Are there clear pros and cons between these two? So far from what I can gather is that the non-inversion technique is way better, it just has a worse recovery period.

non inversion is really still inversion but with different materials; generally it's a better use of them considering what passed for labia in the days before it.

There are major differences between those two techniques. My recovery was very smooth and nothing like i have read. But still Dr CH. technique is different to other techniques.

Inversion

Pros. Uses skin flap, and therefore the chances of survival of the wall of the vagina are greater
cons. The usual depth is 4- 5" and the vulva doesn't look as a genetic female.

Non- inversion
Pros. greater depth
        greater sensations
        looks 100% like a genetic female
cons. uses skin graft that can die
        overtime the depth can be lost
        some non- inversion techniques have rough recovery

I hope this gives you a better insight

Aren't there only like 2 non-inversion surgeons and both are in Thailand?  Is anyone else doing them?

They are all in Thailand and i think they are 5, in my knowledge, who do the non- inversion technique

Reviving a thread that is relevant to my interest and a recent posting in this sub forum.

Does non-inversion require some lifetime commitment to maintain it? Besides basic girly activities(sexual and non-sexual).  I am guessing the death of the skin graft has more to do with surgical complications.

Really seems like a way superior option in look and sensation.

The differences are a bit exaggerated sometimes. The biggest advantage to non-inversion is just that it isn't limited by the size of the material, so you don't have to face the possibility of a skin graft or of having really limited depth. The trade off is that the recovery can be rougher. The aesthetics and sensation claims are... claims. For example, Brassard is widely recognized as having some of the most aesthetically pleasing results, and he does inversion, so whatvs. Some of the top doctors do non-inversion, so of course they are going to have better aesthetics and sensation than other options, but I think that has more to do with their skill than the different technique.

Both techniques require lifetime maintenance. Regular penetrative intercourse can be substituted for dilation past 1-year (assuming no complications). Same either way.

Brassard says about 15% come back for a labiaplasty, the others I guess are fine with leaving it / don't want to pay for it (the second op isn't covered in Canada since it's aesthetic). Personally I haven't decided yet. I'm waiting till I hit my year mark and things are set. But I'm leaning towards doing it. Since I'm planning to do a BA next year anyway I could combine them. Having a fourchette requires a second op; I guess it depends how obsessive you are about that kind of thing. (I'm pretty obsessive.)

Quote from: Bella on September 28, 2012, 07:15:29 AM
Do you know if he'd be willing to do labiaplasty  on suporn patients?

Why wouldn't you just go back to Suporn? Doesn't it make more sense to stay with the same doctor for the second op, since he at least knows where he put everything?

Quote from: Abracadabra on September 28, 2012, 01:11:03 AM
He is using scrotal tissue (all of it, actually seen it...) for the 'lining' of the vj-channel in his 3rd op (second op simply being replacement of packing and checking for blood vessel damage, in possible need of cauterisation).
The first and longest op (~ 8hrs with me) is the creation of the vulva, en toto.

My entire (and only) op was two and a half hours!

If you want to get a labiaplasty for whatever reason is there some kind of time limit?

Might sound like a stupid question and I doubt there is but just curious.

Quote from: Rita on September 28, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
If you want to get a labiaplasty for whatever reason is there some kind of time limit?

Might sound like a stupid question and I doubt there is but just curious.

Nope. More the other way around. Most doctors have a minimum waiting period after your vaginoplasty.

Quote from: Sarah7 on September 28, 2012, 02:16:18 PM
Nope. More the other way around. Most doctors have a minimum waiting period after your vaginoplasty.

Vaginoplasty is the actual SRS I assume.

Quote from: Rita on September 28, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
If you want to get a labiaplasty for whatever reason is there some kind of time limit?

Might sound like a stupid question and I doubt there is but just curious.

Its not a stupid question, I had a labiaplasty about 3 or 4months after my srs or (vaginoplasty), had it under local anesthesia, its a long time ago, I don't remember much pain but remember having lots of stitches, bit uncomfortable and a terrible itch, the vulva area was very itchy for days which they say is a good sign of healing. There is a cure for a terrible itch if your a guy, but not for a girl, its not very ladylike, we just have to suffer. At least I got a normal looking pussy and no boyfriends ever complained so it was worth it. The scars healed well but every vagina is individually different on every woman

Quote from: pretty pauline on October 03, 2012, 08:29:11 AM
Its not a stupid question, I had a labiaplasty about 2months after my srs or (vaginoplasty), had it under local anesthesia, its a long time ago, I don't remember much pain but remember having lots of stitches, bit uncomfortable and a terrible itch, the vulva area was very itchy for days which they say is a good sign of healing. There is a cure for a terrible itch if your a guy, but not for a girl, its not very ladylike, we just have to suffer.

Thats why the secret club of the ladies rest room exists.

Including the couch those bathrooms get sometimes    Oh crap the ladilluminati are going to get me for unleashing the secrets O_O

I thought Brassard performed labiaplasty as part of the procedure. So the results still aren't ideal after that?

I have questions about that. What exactly does a labiaplasty do on Brassard's patients? What's the difference? It's yucky, but are there some before-after pictures to compare?

I mean, I did see pictures from some doctors who systematically perform a two-stage procedure - as in, after just the vaginoplasty, it doesn't even look like a vulva, more like an open hole with an unhooded clitoris and some flab instead of labia. But his looked rather okay, no?

So what is there to correct with a labiaplasty, precisely? I don't get it.

And assuming I'd want it, how expensive is it?

Quote from: A on October 07, 2012, 05:51:19 PM
I thought Brassard performed labiaplasty as part of the procedure. So the results still aren't ideal after that?

I have questions about that. What exactly does a labiaplasty do on Brassard's patients? What's the difference? It's yucky, but are there some before-after pictures to compare?

I mean, I did see pictures from some doctors who systematically perform a two-stage procedure - as in, after just the vaginoplasty, it doesn't even look like a vulva, more like an open hole with an unhooded clitoris and some flab instead of labia. But his looked rather okay, no?

So what is there to correct with a labiaplasty, precisely? I don't get it.

And assuming I'd want it, how expensive is it?

Brassard does a one-stage procedure, which gives you inner labia and a hooded clit. However, the labia do not meet at the bottom and there isn't the kind of definition around the clit hood that most cis women have. Which is the same with ALL the doctors who do a one-stage procedure. You can't create a fourchette in a one-stage because it will die from lack of blood flow. A labiaplasty can be performed to correct those issues - but not very many post-op women bother to do it (partly because it's within the normal variation of cis women's vaginas). At the same time he would tweak the appearance of the inner labia in terms of thickness and symmetry if you/he thought it was appropriate.

No idea what the price is, and it's definitely not covered by public healthcare since it's cosmetic. I'll find out when I go for my one year post-op appointment.

I'd love to be informed about the price when you know it.

I think there's a good chance that I would want it. I'm a bit of a perfectionist as well. But I also think it's gonna have to wait a long time. Me and my awesome income are already gonna need a lot of hope and luck to afford just a tracheal shave. :p

Thanks for the info. Though I'm wondering about this: you said we get inner labia. We... Don't get outer labia? Or is it just a given that we get those?

Quote from: A on October 07, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Thanks for the info. Though I'm wondering about this: you said we get inner labia. We... Don't get outer labia? Or is it just a given that we get those?

Sorry, I didn't mention that because the first part of the two-stage ops create outer labia as well. Yes, of course, we get outer labia.

It's really just the inner labia that are complicated because of being so delicate.

I'll try to remember to let you know when I find out the price. My year post-op isn't till February though so it will be a while. And if I decide to go ahead it wouldn't be till Fall 2013, so ages before I'd have personal experience.

Just for some price ideas... Dr Sanguan does labiaplasty for US$ 1.5k for his SRS patients.

Doing it on other patients depends ever so much what needs to be done.

One enquiry I was involved in, came to almost the same price as his full SRS (US$ 13k)...
This for a person that had the local SA 'job' done and had major rings-car issues (pencil size introitus) post-colovaginoplasty. Still awaiting for her 3rd op... local 'labiaplasty'.

So price ever so much depends on what needs to be done. Nothing new about that I guess.

Axélle