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Some questions for all you gals who transitioned while married

Started by monica.soto, November 20, 2012, 08:14:58 AM

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monica.soto

I saw this piece on dear prudence today about a supportive wife married to someone undergoing transition and how it's making her feel.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/11/dear_prudence_do_i_have_to_stay_with_my_transgender_husband.html

Just reading this made my mind wonder about all the things I could do. but honestly, I don't know what to do, mostly I've been able to manage my feelings but Lately my dysphoria has been growing stronger, and sometimes I feel I'm about to burst from the constant sadness I feel inside about not being able to live my life like the woman I am.

I know some of you have been in my shoes (ugly male shoes) and proceeded with your transition.

Was it worth it? How did things end up for you? are you still together? Are you still on friendly terms with your spouse? do you still see your children?

Anyhow, I'd love to hear from any of you girls, maybe just talking about the consequences of our actions might help me make sense of the confusion going on in my head.

hugs and take care!
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Brooke777

I waited to transition till the pain was so strong I only had two choices. Suicide or transition. My Son's Mother is a very conservative woman. Needless to say she did not take me being trans very well. For the first few months she hated me, and almost drove me to suicide again. Eventually she calmed down. Our marriage is emotionally over. We are still legally married because she cannot support herself. Once she completes school we will divorce. In the meantime we are working very hard at being friends. She is basically getting to know me all over again, so it is taking a lot of time. But, this is a very important matter for our son. He and I have such an amazing relationship that his mother and I really need to get along.  Once we divorce we are planning on splitting custody 50/50 (although my son said he would rather just spend all his time with me). For me, this is so worth it. I would gladly give up everything except my son to transition. I am finally happy, and I am not even full time yet.
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monica.soto

Thanks Brooke!

Do you mind me asking, How long did your marriage last and how old is your child?

If you think my question is too personal,  I'll understand you not answering.
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Brooke777

Not even close to too personal.  In February we will have been married for 10 years. Come Friday we will have been together for 10 years.  My son is 6 years old, and the cutest little guy in the world!
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monica.soto

oh wow! I'm so happy/jealous for you Brooke!

I hadn't even considered this, but did transition affect your work/employment options as well?
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suzifrommd

I am in the earliest stages of transition, so don't know if this will be applicable but I'll post anyway just in case it helps.

My wife of 20 years was initially horrified at the thought of a husband transitioning (in the abstract before we thought it was a possibility for us). Now she alternates between being supportive and uncomfortable. Not clear if we will stay together in the long term but she seems comfortable enough with the time being. Of course I'm nowhere near full time (every other weekend, pretty much).

However, I'm really dead set against the Dear Prudence response. I don't feel like I'm being reborn as a new person. I never hid the female parts of my personality. I'm still the same person she married, though I'm allowing myself to act and appear female and changing my body (if I can get hormones going...)

We have two teenage kids. I work at the school they attend (seemed like a good idea at the time), and I promised my wife I won't transition at work until our son graduates this June. She's worried what it will do to our daughter but to her credit she 100% understands that this is something I have to do.

Good luck Monica. 
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Brooke777

Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 09:04:58 AM
oh wow! I'm so happy/jealous for you Brooke!

I hadn't even considered this, but did transition affect your work/employment options as well?

I don't completely know yet. My boss and HR know and they don't care. Come December 4th, I will know how everyone else feels. On the 4th, HR and management will be holding a meeting to educate the other people in my department on what it means to be transsexual, and then inform them that I am transsexual, what name to use, what pronouns to use, and that no discrimination will be tolerated. I have even helped HR develop a hand out with information and dos/dont's on it. 

BTW, if you want to get into personal questions feel free to pm me  ;D
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Beverly

OK - here is my 2p worth... I am still married and have been for over 20 years and we are determined to stay together simply because we still love each other and our teenage kids want us to stay together.

Quote from: agfrommd on November 20, 2012, 09:08:56 AM
However, I'm really dead set against the Dear Prudence response. I don't feel like I'm being reborn as a new person.

I agree with you. Prudence's response is, at best, weak. I am not dead, I am still here but I am changing my social role and how I present to the world. By Prudence's criteria any man who suffers gynecomastia should be divorced.
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Brooke777

Quote from: bev2 on November 20, 2012, 09:21:10 AM
I agree with you. Prudence's response is, at best, weak. I am not dead, I am still here but I am changing my social role and how I present to the world. By Prudence's criteria any man who suffers gynecomastia should be divorced.

I agree, I am not dead either. But, my Son's Mother did go through a grieving process. She does consider her husband to be dead. She considers her friend to be alive. It's like she split me in two and killed off part of me. It is a really painful thing to have someone kill half of you.
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monica.soto

Thanks for your reply, Agfrommd and Bev2!

Seeing my original post, I forgot to add that the dear prudence response is relevant to me, because I've known this about me since forever (one of my earliest memories is putting on my grandmother's bra) and never once have I discussed this with my wife, or any lliving being face to face. (Besides being caught dressing up by my mom when i was in my early teens, I've only once discussed this side of me with my therapist, but I was in my early twenties, and that seems a lifetime ago).

Anyhow, to make my situation even more dire, my profession (architecture) was hardly hit by the 2008 recession, and have only been recently employeed full time up to since last year (with a big paycut), and going through all we've gone through I feel I shouldn't couldn't let her down in this way.

Agfrommdd, I sincerely hope everything goes well for you and thank you again for sharing.

Bev2, I wish that whatever I decide to do, I'll be as lucky as you are.
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blueconstancy

Do you also want to hear from spouses? (Serious question; I won't barge in if you'd rather not.)
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monica.soto

yeah, I don't want to be considered dead yet!  ;)

Anyhow, grieving is a natural process when the nature of your relationship with another person whom you love or care changes dramatically, so while I don't agree literally 100% with what prudence wrote, I still get what she's trying to say.
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monica.soto

Quote from: blueconstancy on November 20, 2012, 09:29:50 AM
Do you also want to hear from spouses? (Serious question; I won't barge in if you'd rather not.)

Yes please, blueconstancy!

I think it would be very helpful
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Catherine Sarah

Hi Monica,

I'll have to get my reading glasses on and I may comment on the article. In the meantime, I'll answer your questions

Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 08:14:58 AM
Was it worth it?

Unequivocally, absolutely: YES!!!


Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 08:14:58 AM
How did things end up for you? are you still together?
No. We are separated, pending divorce. It was the only responsible thing to do. Attempting to live together would have been a massive compromise and lie for both of us.

Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 08:14:58 AMAre you still on friendly terms with your spouse?
Extremely. The friendship that is emerging from this whole ordeal is absolutely awe inspiring. The grace and dignity demonstrated by my ex-wife, is stuff that Nobel Peace Prises are made of.

Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 08:14:58 AMdo you still see your children?

Absolutely. Albeit they had already left home to seek their own fortunes. Only my youngest son (22yo) struggles with it.

And to hedge my bets on your other post
Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 08:54:48 AM
How long did your marriage last and how old is your child?

Celebrated our 31st wedding anniversary last January. Been together 33 years. Known each other 40 years.

Children are boy, girl, boy. 27, 25 & 22.

I don't know if its useful or not, but a timeline to the final scenario. 15 months ago my wife became suspicious something was happening to me. 11 months ago, I went on HRT without her knowledge. Suspicion escalated. 7 months ago I came out. 3 months ago we separated. Your milage may vary.

Keep the questions coming, girl. You've a way to travel yet.

Huggs
Catherine




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monica.soto

Thank you so much Catherine! your answer has been very helpful.

My head is spinning, my heart wants this so bad, but my head is demanding caution.

:-\
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Brooke777

Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
Thank you so much Catherine! your answer has been very helpful.

My head is spinning, my heart wants this so bad, but my head is demanding caution.

:-\

I think the cautious route is a good way to go. That lets you keep moving forward without as high of a likely hood of totally hurting others.
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Catherine Sarah

Hi Monica,
Once again.
Quote from: monica.soto on November 20, 2012, 09:26:54 AM
and going through all we've gone through I feel I shouldn't couldn't let her down in this way.

Been there too. Yes it's a nice egalitarian thought. Yet, are you prepared to live a totally compromised life for the rest of your natural? Which by the way will become increasingly more evident in your body language alone. Let alone your thinking and outlook on life. Your wife is no fool, and a genuine woman to boot. She'll be able to sense this, 50 miles away.

I certainly don't advocate separation and or divorce. What I do promote is a complete freedom for all to live the life they were destined to live. Without the life long oppression of depression, anxiety, compromise, shame and guilt that comes with this lifestyle.

Sorry to be quite blunt, however I see no value in trying to gloss some that can't be glossed. In the majority of cases, it's the natural progression. As Brooke said, it got to a point of either transition or suicide.

Love
Catherine




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AngieT

Next year will mark my 20th wedding anniversary, with 10 of those years surviving as "him" and 10 years living as me.

Transition, in my opinion, is about change and adjustment, but we're NOT alone in transitioning.  Anyone remaining in our lives goes through an adjustment process as well, and if we want to keep them in our lives, we need to focus on making their journey as easy as possible, even if it's at our own expense.  As we transition, many focus on issues regarding looks, clothes, voice training, etc., and largely overlook the very important issue of spouse/family.  Communication is extremely vital in making this work, as is ensuring that we're able to answer their questions and willing to adjust our timetables if required. 

Making a relationship work can be a daunting task as we transition, but we must realize that with a 50% divorce rate, we're not alone in our struggles.  Most people face challenges in making their marriages work, we simply have more hurdles to jump along the way.  If you're married, knowing your spouse is of extreme importance, as is keeping them happy and maintaining open and honest communications so you can address their concerns before things spiral out of control. 

Admittedly, my situation was slightly different because I was born IS and intercourse wasn't a huge part of our relationship, however keeping your spouse "satisfied" may help to stave off sex related frustrations. 

Other things I did that helped to strengthen our relationship:

1.  Consider adopting some of her hobbies.  My spouse really enjoyed playing online MMO games, while I preferred first person shooters.  I ended up switching game types to play with her, and we now spend a lot of time TOGETHER, even if only in the game(s). 

2.  My spouse is meticulous about her nails.  Dare I call her obsessed with them.  When I began transition, one of the first things we did together was learn how to do acrylic nails, using each other as guinea pigs.  Eventually I also learned to do gel nails, and I make sure that her nails always look awesome.

3.  Music is a big part of our lives, and playing in the house pretty much all the time.  I adopted her choice of music.  I didn't give up on my old style, I simply expanded what I listened to and played my preferences while alone.

4.  Related to the above, prior to transition, there were many times when I'd walk into the kitchen and she would be "dancing" to the music playing.  I used to roll my eyes, laugh and walk away, but now I simply join in.  A few seconds of dancing can be fun, we laugh, smile have a good time.  Isn't that what it's all about?

5.  One of her biggest fears was me being able to "pass" in public, so we regularly went out so that she could see that her fears were unwarranted.

6.  She loves to travel and explore, so I made it happen.  Sometimes it was a weeklong trip to Europe or Asia, and other times it was a simple weekender to Las Vegas, but we indulged. We've since been to all 50 states, 18 countries, and have experienced New Years Eve in Times Square, Mardi Gras in New Orleans, Carnival in Rio, seen the pyramids in Egypt, the glaciers of Alaska, and tanned on the beaches in Tahiti, Hawaii, and several small islands dotting the Caribbean. 

On our 15th anniversary we flew to Hawaii, and renewed our wedding vows.  We bought new matching wedding sets, hired someone to do the ceremony, and exchanged them in a beachfront ceremony.  It was awesome and unforgettable. 

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We've lived a wonderful life together, and love each other regardless of physical characteristics.

Some will contend that sex is extremely important, while I'd contend that sex is but a small fraction of our life and can be overcome by other of life's pleasures.



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monica.soto

Brooke,

I'm going to take you on on your PM offer. Thank you very much!
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blueconstancy

Happy to chime in, then! First, I will agree that I think Prudence's response is unhelpful at best and bordering on transphobic at worst, because it suggests that the trans woman in the story is a) a liar (knew all along and withheld the information) and b) about to become a totally different person (which is true in some cases but not others). Not to mention that three months is too freakin' early to know how anybody feels about anything, assuming for the sake of argument that it's not a strictly orientation thing (that the letter writer isn't totally straight and cannot bend her attraction towards a woman, which is one of those "it's awful, but neither side can change a fundamental part of themselves for the other" dealbreakers).

Three months in, I was hopelessly depressed and suicidal, and my wife was even more miserable at having made me suffer.

By a year, I was happier with her than I've ever been, our marriage was even stronger than before, and we were certain we could make this work. In fact, the turning point was when I broke down crying in our therapist's office and said the thing that hurt most was to imagine losing her, and the therapist said "That says something, don't you think? You don't HAVE to get divorced." It was the first time anyone had said it was *possible* for a marriage to survive. So once I knew that, the remainder was a tremendous amount of hard work and adjustment, especially in the initial period of nearly constant change, but it got easier as time went on. I am bisexual, which I think made us both assume at the beginning that it would be "easy," but in reality watching a lot of the familiar little things about her disappear was hurtful and scary at first. Nevertheless, she absolutely is the same person now, just in different packaging and with a greater contentment about her life.

Now I tell people, sort of like Prudence did but without her judgmental follow-up, that it's like any other major change in a marriage - having kids breaks up some couples, too, and so does a major career change or someone's mother-in-law moving in. Treating transition like a special category in which the spouse gets a "get out of working on the relationship free" card does a disservice to both parties. With that said, it's also important for the trans person to acknowledge and respect their partner's feelings; the main reason we stayed together, I'm convinced, is that my wife listened to me and did her best to care about my reactions at every step of the process.

As for the biographical info, we met when we were 15, got engaged at 19, married at 22. Then she decided to transition when she was 31, which was a bit of a shock, I admit. But I never felt like she'd "deceived" me or anything, because the clues were there for both of us all along, and we missed them equally. She started transition in June 2009, hormones in February 2010, and was basically finished transitioning by June 2010, although name and legal gender marker change had to wait until January 2011 for unrelated reasons. It was a hell of a ride, and we're both glad to be off of the initial roller-coaster, but we are definitely still together and still romantically (and, yes, sexually) involved.

If I had any advice for you, it would be to give her time, listen to her, commit to working on your relationship to the extent that you can control... and don't automatically assume that whatever shocked things she says at first are a permanent reality. (Not me, but I know several wives who blurted out things in horror that they kicked themselves for years later.) Well, and this part is none of my business, but no one I know who postponed or refused transition for the sake of a spouse ended up being happy they did, and several lost their marriages anyway because of the incapacitating misery it ultimately caused them not to transition. Remind yourself regularly that this is not something you're doing "to" her, it's something you need to survive or to be happy - and a loving spouse wants you to be happy! - do your best to be a terrific wife to her, and try not to feel guilty. Good luck.
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