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Question about tria laser!

Started by muffinpants, December 01, 2012, 06:43:46 PM

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muffinpants

Now I know that I am probably silly and this tria probably won't end up working, but it was an impulse buy for my gf on cyber monday when it was $100 off.. and if we don't see any effects we can get our money back within 90 days! So it seemed like it was worth a shot. It just arrived today and we've tried some test patches, but we were wondering how often you can/should use the tria? I've googled it and I can't seem to find anything. I know the recommended treatment time is every 2 weeks for up to 6 months... but what would happen if we use it more often? Nothing? Would it maybe work better? Idk! Any advice would be welcome!! Thanks!
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Cindy

The laser that you can buy for self use are so low powered that they will have little effect. That said some woman with sparse hair and perfect follicle to skin colour ratio can get an effect.

If you are  woman with more masculine hair loads it is unlikely to do much.

As for frequency. Hair growth is cyclic and the cycle is about 6-8 weeks. So you get lasered and go back after 6 weeks for the next session to hit the next wave. Going more frequently is a waste. It also takes several days for the zapped hairs to go. It isn't instantaneous. Laser kills the follicle that produces the hair, not the hair itself. So it takes time for the existing hair to be shed, and then the follicle to stop growing a hair. Which is why BTW you shave before laser. You want the laser to work on the follicle not on the hair.

Each cycle wave gets less hair if the treatment is successful. Laser treatment is more successful if you are on HRT at the same time. Most woman with masculine hair growth require high powered lasers and not the low powered ones in most beautician places. You will generally get more value for money at specialised hair removal clinics, if you can find a place that treats woman who suffer from POCS, as they tend to be run my medically qualified staff and are very understanding.



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Kgirl

Quote from: Cindy James on December 02, 2012, 01:33:13 AM
It also takes several days for the zapped hairs to go. It isn't instantaneous.

To expand on this, after my first session (with a commercial laser) I didn't see reduction at all until 3 weeks later, and I have a face full of dense, coarse, facial hair. I also have fair skin and very dark hair.
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muffinpants

well as an update, she has used it maybe 4 times so far, and idk if I'm lying to myself, but I swear, I think I see a reduction!! We've got pictures, so maybe in a few months I'll post some of her before and after pics to see if there is any difference.
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smooth

The tria is a piece of junk!

Most hair removal works better if you're on HRT. Reason being, the HRT is playing a big part in reducing the hair all on it's own, certainly where body hair is concerned.

HRT won't work the same on hair for everybody, some people experience very little reduction if any....

Any and All lasers need coarse dark hair to work. An honest laser practitioner will tell you this but it's not good for business. Beard hair is coarse, some body hair, pubic and underarm can be coarse, not everyones is. Chest and back hair generally isn't coarse enough neither is leg or arm hair, there are exceptions.

Where a person is using more than one method or means to remove hair (because that's what's being discussed) It is virtually impossible to accurately attribute success to exactly the means or method that is doing the work (removing the hair). ie laser whilst on HRT.... If someone is throwing money at hair removal they are obviously going to attribute any success towards that method. Everybody likes to think they are getting bang for their buck. Bear this in mind when you're taking peoples opinions into account...

I did experience a degree of success with professional laser treatment for my facial hair. My last treatments were at full power, I asked but they wouldn't turn the machine up any higher. In some ways laser is it's own worst enemy and here's why. Normally early treatments are at lower power settings in order that skin reaction can be assessed and client tolerance can be built up. At lower levels the hairs won't be zapped enough to kill them completely. Some of them will be stunned into a period of dormancy after which they will start growing again. Other hairs will end up finer (no longer coarse) or without pigment (no longer dark enough) or both. In short the early treatments can render some hairs unsuitable for later treatments where higher energy might have had a better effect. Very catch 22.

Back to the the tria: At full power this unit might well reduce you're chances of success with a professional laser because it might, at best or worst depending on your standpoint render your present hair situation (if only in part) unsuitable. That is, any dark coarse hair may end up finer or lighter and therefore unsuitable for laser....

We're all impatient to get rid of unwanted hair but some short cuts will prove costly in terms of finance and time and ultimately success.

I'm on a roll now so here's some other things to consider  :) I will add that I'm very biased towards electrolysis.

Some people will say that they are finished and clear but they still go in for top ups???

Some people will say they are finished and clear but they still have some lighter finer growth but no shadow??? This is obviously ok for some but it is misleading. Having no shadow any more is enough for some but it isn't "clear" and it's a situation that will require some maintenance to stop it becoming obvious. Especially on a bright day when viewed from the side, it's not a good look.

A "clear" result is a smooth face NO more hair apart from.... peach fuzz which is typical for a lot of women. Peach fuzz can be removed with electrolysis if you so desire, it cannot be removed with laser.

Over time as we age  :( perhaps as we decrease our HRT NEW follicles may come to life producing NEW hairs. This effect is common amongst menopausal women. As their oestrogen drops off and the body tries to strike a balance, testosterone can effect follicles and turn hair production on. NEW follicles can be spurred into life, this isn't regrowth. This can be managed with electrolysis without the risk of firing up additional adjacent follicles. This cannot be done with laser which isn't as precise (pinpoint accurate if you like).

Where success stories are being claimed please allow time (at least a few months, ideally way more) before you excitedly stand up and say "It's worked, I'm clear" I've no doubt there are degrees of success with laser maybe even "complete clearance" but I'm skeptical based on both my own experience and that of others ( away from Susans, apart from transgender and fairly well spread between people from all walks of life). If you've posted before saying "it's worked" please for the sake of others perhaps re-visit your post and update, be specific and keep everyone up to date.

Hair removal is something I've been experiencing and studying for a few years now and it's an absolute F**king nightmare, make no mistake. It's a world full of BS and unfounded opinion and bias. It's been a real struggle staying motivated and wanting to become part of the hair removal world because it's a world of deceit and lies. Some of it is innocent and happens simply because people are poorly trained and poorly informed. They do bad work, give bum information and create bad customer experience because they don't know any differently.  ("and why is your opinion any different" I can hear you thinking ;))
It bugs the pooh outa me when I read some of the crap that abounds on the web, in magazines, in beauty industry trade literature etc etc. I'm just trying to help a few here people here that I can associate with....

By the way in case you're interested here's a link to a youtube clip where you can watch someone who is without doubt, Top of the game. I can't say enough good things about this lady, she is in a league all of her own. When I first saw her work I almost gave up because I know in my heart of hearts that I will never be this good. I doubt vey few practitioners are....

If it's possible for you to get to Spain for treatment feel free to get in touch and I'll give you her contact details. She is very busy though and you will see why. This lady will have your beard removed faster than anyone, less hours being treated and with long block treatments as few as 3 visits....



By the way if she asks how you heard about her say Darren put you in touch  :)



see you on the beach....
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muffinpants

Thank you so much for the information, smooth. Fortunately for my gf, she has particularly dark hair and light skin, so we are keeping our fingers crossed. She isn't on hormones yet, she'll start hopefully by the end of this month! Here is a current picture that I took just now, it's been a couple of days since shaving.




She's not very hairy to begin with, no body hair on chest/back and it's very sparse on the face. She has only used it on the highest setting twice. I'll try n post another pic maybe in a month or so to show if there is any progress.
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smooth

Here's another recommendation for anyone on the West coast, specifically Santa barbara. This guy has been doing electrolysis for years. he will also get you finished far quicker than most other electrologists you will come across. http://www.bonoelectrolysis.com/ He's a nice guy and has been very helpful to me in finding my feet with electrolysis and in separating the myths from the facts... Both of the people I have recommended can use injectable anaesthesia. It's not always necessary but it will definitely help under the nose which is an interesting area. If he should ask say Darren put you in touch :)
see you on the beach....
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smooth

Hi muffinpants

It would definitely be useful to others to keep people updated.

Looking at the picture your gf is quite lucky it looks like she only has minimal growth (hard to say for sure from the picture) This would be a case that I would definitely say stick to electrolysis only. The areas I can see in the picture where the follicles are active is the area that laser often struggles with. These areas are where facial hair (beard) starts it's life, these hairs are tenacious and well established. Once the hormones do their work it will hopefully stop any additional follicles springing into life and if you find a conscientious electrologist who knows their stuff her electrolysis experience shouldn't be a long one.... Good luck with that :( try to find a specialist.
see you on the beach....
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