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Being gay and being trans

Started by BrendanIsQueer, September 19, 2012, 12:17:41 AM

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BrendanIsQueer

I know I'm like ridiculously new to this forum, so I thought maybe I'd dip my feet in by posting something relevant to my worries.
I'm gay. And I'm completely pre-op. I'm finding it very difficult to find a relationship with a guy- mostly because he's straight and I can't give him what he wants! I've tried to meet other guys who are into guys in some way or another, but most of them stay away because I'm pre-op, or they just aren't into "dealing" with a transgender dude. It really hurts to feel not wanted, I guess is the best way to summarize what I'm saying.  Are there any other gay guys here who understand, or have been through this? If so, please give me some advice! It's much needed.
Thanks!
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Jeatyn

Definitely been there, had my heart broken by a handful of guys who have acted completely cool with me being trans and seemed totally accepting - when in reality they just thought it was awesome to have a "girlfriend" that acted like one of the guys. Once real change starts setting in or they start getting perceived as gay by outsiders the game changes.

I'm afraid my advice is the same old cliqued advice that's given to everyone the world over, plenty more fish in the sea, stop looking and you'll find someone, you just need to find the right guy, etcetera etcetera. They're clique for a reason, because they're true!

I had officially given up on dating and decided I was going to focus on my daughter and my transition when I met a wonderful guy in a games store; it was pretty much love at first sight and our two year anniversary is in a couple of weeks :P
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supremecatoverlord

I hate to break it to you, but gay guys don't usually try to hold a relationship with a straight man. I'm going to assume that he currently sees you as a girl, and being that you most likely don't want to be seen that way, which makes this an unhealthy relationship for you to be in.
Meow.



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Ave

Quote from: JasonRX on September 19, 2012, 02:44:03 AM
I hate to break it to you, but gay guys don't usually try to hold a relationship with a straight man.

oh no, there is a whole subset of gay guys who fall under this delusion of having relationships with masculine "str8" guys ::)  (Arch, back me up!), but I get the gist of what you're trying to say. :P
I can see me
I can see you
Are you me?
Or am I you?
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Padma

Totally - back when I was trying hard to be a gay man, most of my gay friends spent most of their time breaking their hearts over straight fellas. Been there, done that.
Womandrogyneâ„¢
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supremecatoverlord

#5
Quote from: Ave on September 19, 2012, 02:47:11 AM
oh no, there is a whole subset of gay guys who fall under this delusion of having relationships with masculine "str8" guys ::)  (Arch, back me up!), but I get the gist of what you're trying to say. :P
My point was that most wouldn't consider it healthy, not that it doesn't happen.
:-\
Meow.



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ChaoticTribe

Personally I wouldn't WANT to be with a straight man. I am a gay transman and even before I was out or began transitioning, it kept turning out that I would date a guy and then later find out he was bisexual or, in one case, completely gay!

Then again, I always looked like a very young boy ~12 or so, even as a 20 year old (though I look closer to my age since starting T).

There are open-minded people out there, and you usually find them in minority groups. So if you're looking for a guy at the country club who's into you, that might be harder to find than a guy who's into Alternative lifestyle such as Kink, Furry, or Rave.

My current partner started dating me before I came out as trans but he was the one who kept asking me if I was trans, if I was a guy, if I wanted to take hormones and get surgery, etc. At first he seemed really worried and concerned which made me even more scared to admit things to him, and there were some tough times but he loves me very much and supports me. In fact, he is the one who takes me to my doctor appointments and has driven me out of state plenty of times to get testosterone, meet therapists, etc.
Was falsely diagnosed as a female-to-male transsexual.
I'm just a cisgender female picking up the pieces.
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Natkat

I been there.. and as some people already have said no I wouldnt date a straight guy unless he came out as bi.
I just cant deal with the straight label thing if people do so fine, put for me personal it feels like a stabbing for a guy to say "im straight I only date girls" and then date me is like disrespect to refering me as a girl or just being in denyal.
I could sleep with straight guys and have done it, but it would only be for a one night stand. guys usunally dont get much for running after straight guys, its just typical to do it anyway, running after types you wont get.

I had issues on guys all the time, pre T I had guys flirting with me but I was annoyed for whatever or not they would rejejct me when I turned more maculine, I still have that worry on my mind cause I know even when I changed alot from T I could change even more and become even more masculine.
its very risky and mental hard because even if your lucky that there is a guy who actually like you and you like him then you have to deal with the whole idea that he might get to a point where his not attracted too you anymore or whatever.

I do think I have this because manly the guys I been dating have been bisexual guys who where pretty straight, in the meaning that they had little to no experience in guys. So it made me extremly worry if it was just because they saw me as a girl, or was attracted to my femenine or androgyne apearance.

I seen a couple of ftms who date or are in relationships with gay guys, and I also had gay guys whos been into me, to be frank I still prefern bisexuals because I am scared of having a guy who couldnt deal with the things below. I think for some ftms its very easy being with gay guys because this thing arnt much of a deal to them, for me I do enjoy having sex there, and so. and im not planning on a surgery so it would be kinda troublesome.


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Adio

I'm gay and I personally wouldn't date a straight guy (unless he were "straight" and even then only topping him, not a romantic relationship, appeals to me).  I've been on T for over 2 1/2 years (3 in December), had top surgery June 2011, and I'm pre-lower surgery.  My boyfriend is a pre-op/pre-T trans guy.

I'll admit sometimes it's hard to reconcile the way I see him, as a man, with the way he sounds and his lack of body/facial hair, body shape, etc.  But I still see him and love him as a man.  We're both gay and it works for us.  Cis gender gay men have been attracted to me and I have had relationships with a few (one it turns out is actually more genderqueer but whatever).

It's difficult but not impossible to find a gay man, trans or not, who will be attracted to a pre-op and/or pre-T trans guy.  Try online dating sites (how my bf and I found each other) and let potential partners know that you are trans up front if you are comfortable with that.  You might be pleasantly surprised.
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Mercury

I dated a straight guy, there definitely was something fun about that. After we broke up he mentioned he is never going gay again, I would try it with another straight guy. Anyway, while I feel he totally respected me, however he was very insecure with himself sexually. Not with his orientation, he had a very small penis. Size of my thumb erect and non existent flaccid. It as a major turn off and I couldn't get over. He was 6'5, I expected him to be hung like a horse. I was very attracted to him otherwise, but he sucked in bed and couldn't satisfy me. I completely understand why a cis gay guy wouldn't bother with a trans man. I couldn't either. I actually wish anatomy wasn't so important to me sexually. I could never date another trans man. I'm to picky in general. I will probably end up alone.
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Ave

Quote from: Mercury on September 19, 2012, 04:15:16 PM
I dated a straight guy, there definitely was something fun about that. After we broke up he mentioned he is never going gay again, I would try it with another straight guy. Anyway, while I feel he totally respected me, however he was very insecure with himself sexually. Not with his orientation, he had a very small penis. Size of my thumb erect and non existent flaccid. It as a major turn off and I couldn't get over. He was 6'5, I expected him to be hung like a horse. I was very attracted to him otherwise, but he sucked in bed and couldn't satisfy me. I completely understand why a cis gay guy wouldn't bother with a trans man. I couldn't either. I actually wish anatomy wasn't so important to me sexually. I could never date another trans man. I'm to picky in general. I will probably end up alone.

lol, I'm so guilty of thinking the bigger/taller/broader the guy is the more heat he's packing (which in my experience is actually true) ;).
I can see me
I can see you
Are you me?
Or am I you?
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Mercury

Quote from: Ave on September 19, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
lol, I'm so guilty of thinking the bigger/taller/broader the guy is the more heat he's packing (which in my experience is actually true) ;).

I figure if a man of average height is 5-6 inches than a tall guy should be bigger if he is just propionate. This makes sense to me, but I met a guy who was only a bit taller than me, I am 5'5.5, and he was huge. Biggest cock I've seen in person.I joked the extra inches went to his dick.
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Ave

Quote from: Mercury on September 19, 2012, 04:27:06 PM
I figure if a man of average height is 5-6 inches than a tall guy should be bigger if he is just propionate. This makes sense to me, but I met a guy who was only a bit taller than me, I am 5'5.5, and he was huge. Biggest cock I've seen in person.I joked the extra inches went to his dick.

omg, this is like a kiki lounge ^^

I don't think we're allowed to talk like this though :O
I can see me
I can see you
Are you me?
Or am I you?
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Natkat

Quote from: Mercury on September 19, 2012, 04:15:16 PM
I actually wish anatomy wasn't so important to me sexually. I could never date another trans man.
just because you have a small penis, dosen't mean you have a small dildo collection.
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anibioman

Quote from: BrendanIsQueer on September 19, 2012, 12:17:41 AM... they just aren't into "dealing" with a transgender dude.
i find its the same way with girls they dont want to deal with the etra ->-bleeped-<- that being trans comes with.

ChaoticTribe

Yes I do agree that a lot of cisgender people don't want to deal with the extra considerations transgender people have in their lives (such as requiring Dr visits and blood tests, hormone levels straightened out, saving up for surgery, different than usual genitals) but then again many of them do. It's just the odds. Bout the same as the odds of finding someone who is into a relationship with someone who has other major factors in their life, such as physical limitations or a job where they are often away on business or infertility or something else. Some people can't deal with added stress or factors to consider financially, or when planning trips, or just day to day.

That said, the partners who ARE okay with it and do stick around, I have found tend to be the most giving people and will work harder, give more, make sacrifices, and work together. They are just in general better people, and their satisfaction and ability to handle their life means they can handle things with other people too. Ever heard of how people who do charity work and donations are happier? I don't think they're happier because they give, I think they are able and willing to give because they are happier and less caught up in stress and personal issues. This makes them able to deal with problems larger than themselves, or help those who need help and make room in their life for things that require a little more effort.





Sadly I too would probably be more inclined to be with a cisgendered male rather than a transman but NOT because of attractiveness. Because even though I don't ever want kids, I just like the one biological ability that only cisgender and not transmen have. Then again there are creative ways around that with toys, so it would depend on the person and how much I loved them. After all, I would stay with my current partner even if he lost his erotic ability and even if he were suffering even more severe problems, so I guess it really comes down to this:

What matters when you first meet someone doesn't matter so much once you already love them, and all that 'initial attraction and excitement' junk goes right out the window when faced with dating a new person or being with the love of your life.

Online dating is a great way to get close to people who can learn to love you for who you are, not what is or isn't downstairs, and then once you've got the connection that doesn't matter nearly as much. On the other hand, if things don't work out so well all you have to do is block their email or number and there's way less risk of being stalked or outed to everyone that you know.
Was falsely diagnosed as a female-to-male transsexual.
I'm just a cisgender female picking up the pieces.
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BrendanIsQueer

Thank you all so much for replying! It's really awesome!
I'm not trying to date a straight man, though- I've learned my lesson on that way too many times to count!  ::) Definitely a no-no. I was just saying that when I did, they definitely just dropped it as soon as they realized that "Wow, okay no homo", to put it bluntly. It's really nice to see I'm not the only one here who's dealing with it! Thank you. I'm sure that I'm going to go ahead and follow the cliques, as much as I usually try and stay away from those, haha. Perhaps one day I'll meet Mr. Right, and not Mr. Right-Until-I-Realize-You're-A-Dude.  ;)
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Felix

Gay guys often hurt my feelings but I still feel better not getting laid enough post-transition than I did getting laid by (and dating) straight men who liked masculine chicks. It is frustrating though and you are definitely not alone. Homosexual men can be a tough crowd for transguys.
everybody's house is haunted
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Zerro

I'm bisexual, and the last dude I dated was straight and basically forced me to be his girlfriend. Not an experience I would like to relive, so I can feel you on your frustration.

Here's the truth - there are gay cis dudes out there who will consider a relationship with a pre op trans man, but they're a bit harder to find and even then, there are issues. It's hard to be with someone who is trans for a lot of people, and so a lot of people tend to shy away from them.

The best thing you can do is focus on yourself. Take care of your needs. Relationships can be nice, but if you spend all your time looking for one, you probably won't like the end result. Work on things that make you happy, go to new places or try new things. Spend time with friends or people you care about. It's hard to do, but healthy and fulfilling relationships tend to find you when you're not digging around for them.

You're likely to find someone out there, it just takes a lot of time to find the 'right' person who will work well with you and respect you.

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dalebert

Quote from: ChaoticTribe on September 19, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
Yes I do agree that a lot of cisgender people don't want to deal with the extra considerations transgender people have in their lives (such as requiring Dr visits and blood tests, hormone levels straightened out, saving up for surgery, different than usual genitals) but then again many of them do.

That last part seems odd to me. It seems to me that in a perfect world, half the gay men would have penises and half would have... shall we way, complimentary genitals. I realize this is kind of delicate ground to tread. The subject apparently triggers dysphoria for a lot of guys. I apologize in advance for that. I've often said that genitals have never been what defines my gayness. I'm attracted to men, always have been, and I've often said it's never been about their junk for me. To be completely honest though, I think trans men are more appealing than cis men in that particular department (assuming it's not a significant source of dyshporia for them, of course). I'm surprised more cis guys don't feel that way.