I'm looking to have some FFS done in the future. I have my thoughts on what I want, I've consulted with a surgeon I am interested in going to (Dr. Z); so now I'd like some other thoughts and opinions. So take a gander and let me know what ya think!

Edit Sept. 27, 2013: I removed my photos. (Sorry). See this post for an update.

My thoughts/wants are:
-forehead bossing and eye orbital area
-rhinoplasty (shape, size, odd asymmetry on the tip)
-chin
-trachea

Dr. Z said all of the above plus:
-fat injections to lips, cheeks, and nasolabial creases (laugh lines)
-upper lip lift
-jaw angle/masseter muscle reduction

The lip lift I agree with because it makes sense in the context of other things I am doing (rhino/chin). The fat injections, I'm not sure about. The jaw angle, he said, was to make the lower face more "heart-shaped"; my concern is that I already have a pretty long and narrow lower jaw, and that may make it look too narrow. (I'm worried about my jaw resembling a King Tut beard!)

Other pertinent(?) information:
I'm 28, 10 months on hormones, and full-time. I'm slim (just underweight), but I have trouble putting on weight.

Thank you to everyone who offers their opinions or comments. I appreciate the advice!

I can't really see why you would do the jaw work. Dr. Z can be a bit... over-enthusiastic sometimes (but he is an excellent surgeon). If you could put on some weight yourself, it might make the fat injections unnecessary (my face is a lot rounder and more attractive since I hit a healthy weight - you really have to discipline yourself, it's worth it). The upper lip lift would probably make you look prettier, but it's definitely more on the aesthetic rather than feminizing side. I'd probably do it since you are doing nose work anyway.

Have you considering doing http://www.virtualffs.co.uk/ ? I found it really helpful when I was planning my facial surgery.

Jaw angle shaving WTF? You need jaw AUGMENTATION preferebly with a fat graft and also chin burring since right now your face is an upside down trapezoid instead of oval/heart like you want it. Also agree with the lip lift and nasolabial/cheek filler to add dimension.

Fat injections are non permanent since the fat tends to migrate. There are other procedures such as malar implants

@NekoKoNeko

I don't know what you are thinking, but you look like a woman, and I am not trying to be nice. What are they trying to tell you? What are the male characteristics of your face?

I do see an adam's apple, though.

You look great!

I pretty much agree with everything on your list. As far as Dr.Z's recs go, maybe the upper lip lift, but I'm not a fan of fat injections as they tend to dissipate over time and can need to be redone (waste of money). You chin and jawline look fine to me. I'd pass on those. You look great btw currently.

Nah, you need exactly what you want. (first list)

But you look great, if you needed to just pass... the adam's apple is the most important, the rest will just make you prettier.
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The rest are just overdoing it. It might make you look fake too, referring to the fat injections.

Thank you to everyone who has replied. I appreciate your thoughtful comments, helpful advice and kind words.

Quote from: NotThereYet on September 22, 2012, 10:16:54 PM
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I don't know what you are thinking, but you look like a woman, and I am not trying to be nice. What are they trying to tell you? What are the male characteristics of your face?
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I think the two big areas that scream "male characteristic" to me are my eye orbital areas and my chin. For the eye orbitals, they make my eyes look deep set, and I think that detracts from my eyes which I think are a good, feminine feature. There's also an effect on my eyebrows: they sort of make me look angry in a neutral pose (not to mention they are a bit asymmetrical).

As for my chin, that has bothered me even since I was little. I suppose comparisons to Dudley Do-Right will do that to you. I have a narrow jaw and that, combined with the long, square chin, gives the lower part of my face a masculine look.

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I feel like I pass most of the time, but I would like FFS to cover for the times I don't. And yes, it's a little vain, but I would like to be a little prettier.

I won't comment every answer posted here, but to my opinion, you would need :
- work on the brow bossing
- something about the shape of your chin, it's very square but I don't know if it's too long
- probably rhinoplasty since other features of your face would be changed.

What Dr.Z said about the rest sounds good to me (slight doubt about the lips).

Your chin could definitely be improved and I agree about the eyes. Your reasons for rhinoplasty are my own!

I'm a bit curious about the jaw though. From the front I don't see the need but from the side it seems stronger though maybe that's in conjunction with the adam's apple? I'm ambivalent about the jaw work.

I would do the upper lip lift for the same reason as others have mentioned - the nose is being done anyway and it should produce a more feminine smile.

I think you look beautiful and all woman as you are, but you seem to have a good understandig of what you want, and so many zealous FFS supporters, so I bet you'll come out perfectly happy with the results. A beauty.

I think you'd be fine if you just redid your nose and chin. (and adam's apple) Aside from that, you should see if there's any exercises that would improve your curved spine.

I appreciate the further comments and advice. Thank you!

Quote from: LizMarie on October 06, 2012, 07:51:57 PM
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I'm a bit curious about the jaw though. From the front I don't see the need but from the side it seems stronger though maybe that's in conjunction with the adam's apple? I'm ambivalent about the jaw work.
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I feel the same. I've seen websites dedicated to female celebrities with straight or square jawlines, so I think the jawline is minor compared to most of the other features. It isn't very visible in my pictures, but my jawline runs about two inches straight down from my ear, has a small bump, then runs sharply to my chin. I am thinking that the chin work might flatten or at least give a curved shape to the lower part of the jawline, so the overall jawline isn't straight from ear to chin. That combined with the nose/forehead stuff, will likely improve my profile enough to make the jawline a non-issue.

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 08, 2012, 03:36:59 AM
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Aside from that, you should see if there's any exercises that would improve your curved spine.

My curved spine? I'm not really sure to what you are referring. Does that relate to FFS somehow?

in my opinion u look very natural and feminine already,
but if u really wanna get ffs the only things i'd suggest are:
trachea shave, forehead bossing & rhinoplasty.
whatever it is that u choose to get done i hope it turns out
amazing!

I would only do your nose (with maybe a -slight- lip lift) and the trachea shave. I don't see any brow bossing on your face at all! I personally think on your face the "full boat" FFS would be a waste of money and might not improve your looks, unless you do want to look like someone else. You are very pretty but a think a fem nose and adams apple reduction, you would be looking really pretty! Besides saving a ton of money, you would have a MUCH shorter recovery time and less chance of complications, less time on the table etc.

You'd be hard-pressed finding a woman with a similar jawline to you from frontal view, they would have a long face and be very skinny. From the side it doesn't pop enough to register as masculine though. How is your fat distribution? Maybe if you gain weight it will round off.

you totally get what needs to be done, don't doubt yourself. i have seen lots of the surgeons now and i do find that they can make you doubt your original opinion and confuse you! but you have a great understanding of your face.

i reckon the most dramatic change for you will be your forehead (and full setback would be most effective as opposed to just a shave). the projection overshadows your pretty eyes and also creates a harsh angle from the side and 3/4 view. pulling that back and opening up your eyes will transform your face. everything else will be the icing on the cake, but not essential. and lucky for you your hairline is nice and low so you could even avoid a visible scar with an incision behind the hairline.

certainly refining your nose would have a positive effect - some deprojection at the tip end and slight elevation of tip (but not a piggy nose of course )

OMG DO NOT TOUCH YOUR JAW! I do like Dr Z but that is absolute craziness. you are totally right in your instinct, ignore it and cross it off your list.

Your chin projection is lovely from the side and 3/4, it just could do with a touch of narrowing from the front and a slight vertical reduction.

Your lips are lovely. please don't pump them full of fat, they are feminine and natural and just don't need it. they will not look good. a lip lift could enhance things, but it isn't essential and remember it will provide a scar, so don't rush into it. you could always do it later if you felt it was bothering you. don't let surgeons trivialize these kinds of procedures, throwing them in there casually. every one has its risks and potential complications so the fewer you can get away with the better 

before committing to fat injections into the cheeks i would test the water with fillers to see if you like the result as at least they are temporary. Adding volume there by whatever method might help widen the cheeks and therefore balance out the narrowness you mentioned in your jaw, creating some curves there, but there is a risk of overstuffing because you do have quite a narrow face, and so i would proceed conservatively. However i do think that fat grafting to the temples would be very beneficial. Indeed if you could round out that area i think you would see less of a need to do anything much to the cheek area.

surgeons like to encourage you to do a one-stop shop and get it all one in one sitting, but i don't agree. they will say it saves you money etc, but the money you would save from not splitting any additionally procedures such as lip lift and fat grafting or whatever is nothing if you think about these things affecting you for the rest of your life. and as i said before, you don't want to be doing procedures you don't need, and sometimes the only way of knowing is by doing the more obvious things first and then sitting back and assessing things. You can never go wrong that way, even if it does take a little longer to achieve your ultimate goal.

so in summary: forehead setback definitely and unreservedly, along with chin and nose and fat grafting to temples. anything else i would hold off on for now.

have you consulted any other surgeons apart from dr z yet?

I appreciate the replies that continue to come in. Thank you everyone for sharing.

Quote from: 8888 on October 11, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
You'd be hard-pressed finding a woman with a similar jawline to you from frontal view, they would have a long face and be very skinny. From the side it doesn't pop enough to register as masculine though. How is your fat distribution? Maybe if you gain weight it will round off.

The pictures in my first post I took about 2-3 months ago, I think, and in that time I have managed to put on a little weight. What I've noticed is that any fat has benefited the middle part of my face and has helped widen things there. It has helped only slightly with the chin area, but fact is the bone around my chin contributes the most to the shape.

Quote from: englishroseeight on October 30, 2012, 02:17:18 AM
Your lips are lovely. please don't pump them full of fat, they are feminine and natural and just don't need it. they will not look good. a lip lift could enhance things, but it isn't essential and remember it will provide a scar, so don't rush into it. you could always do it later if you felt it was bothering you. don't let surgeons trivialize these kinds of procedures, throwing them in there casually. every one has its risks and potential complications so the fewer you can get away with the better 

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have you consulted any other surgeons apart from dr z yet?

Thank you for the long reply! I felt the same about fat injections. My reasoning was that any bone work would have a dramatic effect to begin with, so I would rather see where that leaves me and proceed from there. Fat injections can be done anywhere and don't require a long down time or recovery. I have similar feelings about the lip lift, so I'm still considering whether to go through with that one.

I believe that the lip lift uses the same incision as that for the rhinoplasty (under the philtrum), so having a lip lift/rhino together should result in just one scar.

I only consulted with Dr. Z. He has a good reputation, tons of experience, and I felt the price he offered was fair. I have a surgery scheduled with him in February.

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Quote from: NekoKoNeko on October 30, 2012, 11:39:31 AM

I believe that the lip lift uses the same incision as that for the rhinoplasty (under the philtrum), so having a lip lift/rhino together should result in just one scar.

One thing to consider, I had a down turned nose and had rhinoplasty (only) to fem my face up. He wanted to do a lip lift/chin reduction which I rejected. What ended up happening was, when the end of my nose was turned up, it increased the space between my nose and upper lip, which made the distance from my lower lip to my chin -appear- shorter. Like it balanced the distance of my mouth between my nose and chin. If I had done a lip lift my chin would still appear too long or at least longer than it does now. Just something to think about.

Also there is nothing wrong with thin lips, not every woman has those thick plump lips I see many docs trying to create. Same with the jaw line, some REALLY pretty women have jaw lines these guys would say look manly and need to be fixed to "pass"..

Whatever you do leave your lips and jaw alone!!! They are fine just the way they are. I think you'd benefit the most from the rino, chin, trachea and the brow. The brow contouring tends wake up the face the most when I look at FFS. Everything else you can asses afterwards. You may find that the other procedures balances everything else out. Lucky for you you don't a complete overhaul. I hope everything works out for you with whatever you decided.