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Am I outdated? Or is there just so much contention?

Started by padfoots666, November 21, 2012, 06:54:56 AM

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geoangelcandybutch

Jay J: You can just call me Geo Angel, or Geo, or Angel :P

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About the term transsexual: that's usually what it means "to make one's body match their gender". However, I have a hard time with that termalogy (I can't spell) because I'm not a fan of calling bodies "biologically female/male", which to me is what "to make one's body match their gender" is kind of saying. I could get into it more, but eh.

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QuoteBlueSloth Maybe I should call myself transgenderqueer, in case we're not confused enough already

I like that because then there are people that'll realize that it IS being trans*.

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I've tried to do the insert quotes thing that's on the page where you write replies but they never actually show up in the box, so I'm sorry that this is all over the place and I hope things I've said makes sense.
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eli77

Quote from: geoangelcandybutch on November 25, 2012, 07:15:48 AM
I don't like the term transsexual either (but I mean if other folks want to refer to themselves at that, I'm not saying it's wrong to) because it puts so much focus on the BODY and so much focus on the medical transition aspect of being trans*.

That's exactly why I use it. The focus of my transition was medical. I altered my body to fix the dysphoria. That's all there is for me. Other than my general hostility towards gender.

I say I'm a non-binary transsexual AMAB female if I need to be desperately specific for some reason. But just "trans" works.
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aleon515

Quote from: BlueSloth on November 26, 2012, 02:33:46 AM
Ok... so...  that means....  umm..  *thinks for a while*  ...the body you feel you should have had doesn't match your gender, and that's why you're not transsexual?

I think my body should have been intersex.  I'm not having SRS, but HRT is a possibility.  Am I transsexual?  Anybody know?

I think I'm genderqueer because I'm non-binary, and I think I'm transgender because.... well, even if I don't count as transsexual, I'm certainly trans*.  I think if I was intersex I wouldn't be trans*... unless I wore distinctly male or female clothes, in which case I'd be transgender, because transgender includes crossdressing, right?  I guess I'd still be genderqueer, because my gender would be the same...

Umm..

Maybe I should call myself transgenderqueer, in case we're not confused enough already :D

Transsexual probably fits me. I just hate the term. Focus is wrong, at least it is for me (and I can understand why it might just work for someone else as Sarah7 points out).

Transgenderqueer. Yikes too long.

I like trans. Sort and sweet.

@Laura-- Just like the title "to serve man".


--Jay J
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FullThrottleMalehem

I also thought transgender and transexual were two different things. I always thought of transgender as someone who was born one physical sex but has the mind of another sex, and transexual was someone who has had SR surgery to reflect their proper gender. These are usually the definitions I hear though, and so I was surprised to see them used in other ways here. I definitely see gender queer as being different than any form of trans, but I'm not the definition police, that's just my own view.
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Silvermist

People can call themselves whatever they want, but if we don't have consistent definitions of terms to use in our communication, then it doesn't help or may hurt all of us in the long run. The vast majority of cisgender people, even those who are sympathetic to us, have extremely simplistic understandings of our issues as it is. Introducing confusion is a barrier to acceptance, not an enabler of it.

First of all, "trans" is not a word. It's prefix. And by itself, it doesn't mean anything specifically in regards to gender identity issues. "Trans*" is also not a word; it looks more like a logo or brand name. I don't understand the people who insist that "transgender" refers to a concept that's separate from "transsexual," "androgyne," "genderqueer," "third gender," "cross-dresser," "->-bleeped-<-," etc. "Transgender" works as an umbrella term because it doesn't have a strong definition on its own.

"Gender-variant" and "transgender" do not mean the same thing. "Gender-variant" might have very little to do with being transgender. We can all agree that gender largely consists of a package of conventions. But let's look at the word "variant" or "variance." It doesn't mean "being something that's completely different;" it means "having differences without going outside of boundaries." A gender-variant person is someone who has traits or behaviors that are outside of the conventions of that person's gender-assigned-at-birth but does not otherwise identify as being a different gender. She or he believes that gender should be defined more broadly and be more inclusive of others who are different, like herself or himself. An example would be a tomboy. Most tomboys don't think of themselves as androgynous or FTMs; they think that men shouldn't have a monopoly on certain behaviors, interests, fashions, etc., and that being butch doesn't make them any less female.

Being transgender means breaking gender boundaries. If you're a cross-dresser or ->-bleeped-<-, then you accept that what you do crosses gender boundaries, but you don't think that "femininity" or "masculinity" or "women" or "men" should be defined more broadly or differently. It's a largely compartmentalized part of your life that doesn't give you crises about your gender identity (other than any guilt caused by disapproval from other people or society's ideas about gender expression). If you're an androgyne or genderqueer or third-gender, then you reject the boundaries implied by the gender binary and instead identify as both or neither (although that's not exactly accurate, since "both" and "neither" imply a certain acceptance of the binary). If you're a transsexual, then your body is the boundary, or it's a boundary on top of other gender boundaries, that must be crossed. This doesn't mean that you have to do a full transition with SRS, but it does mean that your body is a fundamental part of your dysphoria. Some people feel that none of these labels apply to them, but "transgender" still seems right, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean that those labels don't fall under the "transgender" umbrella.

None of those alternative gender identities is mutually exclusive from the others. I personally identify as transgender (using it as an umbrella term), transsexual, and also androgyne with a hint of bigender. For the sake of simplicity, I prefer the phrase "gender fluid." I'm also somewhere between bisexual and pansexual, but that's another story...


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padfoots666

Thanks to everyone for their inputs and thank you ydgmdlu for your well formed and explained piece.

I agree with ydgmdlu that our definitions need to be consistent.

Maybe the definitions just aren't quite there yet to be able to deal with everyone's different identities. That's why there's confusion and inconsistencies. Maybe. I don't know. I'm in the Philippines so it's a little backwards here compared to where most of you guys are from. Most people still don't get the difference between lesbian and transgender. Really. Maybe 40% of people I've explained it to do get it but the rest don't.
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Shadowneya

I have always been told by certain Transsexuals that to be a transsexual one must go through reassignment surgery... that a transsexual is not inherently a transgender... some even say that transsexuals are better... than us...

I was however taught that A transsexual is a person willing to go to any length for their happiness... and that transgender is an umbrella term for those who do not identify with their birth gender... (ironically this includes transsexuals... to a point)

However when I was creating a sign for my Center's wall I was approached by a pair of transsexuals that wanted the Transgender Day of Remembrance changed to Transgender and Transsexual Day of Remembrance...

It made me cry that while on this day.... this day we should be standing together they wanted to pull us apart.... I define myself as a Transsexual by my own definition... but I also count myself a transgender as I cannot yet afford to do what I would kill for....
I am who I am... I am broken... I cannot be fixed... But I can accept who I am... Alone...
http://unisiterium.blogspot.com/2012/08/alone-again.html
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