Quote from: Snowpaw on October 29, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
Agreed, we should segregate ourselves. Good point. /sarc
*sigh* I give up. Clearly common sense has gone out the window here.
Where did I say that? I would think obviously being pre/non op does limit what you can do as a -female-, which isn't the same as being a woman. I don't share with people what's in my pants, it's none of their business, unless of course I am in public naked. Then it's kinda like "OK here is what's in my pants". And like it or not, when most people see someone with a penis their first thought isn't "Oh they just have a birth defect..."
And to the poster who said "I think when entering a locker room, you should expect to see naked people." I highly doubt women going into a womens locker room expect to see someone with a penis naked in there. If that was the case, why bother even having male and female space?
On the "We can't even be considered women by our own community until we have had surgery." Who said anything like that? Of course people can be women pre-op. I'm a woman who is pre-op so how can I think you can't be? O.o Now while I'm a woman, I'm not -female- note -I still have a penis-.
So yes I am a women and I am pre-op. I don't "segregate" myself from other women. I belong to several womens groups etc and am totally accepted as one by them. But I do have enough sense to know that no pre-op can "hide it" when naked to the point no one will know. And that women don't expect to see a penis in the womens shower/locker room.
I mean seriously, this is going to ruin your life to not have full access to every last womens space until you have a female body? No one even said you can't be in there, just like maybe wear some underwear if you plan to change clothes or wait till you get home to take a shower. I've been in womens locker rooms when working an event at the YMCA and had no issues, I didn't take all my clothes off either. I think my womanhood can survive not experiencing being in a womens shower or being in a womens locker room totally naked.
And so now we must force ourselves into this space and have anyone who doesn't like it told to leave?? That to me just sounds like male privilege rearing it's ugly head...
I'm not going to even go into why being transgendered isn't "a defect".
To the original post, it doesn't say how they knew this person was trans or how they knew they were pre-op. That would make a difference to me on if these woman had any right to be this upset..
