what is the downside of Dr. Suporn's technique

[Catherine Sarah]

Hi Georgia,
Thank you so very much,once again.

I would wish that Marci Bowers would work in Chonburi and not in San Mateo, CA. If you understand what I want to express.

I understand completely.. 

I will abstain from recommanding any surgeon. But for genital surgery I would always prefer a Gynaecologist or Urologist with SRS experience over a Plastic Surgeon, especially over a cranio-facial Specialist. And when I am thinking loud, then I think that 20 years of experience with pelvic surgery are worth more than 20 years of FFS experience. And a M2F surgeon who went herself through transition and who personally knows how SRS feels - such a surgeon is priceless. But don't forget, nobody is perfect.

Precisely. Some of the many reasons, both Marci Bowers and Christine McGinn have made it through the very rigorous evaluation process, I've subjected them, and many others to. And I know of no risk management process that gives all green lights to the shortlisted, or even the successful bidder. I've never yet let a contract that hasn't failed at some part along the Gantt journey. Even if they scored 100% in the evaluation process. GCS is a major risk procedure in anyones book.

Thank you again for your profound insights.

Huggs
Catherine

[dejan160]

Georgia,



When it comes to your results even after undergoing a corrective surgery your external genitalia look like genitalia of a castrated male. Your scrotum is cut in half in order to form labia mayora and your clitoris is so big and swollen (I could feel the pain) that looks like a penis. Also the base of the penis under the pubic skin is totally obvious and it all looks like a castrated male. The best SRS doctor out there.... Hmmmm... That made me think. Also I understood that your urethra had been misplaced ( no picture that shows it).

I am really sorry for the horror you have went through, I just never realized why didn't you take this case in court? If I were you I would have make sure that the doctor will remember me for the rest of his life.

I really hope that some will learn from your experience. And yes some will choose to be thrilled to a fantasy... In the end it is a choice we make...

Love,

Anna

[dejan160]

Georgia,

I am not sure about the karma, but I am sure that the doctor has mislead you to conclusion that his technique is appropriate for you, and later he denied the obvious disfiguration and severe complications you suffered from. That is well documented and based in material proves. That is a serious offence.
That has caused you severe emotional suffering, need for additional surgeries and additional expenses, and of course life time emotional trauma. Think about it.

[sweetie87]

As a Suporn Daughter whose SRS was a year and a half ago I rarely visit Susans these days. However I did visit today to read my Personal Messages and then briefly browsing the forum stumbled accross this topic. I have been reading this very topic before I even travelled to Thailand and now see new insights posted by Georgia. Over the past months and year I too have been sharing my experiences with Suporn in an effort to help pre-op girls make the right decision. Because SRS is a very personal issue and decision, that's why it is important to be well-informed and read as much as you can and ask as much questions as you want to. Simply because it's too late do so after SRS.

My posts about the Chonburi Experience have been quite positive overall. If I would have to make the decision again, I would probably still choose Suporn. Girls considering surgery have to outweigh the stories from positive and negative outcomes for themselves and make an informed decision.

Georgia, I think your posts are really intriguing and have read them with great interest. As a Suporn Sister it really does make sense, because what you describe (the sexual arousal) is sort of what I am experiencing too. So I sort of agree with Bella too. For me it is however not painful. But I guess I am lucky and have been fine-tuned and I assume that goes up for most of the Suporn Sisters. As with any surgeon things can go wrong and Suporn is no different. So the downsides whe are talking about could be a potential upside if the surgery outcome is good. You are right that there is a lot of Marketing going on and that they will do anything to improve their statistics.

Anyway I wanted to thank you for sharing such a personal account with Dr Suporn and providing new insight in the Dr. Suporn technique and the way they handle difficulties.

On a personal note I had a very speedy recovery (return to work within 1 month, dancing in a club at 6 weeks post op etc.) and have everything I hoped for. And the Thai care is indeed straight to the heart and something not found in USA, Canada or Europe.

Best wishes
Sweetie

[sweetie87]

I am happy that you are no longer in pain Georgia finally after such a long and wild ride.  Have a wonderful post SRS life!

[sweetie87]

Thank you Mouse for your contribution to this thread. this thread was originally about the downside of dr Suporn technique so basically i was commenting on how that turned out for me. I surely didnt intend to jump in and say "hey but i am fine"... So if that is how i come across then i apologize for that. i just wanted to thank Georgia for sharing her story and adding my own experiences to bring a little nuance in the thread. This thread has now  also evolved in a discussion about aftercare and how patients are informed which are both important subjects for potential Suporn girls.

Edit: typing errors

[Blue Butterfly]

I've been booking my surgery with Dr Suporn for February 2013, and I'm pretty much excited. Insecure, too. So, I've been reading this topic with lots of interest.But eventually, I got a little confused. My question to either Catherine Sarah, swan, or sweetie87, could you please give me the link to the topic that you're discussing about? Thanks, would be nice. You're talking about the contributions of Mouse and Georgia, but I can't find what you're talking about. Especially you, swan, your contribution is scaring me. What looks like the genitalia of a castrated male? Thank you.
Blue.

[GendrKweer]

Butterfly, this thread has been confusing me for a while too.... As a Suporn sister (Aug of this year), I find it surprising that any "scrotum was cut in half to form labia" etc, when Suporn's whole deal is to use the scrotum entirely for a deep vaginal canal; cutting it in half would not be something I'd think he'd do. As for castrated male, when I look down, I see, well, a tw@t. The penile skin went for labia, the scrotum is invisible, as it is six inches inside me... I have not ever seen photos regarding this stuff, either, though I've looked (out of morbid curiosity if nothing else). A link to them would be interesting. I'd go back to Suporn at this point without much thought. Good luck!

[Catherine Sarah]

Hi Blue,

Not wishing to compound your confusion, can you be more explicit as to what you are confused about.

This is a complex matter and you need to 100% comfortable with your procedure and surgeon prior to even booking surgery. If you're not, cancel it. It's either not the right time or not the right procedure.

I'm not aware of the actual photos Swan is refering to, however if you look up Dr. Marci Bowers site, you'll see some of her work as well as some of her reconstruction work from botched procedures from other surgeons.

I entered this thread recently as I was researching my final short list of surgeons. Georgia was able to provide adequate detail for me to remove Suporn from a list of potentials.

May I also comment on your thread. The feeling of inscurity you stated is a very serious matter at this point of your journey. May I suggest you contact your therapist as a matter of urgency and sort the matter out now while you still have time to postpone the procedure without incurring too greater loss. Although you are excited, the last thing you need is to wake up after the procedure and think WT?? is going on.

Let us know how you are coping.

Be safe, well and happy

Lotsa huggs
Catherine

[Blue Butterfly]

Hi Blue,

Not wishing to compound your confusion, can you be more explicit as to what you are confused about.

This is a complex matter and you need to 100% comfortable with your procedure and surgeon prior to even booking surgery. If you're not, cancel it. It's either not the right time or not the right procedure.

I'm not aware of the actual photos Swan is refering to, however if you look up Dr. Marci Bowers site, you'll see some of her work as well as some of her reconstruction work from botched procedures from other surgeons.

I entered this thread recently as I was researching my final short list of surgeons. Georgia was able to provide adequate detail for me to remove Suporn from a list of potentials.

May I also comment on your thread. The feeling of inscurity you stated is a very serious matter at this point of your journey. May I suggest you contact your therapist as a matter of urgency and sort the matter out now while you still have time to postpone the procedure without incurring too greater loss. Although you are excited, the last thing you need is to wake up after the procedure and think WT?? is going on.

Let us know how you are coping.

Be safe, well and happy

Lotsa huggs
Catherine

Hi Catherine,

thank you very much. And it's me who must apologize for my stupid, clumsy expression, I'm sorry. Please don't worry ! And to answer your question, I'm coping very well with this, please don't worry. I'm very comfortable with my procedure.

My insecurity was less about the surgery, nor about myself cos I'm doing fine, but more about our sister "Mouse" whose comments I cannot find anymore. She might have left the forum. The contributions of Georgia are no problem, since I'm having them all on my hard-drive. I am Georgia, and I am happy that you, Catherine, were listening to my story. Thanks.

Lotsa huggs,
Georgia

I have a tale to tell; Sometimes it gets so hard to hide it well; I was not ready for the fall; Too blind to see the writing on the wall.

A man can tell a thousand lies; I've learned my lesson well; Hope I live to tell; The secret I have learned, 'till then; It will burn inside of me.

I know where beauty lives; I've seen it once, I know the warm she gives; The light that you could never see; It shines inside, you can't take that from me.

The truth is never far behind; You kept it hidden well; If I live to tell; The secret I knew then; Will I ever have the chance again.

If I ran away, I'd never have the strength; To go very far; How would they hear the beating of my heart; Will it grow cold; The secret that I hide, will I grow old; How will they hear; When will they learn; How will they know. (by Madonna)

[Blue Butterfly]

Butterfly, this thread has been confusing me for a while too.... As a Suporn sister (Aug of this year), I find it surprising that any "scrotum was cut in half to form labia" etc, when Suporn's whole deal is to use the scrotum entirely for a deep vaginal canal; cutting it in half would not be something I'd think he'd do. As for castrated male, when I look down, I see, well, a tw@t. The penile skin went for labia, the scrotum is invisible, as it is six inches inside me... I have not ever seen photos regarding this stuff, either, though I've looked (out of morbid curiosity if nothing else). A link to them would be interesting. I'd go back to Suporn at this point without much thought. Good luck!

Hi dear genderqueer D, you're 4 months post-op, well ... When I was 4 months post-op, I didn't know either, not yet back then, that a huge portion of the scrotal skin is being used by Dr Suporn to form the labia majora. Back then, I also still believed that the scrotal skin would be in my vagina, and the penile skin in my labia. Wrong !

Dr Suporn is only using one small portion of the scrotal skin for the vaginal lining. This skin graft is being processed in a sophisticated method. It will be expanded to maximum size, and it is actually as thin as a mesh, or like a condom, and has then only little to do with original scrotal skin. Would also be a huge say unsolvable problem if we would have the dartos fascia in our vagina. Impossible.

But one two big portions of the scrotum, right and left, remain in place, and will be sewed together with the skin-flap of penile skin, coming from the clitoris hood, to form the labia majora. Which means, the outer parts of the labia majora are actually scrotal skin. One problem arises apparently when the dartos fascia of the scrotal skin-flap is very thick. This causes a kind of incompatibility of the two different skin qualities.
In my personal case, without ever showing signs of a usual necrosis, the scar between penile and scrotal skin in my labia was dead tissue only, showing intense signs of perforation, many holes in one line, eventually grooving a very deep scar and other minor problems. Dr Djordjevic was eventually removing all the dead tissue during his secondary labioplasty. That was no problem at all since Dr Suporn had left sufficient excess skin in my labia. 

If you - as you write - are interested in seeing photos of this and more, not only the perforated labia, I can provide you with everything. Either you and I will be able to exchange addresses, or please contact the members "swan" or "Joandelynn", they will gladly give you the link and the password.   

Blessings,
genderqueer G

[dejan160]

I have a tale to tell; Sometimes it gets so hard to hide it well; I was not ready for the fall; Too blind to see the writing on the wall.

A man can tell a thousand lies; I've learned my lesson well; Hope I live to tell; The secret I have learned, 'till then; It will burn inside of me.

I know where beauty lives; I've seen it once, I know the warm she gives; The light that you could never see; It shines inside, you can't take that from me.

The truth is never far behind; You kept it hidden well; If I live to tell; The secret I knew then; Will I ever have the chance again.

If I ran away, I'd never have the strength; To go very far; How would they hear the beating of my heart; Will it grow cold; The secret that I hide, will I grow old; How will they hear; When will they learn; How will they know. (by Madonna)

Lyrics of a song I really like. It refers to the lie of the Catholic Church, but there are many lies out there. Some choose to open the eyes and see through the lies and some choose to be thrilled to a fantasy. It is a choice we make.