I don't care how much makeup you put on me, I'm never going to pass for female.  I have gone all out before and dressed up completely, even gone out in public... but I had no delusions that I was fooling anyone.  I'm just not passable and it's ok, maybe it's sour grapes but I don't much care for dressing up completely.

I'm happy with just wearing women's underwear... I'd be happier if I had real female type breasts, but even then I would not much care for dressing up completely.

There are still challenges to my limited expression of femininity, the bras I wear tend to do a good job of shaping me into a more feminine form and this is quite noticeable sometimes.  I often have nightmares about being out in public wearing just a bra and engaging people in conversation and trying to keep them from noticing I'm wearing a bra.  A variation on the famous underwear dream, I suppose.

I'd like to take my femininity a step further and use hormone treatments to develop female breasts... but I'm getting a lot of negative feedback even from the transgender community about this plan... it seems one is looked down upon for wanting anything short of complete gender reassignment.  But I can't pass as a female... and would that I could, I don't want to.  Is it so wrong just to want to have proper breasts?

I thought it was another one of these: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,126509.msg1009983.html#msg1009983

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 03, 2012, 10:41:05 AM
I thought it was another one of these: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,126509.msg1009983.html#msg1009983

Hehe, yeah the title was a play on that phrase 

No, it is not wrong. Being yourself, and being happy with yourself is not wrong. Be yourself.

Why is it so important to pass that you seem on the point of dispare?

Quote from: spacial on December 03, 2012, 11:03:11 AM
Why is it so important to pass that you seem on the point of dispare?

It's not important for me to pass, I am more interested in being accepted as a unique individual deserving of the same respect and dignity as anyone else... whether I'm exploring my feminine side or not... as I'm sure most of us can relate I've found my parents, and family to be the least accepting of my gender blurring.

But I don't need validation from the general public to accept me as one gender or another, I was just pointing out that I cannot be mistaken for female as a matter of fact, not lamenting it in any way.

I don't want to discourage you - you should present and live in whatever way best fits who you are.

But I'd question the assumption that you'd never pass. I was positive I wouldn't either, but with a wig, feminine glasses frames and female clothing, most people in public don't give me a second look. If someone studies me up close I'm sure they could tell, but then I haven't yet really gotten serious about fine tuning my presentation.

BTW there are a lot of people here at Susan's who are taking female hormones but don't intend to make a full transition.

And you don't need validation from anyone here, either.

You want breasts? Go for it. Just be aware that when we urge caution because estrogen does more than just boobs, we're not being down on you...it is a known reality about those side effects, and if your mind decides to overlook those in favor of The Almighty C Cup, you could end up hurting yourself.

It's because we care about you. You are of course free to do what you will. Passing is not a major issue, but certain elements of the public may have a problem with a man having boobs and brassiere.

Quote from: DietFresca on December 03, 2012, 11:22:53 AM
It's not important for me to pass, I am more interested in being accepted as a unique individual deserving of the same respect and dignity as anyone else... whether I'm exploring my feminine side or not... as I'm sure most of us can relate I've found my parents, and family to be the least accepting of my gender blurring.

But I don't need validation from the general public to accept me as one gender or another, I was just pointing out that I cannot be mistaken for female as a matter of fact, not lamenting it in any way.

I want you to know I understand your anguish and pain.

I can promise you, no-one here is unsympathetic.

Big huggggs

DietFresca, you're not alone. Not every body wants to have complete surgery. I've been asked about this numerous times. I have no desire to have surgery. i'm happy and content as I am. Anyone who says that you must have complete surgery may be trying to justify their own existence. You don't have to justify your existence for anybody.