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Favorite lines by people who "just don't get it"

Started by Beth Andrea, July 28, 2012, 02:50:01 AM

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BrendanIsQueer

"You're a gay transgender? Why can't you be with a guy as the way you are as a chick?! That's f**cking stupid!"

I don't want to be a guy as a girl, because I am a boy who likes boys. Thus, I am being who I am. Like seriously, the quote from above was taken from some dumbass who tried to start something. Boy was that a good time! A few other kids who there started getting pissed at him, and yelled at him- and a kid even threatened to punch him (which as much as I wanted him to get punched, I told everyone to back off). Though it was nice to know these people were behind me, it still really hurt someone would say that to my face.  :(
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Brooke777

I was talking with someone about a woman I met. The said "is she an actual woman, or like you?"  I gave him some slack since he is my 70 year old stepfather.
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Ayden

I got a great one earlier this week from a guy I knew back in the states. "So... does that mean your husband likes manly chicks? Like, dykes? That's why you're doing this right?"

Yup. Ya caught me. That *has* be the only reasonable reason. Clearly.  ::)
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Sly

So I'm only out to a few close friends, and I pass almost all the time as a young femmy gay dude.  Even other gay guys usually can't tell... so it's always awkward when someone asks me why I don't date.  I'm sorta afraid to answer because I don't want to open the trans can of worms, so I just say I'm going through personal stuff and don't feel like I can be with anyone right now...

Phoeniks

Quote from: Cindy James on July 28, 2012, 03:21:39 AM
One of the funny things about that comment is that it was made by one of my managers, I'm his boss BTW, he also has a particular style of dealing with female employees, a sort of helpful and supportive but I'm a guy so I will help you girls get it right attitude, not particularly sexist but 'superior' . He has now started the same attitude with me, "Do you need some help filling out those documents?"  "If you like I can check what you have done". I'm finding it hilarious; acceptance by sexism :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:.

Oh my god, that really is hilarious and wicked ;D I'm confused since I'm sort of glad for the acceptance, sort of irritated about the sexism.

The first that comes to my mind was "Oh yeah, I also had those thoughts about whether I was a boy, when I had short hair... But I let it grow and haven't had problems with my womanhood since." Yeah, relating to my situation is in every way OK, but comparing that to my situation was just plain weird. :P

The other was when I was enthusiastic about having gained more muscles. One person commented that "most of us guys don't really enjoy you girls having muscles, you know..." Well thank you for the advice, honey. :-*
If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough.
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Padma

Quote from: Phoeniks on October 09, 2012, 10:31:15 AM
The other was when I was enthusiastic about having gained more muscles. One person commented that "most of us guys don't really enjoy you girls having muscles, you know..." Well thank you for the advice, honey. :-*

Yes, have you noticed how often the men that pass down the judgements on our appearance assume we all want to be wanted by men? ::) Pff...
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Violet Bloom

Quote from: Phoeniks on October 09, 2012, 10:31:15 AM
The other was when I was enthusiastic about having gained more muscles. One person commented that "most of us guys don't really enjoy you girls having muscles, you know..." Well thank you for the advice, honey. :-*

Self-sufficient or athletic women?  Yeeeeeeesssssssss! ;D

Quote from: Padma on October 09, 2012, 10:56:12 AM
Yes, have you noticed how often the men that pass down the judgements on our appearance assume we all want to be wanted by men? ::) Pff...

I barely ever wanted to associate with them at all.  I can't wait for this... ::)

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Phoeniks

Quote from: Padma on October 09, 2012, 10:56:12 AM
Yes, have you noticed how often the men that pass down the judgements on our appearance assume we all want to be wanted by men? ::) Pff...
...And in my case, wanted by men as women ;) Yea, those assumptions seem to be everywhere. Luckily, nowadays the comments feel more like a joke than anything that makes me depressed. :P
If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough.
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heartlesstruths

Quote from: Padma on July 28, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
I can't quote anything specific, but the worst I've had so far has been from a good friend who's polluted by 80's feminist conditioning - she's so full of assumptions about why I'm transitioning and what I want, it's like wading through cooked spinach*.

I'm really, really tired of hearing people "tell" me that I didn't grow up as a woman, so I didn't have the same experiences. Like I don't know that already. They always go on about the oppression, and I always counter by pointing out that from where I'm standing, growing up as a woman is a "privilege" I was denied, whilst at the same time being denied the "privilege" of growing up as a man who was accepted as such.

Honestly, why do people assume we haven't spent a lifetime thinking this through?

Okay, I'm over it now :).

*on reading this back, I realise this sounds a bit insane :). But I meant how spinach is thready, and clings to stuff when you're trying to get it off.

Oh, goodness, if I haven't heard enough about "privilege." Sadly this "80s feminist conditioning" you speak of is not at all 80s-restricted. By era nor by people born in it. It's true, from where we stand having the correct body for your sex is a privilege. Having that upbringing is a privilege. So why do we need to be so overly concerned with a society with which we've become consistently disillusioned and dissociated? Which brings me to the favorite lines...

"...male privilege." (All I'm going to say is that to say a FTM has male privilege is to say gender is entirely socially constructed. If that is true, how can there be such a thing as "gender identity"? Thank you, for dismissing my entire existence and identity.
(A similar one, is anything implying my sexual preferences are/have been socialized, especially w/ regards to specific nitpicky things like preferring women to have "curves" or breasts... lol. "I know you don't think you were indoctrinated...but..." oh really? People are indoctrinated into their sexuality? Does this mean we can change them? ???)

"Why can't you just be YOU, who cares what other people think or how you look? That won't change who YOU are..."
"Why can't you just be a lesbian?"
My parents said this stuff for several months when I first came out to them. The complete disregard for the reality that your role in society is largely determined by others' perception of you, especially with things like gender (hence the tendency for trans people to isolate and withdraw), was kind of amusing... helped to offset the frustration. :P

"Why do you have to fit a heteronormative stereotype?"
I don't. Maybe it just happens that I do...or at least appear to. But unlike gender, stereotypes are ENTIRELY socially manufactured. So I'm not really bothered by the stereotype, although I am and always have been pretty overburdened, for many reasons, by the fact I fit a "stereotype" such as this one but in all other ways was born defying social norms.... so I'm too busy to have some sort of nefarious agenda, leave me alone! :P

"Does testosterone make you stupid?"
(My mom asked this fairly recently... to which I replied, "I dunno... that depends... does estrogen make you stupid with math?")
::)

"...you're supposed to care, but you don't"/"what do you mean you don't care? This was your decision"
No, it wasn't, it was someone else's. It wasn't even my life. But somehow others' lives inherently involve mine, which I was not aware of, so please, go on....
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Kevin Peña

Well, that was a mouth-full. I completely agree that sexual orientation and bodily preferences are not socially constructed. Gender's another story by all technicalities, but I'd rather not get into that.

The most despised line I've ever heard: "You just need a girlfriend."

A girlfriend won't fix all of my problems, mom!  :eusa_wall:
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Apples Mk.II

"Maybe you are just gay".

I'm bi...

"It does not matter. Maybe you believe it but may be gay."


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Kevin Peña

Apple, I can't send or reply to PMs, but send me the link please.
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Violet Bloom

Quote from: DianaP on October 17, 2012, 04:40:49 PM
The most despised line I've ever heard: "You just need a girlfriend."

  Not out yet but have heard this line thrown at me as a fix for just about anything about me, almost literally a cure for the common cold!  Ironically I do need a girlfriend, but one that doesn't insist I need to fundamentally change myself.

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Kevin Peña

I just told her that I'd need a boyfriend after I finish school and that I would have him ravage me until the cows come home (didn't use that exact language). It shut her right up.  :laugh:
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Jayne

The lines from my mum are some of the ones that hurt the most, some of her comments were,

"Can't you just be gay?" I just rolled my eyes & told her i've tried & didn't like it, she looked uncomfortable to hear that much info, well she did raise the subject

"You'll be an ugly woman" The response I bit back was "Well it's not stopped you from having a nice life" instead I hung up.

"They may not let you do it because you've got excema" I told her that's not going to happen & ended the call as quickly as I could, I then bought a large bottle of vodka & a pack of ciggies, 2 years of quiting down the drain & 1 year later i'm still trying to give up.

She's found it hard to come to terms with so I cut her extra slack, it's not easy because she knows what will realy get under my skin (pardon the pun)

Some comments from someone close to me,

"Who does "he" think "he's" gonna fool wearing a dress" The word "he" always has added venom

"No matter what firking around they do down there you'll always be a man" said with a sneer

"I'm not using your male name i'm using your middle name" this person has never used my middle name, not in 10 years!! I've told her enough times that I hate that name because my mother used to call me nicky as a child & it was like someone pouring salt into an open wound.
Furthermore this person never called me Nicky until I changed my name, it was always nick.

The list from this person could go on for ages as she seems to try for at least one snide comment per day, luckily she's under the weather & has lost her voice for the last 3 days.
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suzifrommd

I reported on it in my blog but it bears extraction. The "therapist" that evaluated me last week told me "I don't think you've put enough thought in your decision to transition."

Is transitioning a decision? Doesn't feel that way to me. Feels like something I'm driven to because I can no longer stand the mismatch between my insides and my outsides.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: agfrommd on October 19, 2012, 08:46:52 AM
I reported on it in my blog but it bears extraction. The "therapist" that evaluated me last week told me "I don't think you've put enough thought in your decision to transition."

Is transitioning a decision? Doesn't feel that way to me. Feels like something I'm driven to because I can no longer stand the mismatch between my insides and my outsides.

My ex told me several times that I "was destroying the family with my choice to transition..."

Ummm...dear? It's not a choice...

To which she replied, "yeah, whatever."  :(
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Brooke777

I have head...a lot "you just do whatever you want to do and don't take anyone else into consideration!"

To which I reply, "it was a choice between transition and suicide. Which works better for you?"
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twit

I see transition as a choice, for some its a really easy choice or the most logical choice for them, but a choice nevertheless. Now having gender issues is not a choice, what you do about it certainly is in my book.
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Jayne

Quote from: Beth Andrea on October 19, 2012, 09:44:11 AM

To which she replied, "yeah, whatever."  :(

Does she know my ex by any chance?
If I try to make a point she disagrees with then I either hear this or get the eye roll that says the same
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