. This is one procedure I've always understood to be high risk, which I'm prepared to accept. However the risk Dr. Suporn represents may fall outside my limits of acceptability. I don't exactly have age on my side, yet I have very robust health, and I intend to keep it that way. As an earlier post made some comparison to motor vehicle performance, I'm not totally convinced I am, or in need of, a high performance procedure. Risk is risk, and it has to be managed to meet with your own personal expectations, desires and situation.
I hope you are able find satisfaction very soon, as the condition you described would be extremely difficult to handle on a 24/7 basis.
Keep in touch and let us know how you are coping. After all, you are now in Susan's family; by choice.
Be safe, well and happy.
Love
Catherine
Quote from: Georgia on November 16, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
And in fact, Dr Suporn is hiding his second stage in his free cosmetic revision surgery. I was honestly shocked to see in Chonburi the huge number of post-op girls seeking revision.
He isn't hiding that at all, some procedures can only be performed when everything has healed. For example, the closing of the bottom side of the inner labia is something that can't be done during the SRS itself because you would immediately rip it apart during the intensive dilation in the beginning. So you have to wait about a year until it's safe to skip some dilations to give the wound enough time to heal. I've heard from several people that they went back to Suporn to get this fixed. That isn't a revision, it's the second stage that you are talking about and which Suporn will tell you about if you ask him.
And I don't understand why you were so shocked about the huge numbers of girls getting revisions. (Minor) cosmetic revisions are extremely common, not just with Suporn but with any SRS surgeon. Here in the Netherlands at the Amsterdam gender clinic I also hear a lot of stories about people getting minor revisions. After all it's hard to predict how your body will heal.
In one of your previous posts you also spoke about average penis and vagina sizes, but you forgot to mention that neo vagina's don't stretch like natural vagina's do. I've heard of people who have great depth and are still having problems during sex, and unfortunately I've heard of even more people who are having problems because they don't have much depth. So depth is definitely an issue, not something to put aside so easily.
From your last post I understand that you had a larger penis than average, just like that other person who had a similar problem like you did. This does make sense if Suporn tries to reuse as much material as possible. So would it be safe to assume that if someone has a small or average penis, there is no need to worry?
Georgia,
can you please reexplain it again for the sake of the truth and the objectivity of his SRS technique?
Georgia,
I saw your SRS pictures and I am shocked. That is the worst SRS result I have seen in my life. I am sorry for what you have went through. I hope the others learn from your experience.
Hi Georgia,
Be encouraged. Your post alone, provided me with enough realistic and informed detail for me to drop Supporn off my short list.
I've appreciated the unbiased and factual objectivity of your entire post. I'm eternally indebted to you for your timely presentation, as several key influential people in my circle of influence, highly recommended Supporn over and above Bowers and McGinn
I'm sincerely grateful for your personal and private experience. Thank you.
Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa Huggs
Catherine
Hi Georgia,
Thank you so very much,once again.
Quote from: Georgia on November 26, 2012, 10:46:20 AM
I would wish that Marci Bowers would work in Chonburi and not in San Mateo, CA. If you understand what I want to express.
I understand completely..
Quote from: Georgia on November 26, 2012, 10:46:20 AM
I will abstain from recommanding any surgeon. But for genital surgery I would always prefer a Gynaecologist or Urologist with SRS experience over a Plastic Surgeon, especially over a cranio-facial Specialist. And when I am thinking loud, then I think that 20 years of experience with pelvic surgery are worth more than 20 years of FFS experience. And a M2F surgeon who went herself through transition and who personally knows how SRS feels - such a surgeon is priceless. But don't forget, nobody is perfect.
Precisely. Some of the many reasons, both Marci Bowers and Christine McGinn have made it through the very rigorous evaluation process, I've subjected them, and many others to. And I know of no risk management process that gives all green lights to the shortlisted, or even the successful bidder. I've never yet let a contract that hasn't failed at some part along the Gantt journey. Even if they scored 100% in the evaluation process. GCS is a major risk procedure in anyones book.
Thank you again for your profound insights.
Huggs
Catherine
Georgia,
When it comes to your results even after undergoing a corrective surgery your external genitalia look like genitalia of a castrated male. Your scrotum is cut in half in order to form labia mayora and your clitoris is so big and swollen (I could feel the pain) that looks like a penis. Also the base of the penis under the pubic skin is totally obvious and it all looks like a castrated male. The best SRS doctor out there.... Hmmmm... That made me think. Also I understood that your urethra had been misplaced ( no picture that shows it).
I am really sorry for the horror you have went through, I just never realized why didn't you take this case in court? If I were you I would have make sure that the doctor will remember me for the rest of his life.
I really hope that some will learn from your experience. And yes some will choose to be thrilled to a fantasy... In the end it is a choice we make...
Love,
Anna
Georgia,
I am not sure about the karma, but I am sure that the doctor has mislead you to conclusion that his technique is appropriate for you, and later he denied the obvious disfiguration and severe complications you suffered from. That is well documented and based in material proves. That is a serious offence.
That has caused you severe emotional suffering, need for additional surgeries and additional expenses, and of course life time emotional trauma. Think about it.
As a Suporn Daughter whose SRS was a year and a half ago I rarely visit Susans these days. However I did visit today to read my Personal Messages and then briefly browsing the forum stumbled accross this topic. I have been reading this very topic before I even travelled to Thailand and now see new insights posted by Georgia. Over the past months and year I too have been sharing my experiences with Suporn in an effort to help pre-op girls make the right decision. Because SRS is a very personal issue and decision, that's why it is important to be well-informed and read as much as you can and ask as much questions as you want to. Simply because it's too late do so after SRS.
My posts about the Chonburi Experience have been quite positive overall. If I would have to make the decision again, I would probably still choose Suporn. Girls considering surgery have to outweigh the stories from positive and negative outcomes for themselves and make an informed decision.
Georgia, I think your posts are really intriguing and have read them with great interest. As a Suporn Sister it really does make sense, because what you describe (the sexual arousal) is sort of what I am experiencing too. So I sort of agree with Bella too. For me it is however not painful. But I guess I am lucky and have been fine-tuned and I assume that goes up for most of the Suporn Sisters. As with any surgeon things can go wrong and Suporn is no different. So the downsides whe are talking about could be a potential upside if the surgery outcome is good. You are right that there is a lot of Marketing going on and that they will do anything to improve their statistics.
Anyway I wanted to thank you for sharing such a personal account with Dr Suporn and providing new insight in the Dr. Suporn technique and the way they handle difficulties.
On a personal note I had a very speedy recovery (return to work within 1 month, dancing in a club at 6 weeks post op etc.) and have everything I hoped for. And the Thai care is indeed straight to the heart and something not found in USA, Canada or Europe.
Best wishes
Sweetie
I am happy that you are no longer in pain Georgia finally after such a long and wild ride. Have a wonderful post SRS life!
Thank you Mouse for your contribution to this thread. this thread was originally about the downside of dr Suporn technique so basically i was commenting on how that turned out for me. I surely didnt intend to jump in and say "hey but i am fine"... So if that is how i come across then i apologize for that. i just wanted to thank Georgia for sharing her story and adding my own experiences to bring a little nuance in the thread. This thread has now also evolved in a discussion about aftercare and how patients are informed which are both important subjects for potential Suporn girls.
Edit: typing errors
I've been booking my surgery with Dr Suporn for February 2013, and I'm pretty much excited. Insecure, too. So, I've been reading this topic with lots of interest.But eventually, I got a little confused. My question to either Catherine Sarah, swan, or sweetie87, could you please give me the link to the topic that you're discussing about? Thanks, would be nice. You're talking about the contributions of Mouse and Georgia, but I can't find what you're talking about. Especially you, swan, your contribution is scaring me. What looks like the genitalia of a castrated male? Thank you.
Blue.
Butterfly, this thread has been confusing me for a while too.... As a Suporn sister (Aug of this year), I find it surprising that any "scrotum was cut in half to form labia" etc, when Suporn's whole deal is to use the scrotum entirely for a deep vaginal canal; cutting it in half would not be something I'd think he'd do. As for castrated male, when I look down, I see, well, a tw@t. The penile skin went for labia, the scrotum is invisible, as it is six inches inside me... I have not ever seen photos regarding this stuff, either, though I've looked (out of morbid curiosity if nothing else). A link to them would be interesting. I'd go back to Suporn at this point without much thought. Good luck!
Hi Blue,
Not wishing to compound your confusion, can you be more explicit as to what you are confused about.
This is a complex matter and you need to 100% comfortable with your procedure and surgeon prior to even booking surgery. If you're not, cancel it. It's either not the right time or not the right procedure.
I'm not aware of the actual photos Swan is refering to, however if you look up Dr. Marci Bowers site, you'll see some of her work as well as some of her reconstruction work from botched procedures from other surgeons.
I entered this thread recently as I was researching my final short list of surgeons. Georgia was able to provide adequate detail for me to remove Suporn from a list of potentials.
May I also comment on your thread. The feeling of inscurity you stated is a very serious matter at this point of your journey. May I suggest you contact your therapist as a matter of urgency and sort the matter out now while you still have time to postpone the procedure without incurring too greater loss. Although you are excited, the last thing you need is to wake up after the procedure and think WT?? is going on.
Let us know how you are coping.
Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa huggs
Catherine
Quote from: Catherine Sarah on December 09, 2012, 08:54:36 AM
Hi Blue,
Not wishing to compound your confusion, can you be more explicit as to what you are confused about.
This is a complex matter and you need to 100% comfortable with your procedure and surgeon prior to even booking surgery. If you're not, cancel it. It's either not the right time or not the right procedure.
I'm not aware of the actual photos Swan is refering to, however if you look up Dr. Marci Bowers site, you'll see some of her work as well as some of her reconstruction work from botched procedures from other surgeons.
I entered this thread recently as I was researching my final short list of surgeons. Georgia was able to provide adequate detail for me to remove Suporn from a list of potentials.
May I also comment on your thread. The feeling of inscurity you stated is a very serious matter at this point of your journey. May I suggest you contact your therapist as a matter of urgency and sort the matter out now while you still have time to postpone the procedure without incurring too greater loss. Although you are excited, the last thing you need is to wake up after the procedure and think WT?? is going on.
Let us know how you are coping.
Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa huggs
Catherine
Hi Catherine,
thank you very much. And it's me who must apologize for my stupid, clumsy expression, I'm sorry. Please don't worry ! And to answer your question, I'm coping very well with this, please don't worry. I'm very comfortable with my procedure.
My insecurity was less about the surgery, nor about myself cos I'm doing fine, but more about our sister "Mouse" whose comments I cannot find anymore. She might have left the forum. The contributions of Georgia are no problem, since I'm having them all on my hard-drive. I am Georgia, and I am happy that you, Catherine, were listening to my story. Thanks.
Lotsa huggs,
Georgia
I have a tale to tell; Sometimes it gets so hard to hide it well; I was not ready for the fall; Too blind to see the writing on the wall.
A man can tell a thousand lies; I've learned my lesson well; Hope I live to tell; The secret I have learned, 'till then; It will burn inside of me.
I know where beauty lives; I've seen it once, I know the warm she gives; The light that you could never see; It shines inside, you can't take that from me.
The truth is never far behind; You kept it hidden well; If I live to tell; The secret I knew then; Will I ever have the chance again.
If I ran away, I'd never have the strength; To go very far; How would they hear the beating of my heart; Will it grow cold; The secret that I hide, will I grow old; How will they hear; When will they learn; How will they know. (by Madonna)
Quote from: GendrKweer on December 09, 2012, 08:06:41 AM
Butterfly, this thread has been confusing me for a while too.... As a Suporn sister (Aug of this year), I find it surprising that any "scrotum was cut in half to form labia" etc, when Suporn's whole deal is to use the scrotum entirely for a deep vaginal canal; cutting it in half would not be something I'd think he'd do. As for castrated male, when I look down, I see, well, a tw@t. The penile skin went for labia, the scrotum is invisible, as it is six inches inside me... I have not ever seen photos regarding this stuff, either, though I've looked (out of morbid curiosity if nothing else). A link to them would be interesting. I'd go back to Suporn at this point without much thought. Good luck!
Hi dear genderqueer D, you're 4 months post-op, well ... When I was 4 months post-op, I didn't know either, not yet back then, that a huge portion of the scrotal skin is being used by Dr Suporn to form the labia majora. Back then, I also still believed that the scrotal skin would be in my vagina, and the penile skin in my labia. Wrong !
Dr Suporn is only using one small portion of the scrotal skin for the vaginal lining. This skin graft is being processed in a sophisticated method. It will be expanded to maximum size, and it is actually as thin as a mesh, or like a condom, and has then only little to do with original scrotal skin. Would also be a huge say unsolvable problem if we would have the dartos fascia in our vagina. Impossible.
But one two big portions of the scrotum, right and left, remain in place, and will be sewed together with the skin-flap of penile skin, coming from the clitoris hood, to form the labia majora. Which means, the outer parts of the labia majora are actually scrotal skin. One problem arises apparently when the dartos fascia of the scrotal skin-flap is very thick. This causes a kind of incompatibility of the two different skin qualities.
In my personal case, without ever showing signs of a usual necrosis, the scar between penile and scrotal skin in my labia was dead tissue only, showing intense signs of perforation, many holes in one line, eventually grooving a very deep scar and other minor problems. Dr Djordjevic was eventually removing all the dead tissue during his secondary labioplasty. That was no problem at all since Dr Suporn had left sufficient excess skin in my labia.
If you - as you write - are interested in seeing photos of this and more, not only the perforated labia, I can provide you with everything. Either you and I will be able to exchange addresses, or please contact the members "swan" or "Joandelynn", they will gladly give you the link and the password.
Blessings,
genderqueer G
Quote from: Blue Butterfly on December 09, 2012, 12:39:11 PM
I have a tale to tell; Sometimes it gets so hard to hide it well; I was not ready for the fall; Too blind to see the writing on the wall.
A man can tell a thousand lies; I've learned my lesson well; Hope I live to tell; The secret I have learned, 'till then; It will burn inside of me.
I know where beauty lives; I've seen it once, I know the warm she gives; The light that you could never see; It shines inside, you can't take that from me.
The truth is never far behind; You kept it hidden well; If I live to tell; The secret I knew then; Will I ever have the chance again.
If I ran away, I'd never have the strength; To go very far; How would they hear the beating of my heart; Will it grow cold; The secret that I hide, will I grow old; How will they hear; When will they learn; How will they know. (by Madonna)
Lyrics of a song I really like. It refers to the lie of the Catholic Church, but there are many lies out there. Some choose to open the eyes and see through the lies and some choose to be thrilled to a fantasy. It is a choice we make.