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living with your limitations of femininity and transition

Started by oZma, October 16, 2012, 01:39:38 PM

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oZma

I'm having a hard time dealing with myself.  maybe it's being new to fulltime? 6 months and having spent the majority of it healing from ffs.  but I feel as if I'm constantly aware of my feminine limitations.  when I say that I mean

my voice, I can't make annoying girl noises.  I can't scream, I can't talk all excited in a high pitch like girls do.  I can't sing a melody in a feminine way... etc...

my body shape, as much as people tell me I have a feminine figure, all I see are shorter women with bigger butts and hips and tiny shoulders.  I feel like a giant.  OK let my clarify, I feel fine about my body when I'm alone but the second I'm around another girl... I feel so disgusted with myself.  I feel like 'who am I kidding, you're a boy, that is a girl... you should totally go back to being a boy and stop trying to be a girl"

I could probably go on and on with things like this, inner dialogue with myself about each limitation I reach when it comes to being feminine.

now I know people are going to say 'well I have a cisgender friend and she is way masculine' but thats neither here nor there.... she knows she is a girl, she doesn't have this inner struggle I feel daily

I don't know what to do, my anxiety is getting worse.  I'm lonely.  I can't make friends... boys just want to sex me until they find out I'm ->-bleeped-<-, girls.... well like I said above, they just make me super anxious and make me aware of my limitations.

I just want to feel accepted somewhere, by people who don't owe me obligation, in real life, with or without a penis...


ugghh, I'm crazy
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jacqueline_rose

Quote from: oZma on October 16, 2012, 01:39:38 PM
I'm having a hard time dealing with myself.  maybe it's being new to fulltime? 6 months and having spent the majority of it healing from ffs.  but I feel as if I'm constantly aware of my feminine limitations.  when I say that I mean

my voice, I can't make annoying girl noises.  I can't scream, I can't talk all excited in a high pitch like girls do.  I can't sing a melody in a feminine way... etc...
I believe that most of us face this problem. I still sound nothing like a woman despite training for several years, we just have to keep trying and not think about it so much. the more you notice it the harder it is to change. so relax and just do it anyway, whether or not it sounds right, youl correct yourself to where you want to be with time.

Quote from: oZma on October 16, 2012, 01:39:38 PM
my body shape, as much as people tell me I have a feminine figure, all I see are shorter women with bigger butts and hips and tiny shoulders.  I feel like a giant.  OK let my clarify, I feel fine about my body when I'm alone but the second I'm around another girl... I feel so disgusted with myself.  I feel like 'who am I kidding, you're a boy, that is a girl... you should totally go back to being a boy and stop trying to be a girl"

I could probably go on and on with things like this, inner dialogue with myself about each limitation I reach when it comes to being feminine.
I know exactly what you mean. im 6,2 and tower over several men, not to mention most women that I meet. I cant help but compare myself to most women and think that they all look way sexier than i do! but it doesnt matter, im happy being who I am and thats what really matters. You need to stop caring about them (harder to do than say, trust me i know...) But really you just have to let it all go and be happy being you. You are who you want to be now, so be happy.  ;) everyday I just smile and keep doing what im doing, because no one else matters, just my happiness.

Quote from: oZma on October 16, 2012, 01:39:38 PM
now I know people are going to say 'well I have a cisgender friend and she is way masculine' but thats neither here nor there.... she knows she is a girl, she doesn't have this inner struggle I feel daily

I don't know what to do, my anxiety is getting worse.  I'm lonely.  I can't make friends... boys just want to sex me until they find out I'm ->-bleeped-<-, girls.... well like I said above, they just make me super anxious and make me aware of my limitations.
I just want to feel accepted somewhere, by people who don't owe me obligation, in real life, with or without a penis...


ugghh, I'm crazy

But thats a good thing! craziness means awesomness! lol. seriously though, Here you are accepted. I know that if we could all get together then we would embrace each other as sisters. and one day we wont have to feel that way in public, the world will accept us. Thats why im an active volunteer, the community will see that we are just like them and just want to be us.
As for men... I cant say anything, Im afraid of them... and the only ones that want me (granted I still stand out as a male trying to pass as female) only want me for sex. but i dont let it get me down. there is someone for everyone, and both of us will meet our persons in time. have patience (hard, i know. >.<) and keep being the fabulous person you are. People will notice the confidence and help boost you to be even better!

By the way, your beautifull!!!  ;) smile!
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

-Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken)
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JoanneB

How much time if any did you spend living part time?
Have you had voice training?
How much time was spent working on your voice before going full-time?
How long, if at all, on HRT?
What were your expectations for full-time and FFS?

Transition is work, tears, and lots of compromises. There is no guarantee of the results. There are no quick fixes without a boatload of $$$$$ to overcome some, certainly not all, biological limitations. It is something not to be rushed into in most cases. It definitly is not something to go it alone without some support. Be it a therapist or a TG support group. All the surgeries and hormones in the world cannot make up for emotional growth and attitude. I learned that well after testing the waters of transition twice in my 20s.

I am 6ft tall, big boned, deep voice, etc., etc.. It's a long list of negatives. I live and work in a rural area with women whose average height must be 5'4"! Their weight is either 95 lbs or over 195 lbs! Talk about a fish out of water. Does it bother me? Sure. Am I the happiest I've ever been in my life? Bet the ranch on that! In spite of the negatives I somehow manage to pass and am accepted as a woman. I aint greedy. It's all I've ever really wanted. It has been an emotionally intense 2 years to get to this point. I still am not sure about full-time.
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Danigrl

This topic is hitting me hard today. I've bawled several times agonizing over whether to give up or not. I just want to be happy. I want you to be happy. But I don't know what that is.....
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peky



We all, white, brown, or black, young or old, rich or poor, male or female, have real or perceived short comings. The trick to happiness is to make the best out your "gifts," so as to compensate for the deficiencies.

Change what you can, accept what you cannot, and be grateful of what you have. At the end of the day, it is all on your head. This is part of growing up, maturing into the kind of person you ought to be.
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jacqueline_rose

Quote from: Danigrl on October 16, 2012, 06:56:17 PM
This topic is hitting me hard today. I've bawled several times agonizing over whether to give up or not. I just want to be happy. I want you to be happy. But I don't know what that is.....
In the end only you can decide what happiness means to you. Whatever you choose to do, to continue or not, to try something else, or just stay where you are, you should do it just for you. Find your happiness, if you cant see it yet, keep looking. so long as there is life then there is hope.

No matter what course you choose, do it just for you.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

-Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken)
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pretty

Normally when I compare myself to really pretty cis girls I feel better by turning around and comparing myself to normal cis girls... I have a really averagely feminine body. I wear a medium or small in like every brand and usually it fits really well. No matter how trans-looking your body is there are prob uglier cis girls, at least there are a lot of cis girls I wouldn't trade bodies with  :)

But... when it comes to voice, it feels pretty bad because there is an obvious difference there... idk  :-\
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Kelly J. P.

Quote from: oZma on October 16, 2012, 01:39:38 PM
I'm having a hard time dealing with myself.  maybe it's being new to fulltime? 6 months and having spent the majority of it healing from ffs.  but I feel as if I'm constantly aware of my feminine limitations.  when I say that I mean

....

I definitely know how you mean, especially with regards to the voice. I hate not being able to make those high pitched squeals any more - I used to do them all the time before puberty.
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oZma

Quote from: Kelly J. P. on October 16, 2012, 10:10:46 PM
I definitely know how you mean, especially with regards to the voice. I hate not being able to make those high pitched squeals any more - I used to do them all the time before puberty.

when i was a kid i would jokingly scream like a girl to get laughs... i miss being able to do that (not the joke part obvy)
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MaidofOrleans

You seem to have a lot of negative self image issues and very little self respect.

First of all, stop referring to yourself as a "->-bleeped-<-" that is step number one.

Second, drop this idealist I need to be a perfect woman BS. Nobody is perfect, and every Cis/Trans woman has body issues. Perfection is impossible and those that seek it go mad or destroy themselves in the process.

You need confidence in yourself. You are beautiful, even more so than most Cis Women, so that shouldn't even be an issue. Your issue is you think your identity defines who you are and that is all that is important. There are plenty of people out there who will love and accept you regardless of you being a trans women. They may not even care. True friends don't see things like that as they see the person, not the person's race, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc.

You can make friends, the only person stopping you is that little devil on your shoulder telling you that you can't. Turn your cheek and listen to the angel on the other, the one that says you are capable and worthy of love. They believe in you and so do I. Do not give up on yourself ever.

If you are ever in So-Cal, hit me up. I'd have no problem being your friend.
"For transpeople, using the right pronoun is NOT simply a 'political correctness' issue. It's core to the entire struggle transpeople go through. Using the wrong pronoun means 'I don't recognize you as who you are.' It means 'I think you're confused, delusional, or mentally I'll.'. It means 'you're not important enough for me to acknowledge your struggle.'"
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justmeinoz

Like the previous post, we are our own worst enemies and every woman has body issues.  It is society that has the problem, not you.
I bet if you asked anyone to guess your age they would knock off at least a couple of years at least. That is one of the upsides of HRT which I presume you are on. Couple that with your FFS and you will look great.  Your photo shows a very attractive young woman. 
I avoid mirrors unless I am actually fixing my lipstick or hair, they are bad things to have around.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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Meria

Leaving a side all this appareance and body issues, that I completely understand and many of us do...

There's a fact that will always remain. In order to be happy, you MUST be yourself. Of course its not always easy for everyone, each one has a particular way to face their fears and feelings. But if you give up... And you just act like its "expected" from the society to be less of a target of many aggressions and sad moments we all know... Well, you may actually succeed at that. Yet you will have this big void inside of you, for pretending and not beeing the person you truly are.

You may be unhappy. But is there really something to go back to? Im pretty much sure not, so... Go forward!

Sorry if its hard to understand me, my main language is spanish :)
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Rowan Rue

Hi oZma,
Firstly I'd like to say that I'm very sorry to hear you're having such a hard time, it totally sucks to feel crappy about yourself.  I've certainly been there and I know it's very hard to hear advise from anyone and take it to heart, even if you're asking for help.  Please know that I respect your right to feel any way you choose and that it isn't stupid to feel the way you do.  Your feeling are a completely valid lived experience, and just because the rest of think you're gorgeous doesn't mean you don't have a very good reason to feel down.
What I hope I can help you with is understanding why you feel the way you do in the first place because I think if we can understand how we get to where we are emotionally, it can provide us with a map to get to somewhere better.
I'm going to concentrate on two main parts here and I want you to understand that these are facts, not opinions, so if you wish to dismiss them you must also accept that you choose to live in an unhappy fantasy rather than reality.  I grant you however that many, many people choose their own fantasy rather than have their ego face the shame of having been wrong about anything ever.
So, onto the good stuf.

How we learn to be who we are
We tend to think that we are conscious agents in the story of our lives and that we go around making decisions but the truth of the matter is actually rather different at a neurological level.
Firstly we need to understand that the body, and especially the brains most favouritest thing in the whole world is Heuristics.
A Heuristic is basically a short cut and it's totally awesome, except when we later find that we're using it for something that it turns out is bad for us.
Here's how it works.
Any action we perform is triggered by a cascade of neurons firing in a specific sequence.  Change a few neuron along the chain and we'll perform basically the same action but with some slight variation.
To get to that point however, the synapses between our neurons have to reach a threshold state.
That's the point when there's enough messenger chemicals (dopamine, Acetylcholine, norepinephrine, Serotonin) floating around in the synaptic gap that if any more are added, it will trigger any other neurons that are touching that synaptic gap to fire.
An electrical impulse is then carried along those neurons to all the synaptic gaps they are connected to causing the release of more messenger chemicals into those synaptic gaps until one of them reaches it's threshold state and the chain continues.
Each time a neuron it caused to fire by it's threshold level being reached it becomes more sensitive, thus lowering the threshold limit and increasing the likelihood that it will be the first to fire the next time.
In simple tearms, anytime we perform an action it gets easier (the neural threshold is lowered) for us to perform the same action next time.  This is the biological underpinning for "Practice makes prefect".
Our sense of conscious self seems to be there to "moderate" if you will.  We do something, and then decide if it was good or bad.
If good, repeat (neurons get stronger) if bad, try a new set of neurons.

Here's where it becomes relevant to you.
We develop all our thoughts and opinions in the same way.  There is no functional difference in the brain between a neural cascade that results in say, the movement of your hand, and one that results in you thinking about whether the Dalai Lama prefers chocolate or strawberry ice cream.
Now that last though wasn't very relevant to most of our lives so we probably won't think about it again and thus the neurons associated with it won't get fired very often (except that now every time you see strawberry and cocolate ice cream together you'll probably end up thinking of the Dalai Lama  ;D )
By contrast. there are many things that we think about all the time, in fact they're so much a part of the landscape of our thoughts that often, we don't even notice that we're thinking about them!
Which brings us back to Heuristics.
Everything about the way our brain is set up is designed to make any action that we do frequently enough, happen subconciously.
That's great for allowing you to use a knife and fork to eat your dinner while holding a conversation at the same time.  It sucks when it allows you to start listing off reasons you fail art being a girl with no more effort than getting a bite of food to your mouth.
The problem is, both activities feed the brain in the same way.

Now, onto the second big influencer on how you think.

Patriarchy

I think one of the things you're experiencing right now is actually way more Cis than you realize. 
Feelings of crushing inadequacy.
Congratulations, you're just like a genetic girl.

You see, we don't really get to choose what we think about, only how we want to think about it.  But even in forming our opinions about what the world gives us to ponder, there tends to be a fairly implicit "and you should feel this way about it" tacked on.
Patriarchy basically pathologizes being female, and that opinion is handed to us every day in a whole bunch of different ways.
Those thoughts get into our heads and unless we're really paying close attention, heuristics makes sure we never need to consciously examine them.
What's worse than being a woman according to patriarchy?   Being a man who says they want to be a woman!

"OMG!"  says patriarchy, "you must be sooooo F'd up!"
"oh, and while you're at it, here's several thousand years worth of culturally ingrained reasons to feel inferior and compete with other women over things men care about."

The other thing patriarchy does, like any colonialist model, is to separate the oppressed group into more and less oppressed subgroups.
Those of us who are trans tend to be toward the bottom of those groups.
In the same way that GGs often accept the limits placed upon them by patriarchy, we have a tendency to do the same.
It's worse for us because most of us spent time living as males which often meant faking male, pro patriarchy opinions.  The big problem there is, that whole "fake it till you make it" things actually works so as women we tend to be loaded down with way more sense of inadequacy than genetic girls who at least grew up in a sisterhood of support to help fight back against those received opinions that make us feel so bad about ourselves.

So what can you do about it?

Refuse to be a victim!
Recognize that those negative thoughts you have don't reflect who you are, only what society tries to make you be.  Fight back, get some righteous anger going about the injustices you've been dealt.  Understand that your emotions are there to help you.  Even the ones we like to call "negative" are a part of your bodies beautiful system of balancing itself.
When you feel sad, don't dwell in the sadness but see it as a call to let go of thoughts and emotions that are constraining you.
When you feel angry, recognize that anger is there to help you rebuild your boundaries so that you have a safe space to be you in.
Your emotions are your friends and beloved allies, they call your attention to the wonders and the injustices of the world.
The next time you reel down, heed the call of your emotions and take action rather than surrendering to negative thoughts that aren't even yours but were just handed to us all on day one as a part of the "inadequate reality starter kit".

I hope some of that helps even just a little and remember that you are loved here.

*huggs*









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DanicaCarin

OK,

oZma, you are one of the most passable girls I've ever seen! This has to be a "perception" issue on your part! Your my role model Lady!.... No "pressure" though! >:-)

XO

Dani
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Rita

Most of our ancestors were not perfect ladies and gentlemen. The majority of them weren't even mammals.
- Robert Anton Wilson

In short, there is no perfect woman.  Cis or Trans.  If we dwell on our weaknesses we will never learn our strengths.
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