Quote from: Jayne on October 14, 2012, 01:11:00 PM
"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

Smartest saying ever. I think I'll use it in the future instead of failing in an attempt to express myself properly.

Quote from: Jayne on October 14, 2012, 01:11:00 PM
"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

hmm,

Can a certain scientist here answer on who the burden of proof would be in this discussion? :3

This discussion is destined to go round & round in circles & i've got better things to do with my time.
I will simply state that i've tried crammjing my feet into shoes 1 size too small & I could barely walk, I cannot concieve of someones wishfull thinking blocking this pain & discomfort of tight shoes.
Unless someone can prove that the people who say their feet have shrank are victims of wishfull thinking then i'll continue believing that these people have nothing to gain from such fabrications.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on October 02, 2012, 09:40:55 AMYea same here, 12 years on HRT and anti androgens I haven't noticed any changes in my height which is exactely the same.

You said a few months ago that you'd been on anti-androgens for 14 years, and in the very beginning of the before/after thread, around this time last year, you also said 12 years.

Combined with this and your constant claims that you've alternately gotten nothing or masculinized further from HRT, I'm not convinced you're telling the whole truth about your experiences.

Ave: The thing is, it goes both ways. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of presence.

Personally, I think it's important to know that some people, for some reason, be they right or wrong in their testimonies, experienced foot shrinkage, and that it's possible that it could happen to you. Because if they don't know about that or disbelieve it, people could do like my girlfriend and buy shoes in advance, only to feel frustration later because they don't fit anymore.

So I believe it's important to know all of the most commonly alledged effects from HRT and take them into consideration. Of course, it must be clear in people's head what are alledged effects and what are proven effects: it's normal to totally expect breast growth, but foot shrinkage, you shouldn't bet on that, for example.

If we were gonna include shrinking on an official list of effects from HRT, then yes, we'd need proof. But we're just saying it's not impossible, and you can't disprove that with doubts.

Doubting that it can happen and doubting that it cannot happen... none of those is a doubt superior to the other. In other words, no "side" can prove the other wrong. After all, we're talking opinions and anecdotal evidence.

In a way, it's like saying that there cannot be extra-terrestrials if we haven't seen them, or that there must be extra-terrestrials because there is no proof that they can't exist. No side can be right.

In short, we should stop fighting because none of us can be right. People should just see and make their opinion about it, because there's hardly a better course of action.

I went shopping with a friend yesterday. We went to this great, big shoe store. It was so cool to see all those great shoes. Anyway, I tried on quite a few types of shoes. My size ranged from 8 1/2 to 9 1/2 depending on the make, style, material, everything.

btw, if you have a DSW around you, they have great shoes in so many styles, and so many sizes.

The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim, as with claims of deities, fairies, pink unicorns, demons, ESP, homeopathic remedies, ghkHKHJFGHJKG etc. It's not my responsibility to disprove it. Until someone shows corroborated evidence of the claim, it remains unproven and just speculation, only. I can only remain agnostic.

Quote from: Tesla on October 15, 2012, 05:50:21 PM
The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim, as with claims of deities, fairies, pink unicorns, demons, ESP, homeopathic remedies, ghkHKHJFGHJKG etc. It's not my responsibility to disprove it. Until someone shows corroborated evidence of the claim, it remains unproven and just speculation, only. I can only remain agnostic.

Quoted for truth.