Okay okay, I'm taking down one of my secrecy walls and addressing this very serious matter: I have entered the andro-ish (planned) part of my transition, and I find that I stress more over being perceived as androgynous than binary male or female. I once had a very hard time regarding androgynous as an actual identity, thinking it was more about style, but I guess I'm wrong. This is confusing. Help me to understand my inability to express androgynous qualities comfortably, as I feel it is a stumbling block in my transition- my master plan to ease my family into this (visually, despite my FB antics) will be a failure, and I will be less comfortable, I'm sure, until I've made the complete switch. Somebody explain to me the rules for being androgyne because I always thought I would embrace it well enough when I got there.
Seriously, I'm confused. I don't want to upset anyone, I'm sorry, and I don't even know if I did. Maybe I'm overcooking my brain with these silly plans and such.
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Quote from: EmmaM on April 12, 2011, 04:15:36 AM
Somebody explain to me the rules for being androgyne because I always thought I would embrace it well enough when I got there.
the most important rule is to make up the rules as you go. :P
Ok, I realize what I've done, let's try different questions!
Who in the media, today, do you think is cool and is androgynous?
Andro style tips? Do they exist?
What makes an androgynous person happy (as far as recognition)?
I would say maybe a mixture of the two. Nothing that is overtly masculine nor feminine.
Maybe have the eyebrows shaped. Pierce and wear simple earrings. Maybe some eyeliner.
Clothes are easier. Wear more feminine tops or jeans. Maybe some ballet slippers. a Blend of male and female.
Thank you, Janet. I don't know why I feel the need to stop in the unicorn forest and dabble, but I think it may have a lot to do with believing certain aspects of gender expression to be unnecessarily gendered.
Edit: I'm not a gender deconstructionist, I'm just different that way :P
I've been thinking along the same lines as Emma but specifically about clothes. Can anyone point to examples of outfits that are androgynous?
I've always tried to do the opposite NOT appear andro and I don't know why exactly. I get what your asking though and the best way I can describe it is to think Tomboy as far as dressing.
there are many different ways to present as not Male or female exclusively some of us present in a way that causes others to think "is that person Male or female" the fashion world see androgynous look being someone who shows no gendered traits. I'm at the other end where I clearly show traits from both sides (I have a full beard and wear breast forms full time) there are rules for presenting as male and female if you don't fit either box then presenting as outside the boxes has no real rules and could be seen as just breaking rules from both sides, being true to who you are means not conforming to anything that feels wrong for you.
Here ya go :)
http://i.models.com/oftheminute/images/2008/04/katya45.jpg (http://i.models.com/oftheminute/images/2008/04/katya45.jpg)
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/0/3987/40_2008/Rachel-Bilson_0.preview.jpg (http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/0/3987/40_2008/Rachel-Bilson_0.preview.jpg)<-- I never heard of this chick before but wow I may have found a new girlfriend !!
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Thanks for the help, but it seems I have conveyed the wrong need. My fault. How do you cope with being perceived as androgynous, because it stresses me a little. Sorry :/
I would do whatever make you feel the best.
Quote from: EmmaM on April 12, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Thanks for the help, but it seems I have conveyed the wrong need. My fault. How do you cope with being perceived as androgynous, because it stresses me a little. Sorry :/
I see your point, now. Just be and go about your own business. The androgynous look has been around long enough for it to have any kind of shock value. I would treat any comments people made with a simple thank you, and I like your sense of style too. Don't let others define you. You define, you have your say in this world, use it. Even if it's wearing what makes you feel good. If you feel good with what you're wearing, then you will look good. It's about confidence. JUST BE YOU!! You'll be marvelous Darling. ;)
You pose questions that are difficult for many of us who call ourselves androgynes to answer. I can only speak for myself, because, like many in the forest, I am an amiable misfit and an unconscious rebel. When I was young, I infuriated those closest to me, first by experimenting with dresses, and later by growing a beard. Cool people in the media for me, would be perhaps Humphrey Bogart, Katherine Hepburn, Errol Flynn, etc. In this forum, I think Kinkly and Pica Pica have cool senses of style. I like shirts with puffy sleeves, tight at the wrists, bright tunics, and knee britches. I like more colors than are allowed in men's clothing stores.
I wear what one store calls comfort mocs, suede slip-ons (in a variety of colors, including red), and hiking boots. I like button-down shirts in pink, purple, pastel green, yellow, and several shades of blue. I also wear some more casual shirts, including some in a misses size 18, but those are not conspicuously feminine. My slacks are in a couple shades of blue, plus I've some khakis and jeans. I always wear a necklace with the Hebrew inscription: I am my beloved's, and my beloved is mine. I carry a tan canvas shoulder purse (Once a woman stopped me to ask how I liked it; she had thought of getting one like it). When I couldn't find just what I wanted, I have sometimes sewed or knitted for myself. My hair is in a ponytail that hangs to the middle of my back, washed and conditioned daily. My beard rates less care.
When my wife asks what she should wear, I usually give her a blank stare. I don't copy anyone's style (though I may adopt elements), nor would I presume to tell others how to live. I am flattered when told I look nice, cooked tasty food, or cleaned the refrigerator with uncommon thoroughness, and saddened when met with disapproval. I am happy when the group of women I work with considers me one of the group, and when I am accepted by the group of women I lunch with and am learning to play mah jong with, and when my wife refers to me as 'she' (or when she tells me she likes my body).
I fear none of this will be of much help to you, but I do wish you the best on your journey through the forest.
S
Quote from: EmmaM on April 12, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Thanks for the help, but it seems I have conveyed the wrong need. My fault. How do you cope with being perceived as androgynous, because it stresses me a little. Sorry :/
...so are you saying that you don't want to look androgynous? Because this probably wouldn't be the right forum for that. I mean, we're androgynes, so...yeah. I think looking androgynous often is one of our goals...not always, but often.
Or are you troubled because you don't think you know how to look androgynous? I'm confused.
Emma
I think I know how you feel and what you mean when you say your stressed at being perceived as androgynous.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being androgynous if this is how you want to look or how you feel. I have talked with a few wonderful people on this forum that consider themselves this. As for myself and maybe you Emma I want need to be gendered as one or the other and I want it to be female.
I am also at the androgynous stage of my transition, although I am gendered correctly (female)most times I struggle with how people perceive me when I don't know what gender they pegged me as. I do not want to be gendered as male but unfortunately I still present that, in doing this I don't know how people perceive me at times.
Before the start of my transition, I thought wow, becoming androgynous would be so cool, to actually have people not know what gender you are groovy 8) well I was wrong I DO want people to know what gender I am, problem is some people KNOW I'm male but not sure what they see. I hate being gendered male but have no choice.
Side note, sorry to any FTM's but I hate being called dude, man or guy even in casual conversation. My children all know dude isn't allowed in my house. ;D
Shelly
Hi Emma, andro.... yeah BTDT,, ok so the advise.. I got there when I tried to transition 16 years ago, and and it was REALLY tough, becuase I felt like nothing,, I presented in public lookin glike a Fem guy, (which killed me!) I identified less with that than acting like a guy, make sense? Ultimatley it was another factor in me not completing my transition as I was not strong enough to endure.. JUST KNOW its only temporary, then you can move to where you want to be. I wish I would have made it through. Think of it like a "tour of duty" it will end
Yeah, sorry for the confusion. I was over analyzing the road I'm taking- I will be lurking here in the forest for ideas and tips to andro living as the process puts me through the phase, because I admire your strength of character. At the end of the day, I don't have an option: Like Shelly, I NEED to be gendered female- no matter what I am or am not wearing.
Very interesting and helpful everyone :)
I myself was somewhat confused when i first found this website, as on the one hand by reading posts by others i felt as if i was andro, but on the other hand as i have no wish to come across as looking andro or go out my way to do so like some of you on here, it left me wondering if i was andro at all. During my time on here however i have realised that being andro has no uniformity, just because i dont do some of the things others do, does not make me any less an andro than them. I am very protective of my female side, because thats the side of me that feels caged up and only allowed out when the time is right, i detest wearing male clothes, although i have very few, just wearing jeans and trousers in womans sizes makes my life a little more bearable.
Im lucky enough to have to have a very supportive wife who does not mind me plucking my eyebrows or removing the hairs off my legs and under arms or trying to increase my boob size. I do not like being called a male, although i have to accept i am my childrens father and my wifes husband, buts thats as far as that goes, but at the same time i am obviously not female either, i felt a few years ago that i was 60% female and 40% male and i have never changed my oppinion on those percentages. I dont really care how i come across to other people or what they think of me, how i see myself is the only thing that matters.
Quote from: EmmaM on April 12, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Thanks for the help, but it seems I have conveyed the wrong need. My fault. How do you cope with being perceived as androgynous, because it stresses me a little. Sorry :/
The answer is simple...just don't worry about it. I had a bit of an epiphany last sunday after I bounced off the road after bailing from my longboard. The crash, though painful, ultimately didn't matter because i wasn't full of fear about it, or crashing again...the most important thing to me was to be on the board and enjoying myself (I ache now tho). If you fret and worry about how others percieve you, you will spend your days full of the fear of being percieved in a way that is hurtful to you. If however, you just decide to accept that every so often someone will percieve you in a way that is different to how you would like and just think "so what" you'll end up enjoying the experience of just being you a hell of a lot more.
Helena's advice to everyone fretting about transition and how people percieve you is - take up long boarding and learn to pick yourself up of the ground and get back on the board when you bounce off the tarmac at 30mph. This is why skaters, surfers and snowboarders are so relaxed, we've all learnt the big secret of how to get through life.
Quote from: EmmaM on April 13, 2011, 12:21:05 AM
At the end of the day, I don't have an option: Like Shelly, I NEED to be gendered female- no matter what I am or am not wearing.
Great questions Emma, and ones that are asked over and over here in the unicorn forest. However, your last statement in your last post is emblematic of what I feel is the real issue. Many people have given you good strategies, but how do you get to the point of implementing them? Helena (and others) have all basically said, don't worry so much (or at all) about what other people think, it's what you think that matters. How do you just not worry about what (you think) they are thinking about reading your gender? You do realize, that the real problem is what you think they are thinking. It's the story (of what they are thinking) in your own mind that is causing you trouble.
A very wise women (Byron Katie) said that whenever you are worried about what someone else is thinking, you are in their business, and you have no right to be in their business in the first place, since you can't make anyone think or feel the way you want them to anyway. Further, when you are in THEIR business, you are not in/taking care of YOUR own business, and everyone just gets even more confused.
So, ask yourself, is it really true that others need to read your gender the way you want to be read? Is it absolutely true? How do you feel when you have that belief? How would you feel if you didn't have that belief (that you need OTHERS to read your gender as female)? I suggest that you turn that statement around and then sit with the result and see how THAT makes you feel. That statement, turned around, could read: "I don't need others to read me as female." and/or "I need ME to read my gender as female." When you can believe that, I bet you won't even be asking these questions; you will already know.
(For more info on 'turn arounds' and Byron Katie's work on examining your beliefs, see her website or read her first book, "Loving What Is." If you can examine your fundamental beliefs and begin to change your self-talk, I bet your transition will feel much easier, for you and those in your life.)
Good luck and welcome to the forest!
Just know being gendered female doesn't mean you can't wear mens clothes or you have to get surgery or take hormones. You can do whatever you want because in the end many of these people here will be gone one day and you'll be left with yourself and thats who you have to please ;D
My posts are drawing too much attention for me to lurk silently.
I urge you all to watch this. This was made before I put up the thread. This is a snapshot of some of the things I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Ermzer0?feature=mhum#p/a/u/1/EazhI6J_LXo (http://www.youtube.com/user/Ermzer0?feature=mhum#p/a/u/1/EazhI6J_LXo)
The trouble with your questions for me, are - that you are having trouble with a stage of your transition where people see you as androgynous - whilst we are people who (on the whole) would choice to look so. So it's not about coping with being perceived androgynous (in many cases it's coping in not being perceived so).
Quote from: Pica Pica on April 17, 2011, 10:48:05 AM
The trouble with your questions for me, are - that you are having trouble with a stage of your transition where people see you as androgynous - whilst we are people who (on the whole) would choice to look so. So it's not about coping with being perceived androgynous (in many cases it's coping in not being perceived so).
Very interesting. :)
Here's the thing- I'm only 4 days into the R part of HRT (over a month on spiro) and it seems like estrogen has already done something to my brain (What?! you say?). The anxiety, the insomnia, the need for acceptance, the incredible feeling of awkward quicksand-ness have all been muted.
Soooo, I'm kind of enjoying the phase a little bit (as of now), but it won't be the end point for me.
Tell me of the joys of being perceived as androgynous, please, if you will :)
I wouldn't know, alas.
Quote from: EmmaM on April 17, 2011, 01:30:47 PM
Tell me of the joys of being perceived as androgynous, please, if you will :)
I personally love when people are not sure so they have to be careful how they speak to me and that allows me to act as i please on an individual basis depending on the person. If they thought i was a guy they might act tougher but if they see me as a woman or are unsure then they treat me softer. I can switch them as soon as i decide which gender i want them to perceive me as.. In my case if it comes down to it i can just pull out my ID and then anybody will have to quickly apologize since my ID is female.
i love the P O W E R :police:
Perhaps the joy of being perceived as an androgynous is not being perceived as your birth sex? It's a positive step in your journey. :)
I went through that period, Emma. At one point, it was 50/50 whether I got ma'amed or sirred. One person would sir me, the next ma'am. All day long. I just went with it. Even though it felt kind of insulting to be ma'amed the way I looked. Because I knew they had to be thinking I was the ugliest, hairiest, flattest woman on earth. :icon_blah:
But seriously, what got to me was when people seemed uncomfortable or hesitant like they didn't know how to take me. As if they had to fit me in a box before they knew what to say to me. I can't see how that could ever be comfortable long-term. But I'm binary. I suppose for someone non-binary, it would be like finally being perceived right. :) It kinda sucks that almost every transsexual passes through physical androgyny while androgynes themselves don't often get to.
How did I cope? I just waited for that period to be over.
Quote from: Jaimey on April 17, 2011, 11:55:08 PM
Perhaps the joy of being perceived as an androgynous is not being perceived as your birth sex? It's a positive step in your journey. :)
This is along the lines that I was beginning to think ;)
I never thought of it as something that I could use to my advantage, I always feel so disarmed when a person sees boy, sees girl, then picks "sir." When it happens I snap right back into "social alpha mode" (that's when you act like a very, very different, very confident male). What I've been doing is maintaining a nearly neutral voice at all times, throwing in unquestionably female now and then throughout my sentences- What I can't help is the shadow (getting fried soon, I hope) and short hair... it's growing, thankfully it's all there. I'm just setting out on these permanent changes, and it's incredibly different from the way I thought it would be- in a good and odd way.
Quote from: Forum Admin on April 18, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
I went through that period, Emma. ...
But seriously, what got to me was when people seemed uncomfortable or hesitant like they didn't know how to take me. As if they had to fit me in a box before they knew what to say to me. I can't see how that could ever be comfortable long-term. But I'm binary. I suppose for someone non-binary, it would be like finally being perceived right. :) It kinda sucks that almost every transsexual passes through physical androgyny while androgynes themselves don't often get to.
Thank you sooo much, you have no idea how comforting it is to be reminded that it will be over. When I read what you said about androgynes it made me feel genuinely sad. My curiosity and my need to connect with their perceived "don't give a damn" led me to their forest.
I joined the ranks of low dose HRT for Androgynes about 2 months ago. The relief I felt from spiro was enormous. Now I feel much more like the mental image I see from the feminine thinking or point of view for me. I will never actually look much different than I do now, which isn't even close to that image. The masculine thinking or point of view is in line with how I look to everyone else. I suppose most of that thinking comes from growing up being treated male, especially after high school.
But I decided that the level of anger I had about being me came, for the most part, from the levels of testosterone I lived with. I don't carry that weight around anymore.
There are ways to be an Androgyne and not carrying the extra baggage around that can sometimes come with the territory. As a lot of people know and suspected, small changes in hormone levels can have an enormous effect on a person. It's an alternative to having an androgynous look. But, both of those are ways of being happier and more accepting of oneself. The key is still the acceptance of oneself, irregardless. There's a lot of that (acceptance) in the forest. It does make it appealing in it's effect. I prefer to think that the saddness that people bring with them is dissipated here, even if it ends up being temporary.
Quote from: ativan on April 18, 2011, 06:21:52 PM
But I decided that the level of anger I had about being me came, for the most part, from the levels of testosterone I lived with. I don't carry that weight around anymore.
There are ways to be an Androgyne and not carrying the extra baggage around that can sometimes come with the territory. As a lot of people know and suspected, small changes in hormone levels can have an enormous effect on a person. It's an alternative to having an androgynous look. But, both of those are ways of being happier and more accepting of oneself. The key is still the acceptance of oneself, irregardless. There's a lot of that (acceptance) in the forest. It does make it appealing in it's effect. I prefer to think that the saddness that people bring with them is dissipated here, even if it ends up being temporary.
Cool :)
Here's what I've found: Androgynes are very easy for me to connect with, but I just know I'm personally gender binary (an appropriate ratio may be 80% f/ 20% m... Just as you know, Ativan, that all you needed was lowering of T, I felt I needed E on top of that (and I was right). My idealized self is essentially gender blind, and I may transition to female and then settle on slightly andro female. I honestly don't know whether that is either here or there, but I think it may have been pertinent and worth addressing.
In any case I love the help you've been giving :)
I've been taking time to read the other threads around here a little bit as well.
I'd be happy about you hanging around the forest. You're also bringing up questions that have answers for most who visit here.
Your point of view, that comes with your questions and opinions are very cool. Hang out here as much as you like.
Also, your videos are great, let us know when there is the next one.
Ativan
Emma 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbijdqPt0M#)
;)
Hey Emma,
I am no where near the transition stage that you are at but for the most part I rarely wear clothes from the men's department. No family or friends have made any comments to me other that I look too skinny and that my pants are too tight. I just went one step at a time. Started with pants that were more feminine but kept the guy shirts, then after a while I would mix a girl's shirt in that does not scream feminine. Then after a few months I got my second ear pierced. Seems that if things go slow it is much less conspicuous then just changing all at once. Also I have been letting my hair grow out for the last 2 1/2 years now.
My parents and one of my sisters are amonst the most judgemental people I have ever met and they have at least been smart enough not to say anything stupid to my face but I know if I went about the process faster it would have caused a bit of a stink.
In regards to your hair growing faster. I was perusing the internet looking for hair care stuff and I came across a company that claims using there shampoo and conditioner will cause it to grow up to 2x faster. I have not tried it yet or looked up any reviews so if anyone else has something to say about it would be great.
Is www.nisim.com (http://www.nisim.com)
Amy: The hair and face zapping issues are why I have a timeline. This may make you scratch your head and go "You're a liar." But the voice I used in that video is the one I use at all times, and I never get misgendered on it in either "mode." When FT hits, then I'll polish it up.
That said, 95 dollars!? I think it will only take 8 months for it to grow to a workable length. (8x.75 = 6 inches more, and it's 4 inches long now.)
I wear pretty much whatever clothes I feel like wearing, I wear that same shirt I have on in the video whenever I want. I always mix them though, just to be careful. Usually boy top, girl pants or the opposite. Anyway, move at your own pace. But if you do plan to go all the way, there will probably be no point at which you will be able to get out of your own way. The world will sense what you are and what you're doing, and at that time, you will either jump or not. This can be fun if you try to make it so, which is why I'm hanging out in the unicorn forest a little bit- trying to relax and deal with being between the genders.
That's awesome and sounds great. I guess I am still really self conscious and would be too afraid to go out with my current voice. I need a lot more practice there. As for the facial hair I absolutely understand your feelings on that one. I was going to try the mineral makeup to cover it up when the time comes and unfortunately that time will come with finances as that is the biggest thing holding me back now. keeping food on the table for my little ones and wife are most important at the moment.
I guess I am just impatient with the hair. My hair is past my shoulders now but I want it about mid back or lower and would like to go very blond or a fairly bright auburn color.
OK, bigender unicorn adding my two cents-
On one hand I am extremely binary. I am very uncomfortable mixing my presentation as a blend of male and female. So I present solidly as male and female. But regardless of how well I present, how well I pass, there is always something tugging at me, tellling me how terribly wrong this all is. We all face our demons...
Quote from: Virginia on April 25, 2011, 04:36:52 PM
OK, bigender unicorn adding my two cents-
On one hand I am extremely binary. I am very uncomfortable mixing my presentation as a blend of male and female. So I present solidly as male and female. But regardless of how well I present, how well I pass, there is always something tugging at me, tellling me how terribly wrong this all is. We all face our demons...
I am always fascinated by this view. I wonder, would you prefer a third gender, no gender, or absolute freedom in this regard?
I think the problem is that you identify as female, not androgyne, so you may not find any more relief from your dysphoria in the unicorn forest that you did in the monkey jungle. Honestly, I think you just belong among the blooms with us fairy princesses :).
I do get why you would think of taking this detour to ease your fam into the idea, but like others mentioned, an androgynous, blendy phase tends to happen anyway, whether you want it to or not. Also, I'm with ya on being able to connect with these fancy androgyne peeps. Unicorn dust is so glittery, how can anybody possibly resist them!!?
Quote from: Jen on April 25, 2011, 05:47:54 PM
I think the problem is that you identify as female, not androgyne, so you may not find any more relief from your dysphoria in the unicorn forest that you did in the monkey jungle. Honestly, I think you just belong among the blooms with us fairy princesses :).
I do get why you would think of taking this detour to ease your fam into the idea, but like others mentioned, an androgynous, blendy phase tends to happen anyway, whether you want it to or not. Also, I'm with ya on being able to connect with these fancy androgyne peeps. Unicorn dust is so glittery, how can anybody possibly resist them!!?
But the forest is so beautiful! Firefly lights and glittery unicorn dust... I can imagine magnolias and willows swaying gently in the breeze ;D
Edit: Am I officially being called back home to the castle to be with the other princesses?
Quote from: EmmaM on April 25, 2011, 06:15:26 PM
would you prefer a third gender, no gender, or absolute freedom in this regard?...But the forest is so beautiful
I think Jen summed it up pretty well. It's not about what we want; it's about who we are. Therapy, hormones, the relief of allowing myself to express the half of who I am I had locked away so long I forgot it existed; what I want is to go back to the cisgender life I lived for 30+ years; what I want is to live my life without an hour going by that I don't think about gender; what I want is something,
anything, that will make the dysphoria go away.
The monkey jungle, among the blooms with the fairy princesses, their is a place for each of us. Despite the allure, the unicorn forest is a barren wasteland for all but those destined to call it home. It was a long hard struggle to get to here. It's not what I want. But the forest is my home.
Quote from: EmmaM on April 25, 2011, 06:15:26 PM
Am I officially being called back home to the castle to be with the other princesses?
No ma'am, play all you like. Maybe you'll find something important there, even if it is simply that you aren't androgyne. All I meant to say is just because it sparkles doesn't mean you'll understand it :).
Quote from: Jen on April 26, 2011, 09:52:20 AM
No ma'am, play all you like. Maybe you'll find something important there, even if it is simply that you aren't androgyne. All I meant to say is just because it sparkles doesn't mean you'll understand it :).
I think I will march back home. I like it here, but I know I don't belong. That doesn't mean I will ignore the thread, but I've dug through enough here to learn what I needed to know.
Quote from: Virginia on April 26, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
I think Jen summed it up pretty well. It's not about what we want; it's about who we are. Therapy, hormones, the relief of allowing myself to express the half of who I am I had locked away so long I forgot it existed; what I want is to go back to the cisgender life I lived for 30+ years; what I want is to live my life without an hour going by that I don't think about gender; what I want is something, anything, that will make the dysphoria go away.
The monkey jungle, among the blooms with the fairy princesses, their is a place for each of us. Despite the allure, the unicorn forest is a barren wasteland for all but those destined to call it home. It was a long hard struggle to get to here. It's not what I want. But the forest is my home.
Trust me: I, for a period of two months years ago, and then again for two days right around the time I started this thread, felt like you do all of the time. I could not cope and went to a bad place, so I moved forward with full transition. I am not saying that I would recommend it, I would never suggest such a radical thing, I'm just trying to somehow relate. As someone who is out and on the road to full transition but forced by circumstance to live as their birth sex the majority of the time, I often feel crises of identity and pass over the clinical threshold. I too can not take my mind off of things concerning gender, but it is because I know I'm not in a good place.
Bye for now friends, I'm off to join others among the blooms. My time here was very informative : :icon_wave:
Your genuine interest in the forest will be missed. Stop in any time! :icon_wave:
Quote from: ativan on April 27, 2011, 08:39:26 AM
Your genuine interest in the forest will be missed. Stop in any time! :icon_wave:
I second that. Some mtf/ftms maintain a second home in the forest. Occasionally, we have some quiet picnics. Tekla sounds ready to sponsor a wine tasting. And we've no gatekeeper to check our guests' gender.
S
Quote from: ativan on April 27, 2011, 08:39:26 AM
Your genuine interest in the forest will be missed. Stop in any time! :icon_wave:
Thanks!
Quote from: Simone Louise on April 27, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
I second that. Some mtf/ftms maintain a second home in the forest. Occasionally, we have some quiet picnics. Tekla sounds ready to sponsor a wine tasting. And we've no gatekeeper to check our guests' gender.
S
OOOooooohhh that sounds so good...
I think it would serve me well to set up a second home here too. I'll be around ;)
Quote from: Simone Louise on April 27, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
I second that. Some mtf/ftms maintain a second home in the forest. Occasionally, we have some quiet picnics. Tekla sounds ready to sponsor a wine tasting. And we've no gatekeeper to check our guests' gender.
S
Oh that's good! Some of my favorite conversations ever on these forums were in the forest. I'd cry if I wasn't allowed...
I have a tree house...
OMG it has NO GIRLS ALLOWED painted on its walls, doesn't it?? :(:(:(
What walls???
I don't know!!
You must need new glass's........all are welcome to the floors of my house.
You have a lovely floor :)
Oh darn did we hijack this thread??
Which thread would that be? I haven't looked in awhile...
Most of them I think..
Then I think the point of Freak'n genius has been subtly yet with it's great power of freak'n, been once again used to dispose of the serious genius that was taking over the forest once again. We deserve to get to use the rope swing the rest of the day. :)
If that thread has taught us anything, it's that, unlike an angel, when a butterfly is finally given its wings, it flies in swirly, fluttery patterns.
Personally I don't think it's taught us anything though :).
And once again, the level of freak'n has dissipated into the ambiance...
Told you, I love this corner of Susan's!
Quote from: EmmaM on April 28, 2011, 11:54:52 AM
Told you, I love this corner of Susan's!
So do I! ;D
Z
If you pass by the Unicorn Forest, dont forget to whisper that floating lil' tinkerbell you see across the road ,this:
"Don't you worry, I'll tend to all your elusive ponies, I've brough a sparkly brush for each one of them, with each of their names engraved"
As for Princess Fairy Castle - that would, I assume have a Princess Fairy Dungeon with people getting locked in Princess Fairy Cages - I'd prefer to romp in the trees and listen to the birds doing their thing.
Quote from: Pica Pica on April 29, 2011, 04:20:13 PM
As for Princess Fairy Castle - that would, I assume have a Princess Fairy Dungeon with people getting locked in Princess Fairy Cages - I'd prefer to romp in the trees and listen to the birds doing their thing.
I'm a nice girl! I totally disagree with dark corners, dirt, and using things that lock. Think of it as a place of healing :-*
Quote from: Simone Louise on April 27, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
I second that. Some mtf/ftms maintain a second home in the forest. Occasionally, we have some quiet picnics. Tekla sounds ready to sponsor a wine tasting. And we've no gatekeeper to check our guests' gender.
S
Will there be fruitcake?
Quote from: Helena on April 30, 2011, 04:59:43 AM
Will there be fruitcake?
I believe the definitive thread about the Androgyne Reunion Picnic was https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,54810.msg343191.html#msg343191 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,54810.msg343191.html#msg343191), from a couple of years ago. Jaimey suggested we reune on the beach (where we were created) and things progressed from there. Pica was holding out for Scotch eggs and ginger beer. Somebody else wanted vegetarians (said they taste like chicken), and the thread went on for 9 pages. We were writing in February, so there might have been leftover fruitcake. I have also seen threads on fruitcake: some liked good ones; other proposed alternative uses. For the potluck picnics, just bring your own. Tekla wanted us to hike to the top of a volcano, as I remember, so you might not want a heavy fruitcake. Maybe you can trade it for some haggis.
Most of our best writing is in highjacked threads, so the search box at the top of the page is no help. I tried a Google search of "Susan's Place picnic", and came up with a restaurant in Sutter's Creek, California. Perhaps, some of the old timers here remember our picnic plans or have a better search strategy. We've had so many good ideas; we just need some way of indexing them. It is getting to be picnic weather again in the Northern Hemisphere; probably the Southern Hemisphere still has some good days left.
Now that I think of it, I am quite ready for lunch, so signing out,
S
I have to ask @ pica pica: above your avatar, the once and future king, or "a murder of one"?
just an old song about m->-bleeped-<-ies.
Quote from: ativan on April 28, 2011, 11:12:20 AM
And once again, the level of freak'n has dissipated into the ambiance...
hahaha :D
Emma, I'm glad you're sticking around
We sure are a fun folk. :D
...I go away to write a couple papers and look what I missed! Stupid grad school and it's seminar papers.