Quote from: Darrin Scott on November 03, 2012, 10:37:05 PM
So I was browsing tumblr and see there is something called "truscum" which is basically transmen who reject the idea that being trans is an identity and that it is strictly a medical condition that needs to be taken care of.

"trans identity" is a social construct, and as such only valid to those who need to  believe in it.

The emerging neuro-biological data indicates that GID is a biological and hormonal condition in which the innate perception of ones gender, which resides in specific brain centers, is not in rhyme with external genitalia or assigned sex.

I am a guy with a medical condition which is part of my identity.

Quote from: peky on November 04, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
"trans identity" is a social construct, and as such only valid to those who need to  believe in it.

The emerging neuro-biological data indicates that GID is a biological and hormonal condition in which the innate perception of ones gender, which resides in specific brain centers, is not in rhyme with external genitalia or assigned sex.

All the structures of my brain that give me my female identity are pretty normal and no different to those of any woman.

My problem is that my external genitals do not match my "gender identity"

I'm a man with a medical condition.

scenario: It is the future and you are pre-transition. Medical science diagnoses you with GID. Insurance determines it is cheaper to use a new psychiatric medication to fix your brain instead of treating your body.

You can take a pill and wake up loving your body as it is. Do make that choice?

Or do you acknowledge your identity, pay for surgery and take hormones to validate it?

What if the choice is not yours to make due to age or some other reason?

Relying on external confirmation to diagnosis a medical condition tied to self identity can always lead to denying someone's individual right to be the person they need to be to pursue maximum happiness.

Edit: I feel compelled to clarify it is indeed a medical condition.  The issue is why does this mean it cannot also be seen as an identity that has value?

Quote from: spacerace on November 04, 2012, 07:50:19 PM
scenario: It is the future and you are pre-transition. Medical science diagnoses you with GID. Insurance determines it is cheaper to use a new psychiatric medication to fix your brain instead of treating your body.

You can take a pill and wake up loving your body as it is. Do make that choice?

Or do you acknowledge your identity, pay for surgery and take hormones to validate it?

What if the choice is not yours to make due to age or some other reason?

Relying on external confirmation to diagnosis a medical condition tied to self identity can always lead to denying someone's individual right to be the person they need to be to pursue maximum happiness.

Edit: I feel compelled to clarify it is indeed a medical condition.  The issue is why does this mean it cannot also be seen as an identity that has value?

I would go for fixing the body every time.  Gender is a fundamental part of who we are, even for cis people even if they don't realise it, and changing such a major part of someone would be terrifying.  I would imagine being like going from hating something to loving it suddenly, but a thousand times more confusing and terrifying.  Even if it was the only option available to me for some reason I would choose not to take it.

The fault is with the body and not the brain, so the thought of trying to change the brain, even if hypothetical terrifies me.

medical condition only. i am inter sex my brain formed like that of a man making me identify as male i cant change my brain to match my body so i will change my body to match my brain.

My body has birth defects, not my brain.

So I don't see the point in fixing something that is not broken.

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But what works for some, might not work for others.
So if the pill is your treatment of choice. All the power to you.

I would never take the pill. I would keep my identity.  It's tied to my sense of self. 

Calling it an identity doesn't negate it as a medical condition.   So why draw lines in the sand and try to divide who is trans enough and who isn't?

Quote from: spacerace on November 04, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
I would never take the pill. I would keep my identity.  It's tied to my sense of self. 

i agree

I hadnt heard of this, probably since I only use tumblr to look at funny pictures I see it as a medical condition and I just want to fix it as soon as possible.

I'm a dude with an unfortunate birth defect/medical condition. I would take the pill to be normal if I could. I didn't choose to be trans or identify as male, but that's how things worked out for me. The best I can do is treat my condition with surgery and HRT and therapy to deal with the stress of it all.

EDIT: I also don't know how I feel about people who "identify" as trans as opposed to just are. I can understand how gender can become part of one's identity, much like a cultural background or religion or your interests. The only issue I take is with people who insist I must "identify" as male, and that I am oppressing others or sick and wrong for viewing my problem as a birth defect that needs fixing. I try to avoid the argument altogether, but it becomes difficult when people jump down your throat often. I don't go to support groups in my area because everyone is in the "identity" crowd and they shame trans men and women who partake in lower surgery to help ease their dysphoria. I remember one time, they took pictures of lower surgery off the internet and mocked them, and told an older member of the group(a trans woman) that she was mutilating herself and encouraging the binary by having lower surgery. She left in tears and I left with her because I was offended by their attitudes.

So I guess if you're the type of trans person who wants to push their ideas about transition onto me and mock the decisions I make about my health, I don't like you and I don't want to associate with you. If you don't push your issues on me and treat me like a fellow human being, I could care less and don't have a problem with you.

100% birth defect.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how people can take so much pride in identifying as trans or "trans*" when there are so many people suffering from a debilitating medical condition.

For me its both.
I say gender-identety myself but I also talk about it as a medical condition. I decribe my surgery as being nessesarry and my homones as medicin.

I think identety fits better when we shall speak for all transgenders and the many diffrent varintations cause its sure not all transgender people has issues who can or would be needed medical threatment.
for transexuals in almost all caise feel a need to do threatment, but not everyone dose so that alone could be seen as a medical condition and is done in certain countrys.

Personally I identify trans cause its something who means alot to me for everyday life.
I also identify as other things, such as my nation and areas, my certain hobbies, like an artist, or a writter, and so on, its a part of me like being trans is. 
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I bet people who lives a rather normal life would not identify as strickly as people who gain more trouble for being trans, or who puts more efford into it, by aktivism, or comunetys.
and so but we are also all diffrent.

One thing I yet find troublesome is when people go on being "not trans" and putting other trans people down who identify with the label, or who are more gender-bendering than they are.
I honestly feel that is foolish. saying your not trans dosent make you less trans than anybody ells.

Quote from: AJ on November 05, 2012, 08:44:44 AM
100% birth defect.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how people can take so much pride in identifying as trans or "trans*" when there are so many people suffering from a debilitating medical condition.

From what I can tell...what has been said by others here is that they would rather change their body to suit their mind rather than change who they are to suit their body...

It's sort of like someone who is very empathetic/feminine being told that they can't be because they are supposed to be a man; whereas they have two options...

1) become a jerk (change their personality to suit their sex, and become stereotyped)

2) become more feminine (change their body to match their personality)

It's like killing a part of yourself to please the world vs. being yourself and trying to fit into the world.

Quote from: AJ on November 05, 2012, 08:44:44 AM
100% birth defect.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how people can take so much pride in identifying as trans or "trans*" when there are so many people suffering from a debilitating medical condition.

what is the diffrence between trans or trans*?

being trans would usunally make you more likeable to help other transpeople for the treatment matter if thats what you refern to.

Quote from: Natkat on November 05, 2012, 12:01:59 PM
what is the diffrence between trans or trans*?

As far as I understand it the asterix (trans*) makes it include everyone that falls under the transgender catergory (like bi-gender and genderqueer people), not just trans men and women.  People use it because to some people "trans" just means trans men and trans women.

I can't really see how someone can identify as trans* because the purpose of the asterix is to include several gender variations and people aren't all of them at once... being genderfluid and agender at the same time would a bit of a paradox.  People normally just say "I'm XXX, I'm genderqueer" though, so I've never actually heard anyone ID as trans*.

well I beet you could identify trans* as not really label yourself too much in which kind.

I personal see myself as transexual, but I also feel rather gender-queer or genderfluent at times and I prefern my comunety to be of mixed kinds rather than only transexuals. im not all of them but I can relate to a couple of them and try to be flexible. Sometimes transexual alone wouldnt fit me as some transexuals groups are rather gender-normative, and I dont feel like that. dont know if this make sense.

Quote from: Keira on November 05, 2012, 10:49:12 AM
From what I can tell...what has been said by others here is that they would rather change their body to suit their mind rather than change who they are to suit their body...

It's sort of like someone who is very empathetic/feminine being told that they can't be because they are supposed to be a man; whereas they have two options...

1) become a jerk (change their personality to suit their sex, and become stereotyped)

2) become more feminine (change their body to match their personality)

It's like killing a part of yourself to please the world vs. being yourself and trying to fit into the world.

I'm sorry, but since when does being male automatically mean jerk? There are plenty of regular masculine guys who don't act like jerks and act pretty honorably.

Quote from: Jayr on November 04, 2012, 08:50:22 PM
My body has birth defects, not my brain.

So I don't see the point in fixing something that is not broken.

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But what works for some, might not work for others.
So if the pill is your treatment of choice. All the power to you.

technically isn't the very definition of GID something that's in your brain? And physical treatments exist now because that is the best way to treat GID...