QuoteQuote from: Snowpaw on Yesterday at 02:07:56 pm
Like someone said earlier. glad I am not a criminal


Neither are 7% of the prison population that have been wrongly convicted. Its a scary issue that is always in the back of my mind.

How about in this case? Was she innocent? We can talk about the 7% all day and the stupid 3rd strike rules regarding people with pot. We can discuss the legalized slavery and prison corporations on a forum but honestly it does nothing. Outside of a pure revolution. What can be do about this? Or will we just sit here complacently while it continues and just bitch out people whom just realize it is a hopeless system. The prisons are in the pockets of the politicians who state it's all for the greater good and the people buy it. It is hopeless. Good luck in this world. Hope you don't get arrested because nothing will be done. People will immediately look upon you as a criminal, as guilty, as a ->-bleeped-<- etc. They won't look at the situation. The people are stupid. Sucks but that's life. I am open to suggestions.

Oh also I should state this better, I am glad I have not been caught yet.

BTW police don't care. We are all suspects to them, guilty until proven innocent, ever notice how a lot of the cars no longer say "to protect and serve"? They are basically there to ticket you to fund the politicians. If you can't pay up for the silly tickets you go to jail. If you have a job you are screwed. There is a busted camera light that tickets people all the time on greens and yellows. Nothing has been done about it because it serves as a means to catch more money. Cops are not your friends people. Best to just avoid them completely.

Also not sure if I should state what street because it's the one I live off of but it's a rather busy intersection.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 07, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
I'm going to play devils advocate.

Let's say you're cis gender female, or even post op MtF. You're 5'5" 135 lbs or so, petite, so forth, and in jail. How would you feel if a cross dresser that was picked up for a sex crime against women gets thrown in jail with you, just because he claimed to be trans? Or on the other side, what about pre op FtMs? Do you think they'd fare well in a males prison when they still have a vagina? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Personally I think it's fair to go by genitals... or MAYBE by a very thorough psychiatric evaluation, determine where to place them. But at the same time... I couldn't imagine what they'd do to me in the male side of Orleans Parish Prison, which is one of the most dangerous places to be jailed in the USA - or any male prison for that matter. I'd probably be dead, raped, or sold on the black market the minute the guards stop looking...

Thank God I'm not a criminal....

Well I'm happy for you, though it tends to be people who aren't criminals who are naive enough to think they have to be a criminal to ever end up in jail.

This stuff is all very simple. You go on a case by case basis, and most of the time, if you're a preop MTF, there's a simple solution, put them in isolation... in a WOMENS facility. There you go, problem solved.

Go on a case by case basis, it's the only fair way.

Quote from: Snowpaw on December 08, 2012, 02:08:10 PM
Cops are not your friends people. Best to just avoid them completely.

Also not sure if I should state what street because it's the one I live off of but it's a rather busy intersection.

This is worth repeating.

I respect that cops have a job to do, and provided they act within the bounds of the law I respect that they are simply an instrument of the system, and I respect that.

Having said that. There are bad cops and a lot of what cops do is while not illegal, certainly ethically suspect.

It's simple really, there are rules to dealing with cops to follow to stay out of jail.

A. Don't believe ANYTHING they tell you.
B. Say NOTHING apart from your name and address without having consulted a lawyer.
C. Never agree to a search of your premises without a warrant and follow the vampire rule (don't invite them in).
D. Be polite, respectful, do not resist arrest, do not scream or shout at them, be polite and explain that you do not wish to say anything regarding any criminal matter without consulting a lawyer.

Obviously rules and procedures do vary on a state and country basis, so refresh yourself in your local law.

I was thinking something under this thread.
What for those people who "Technical" did a crime, but who really insn't criminals?
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I think there is alot of those caises specially for transgender people all over the world.

for the current situation, my country is to make law changes and currently I dont know what will happent, but so far its been illigal for people who arn't less than 18 or whos not already on homones threatment. to get homones anywhere ells than 1 place who only accept 17% of the people who get there, and who will show no mercy, even if you say your to kill yourself then its just too bad, they will reject you anyway. (yeah they have done that)

So due to this cercumstances on how the situation is, I told a couple of people i'm willing to contact, or maybe even go to other country to get homones, as well as share information.
by the new law thats illigal but dose it make me a criminal?
Some of those people I been talking to cant go thought this 1 place who have inhuman threatment and reject most people anyway, some already been rejejcted and feel no other option than to join creepy people on the street, or killing themself (if they cant travel away). If im to follow there law im to do NOTHING while I see them die of an overdosis or kill themself.
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also another exemple been this year, we had political fights. The goverment had refused a transgender person who had excaped her country. She had been fighting for transgenders right and a policeman had tried to kill her by the word that she would die if she wasnt to stop what she was doing (aka trying to gain rights for transgender people)
As she escaped she was place in an asylum with men and raped. and when she ran away from there they just denyed her asylum rights in general and where to send her back where she by a big chance would get killed or torturated.

By all this mess alot of people put up petitions, demonstrations and all sort of things.
We went on the street to gain attention, By law you shall have a permission to do that but the day where comming up for her deportation and each minut where counting so we did it anyway.

Illigal? yes, But what would had happent if we didnt?
She would had been send back like 3 other transgender had been, and by a big chance getting killed.
Due to the fact we did it anyway, she was saved in last minut and the law of LGBT refugeed where changed.
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What i'm simple trying to aply is, who is the criminals here?

is it only crazy people doing bad things and hurting people, Or is it also people like ourself?

LGBT people had and still is by many areas criminals simple for being thereself, or for surviving by options they where forced into due to a less accepting sociaty. (ex prostitution)
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In My world the criminals are those who been rejejcting transgender people help, and who just refuse and send them back even when THEY KNOW there to get harmed or in worst caise killed.

But by law there not criminals, for them im the criminal for what I do, and stand up for.
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I think its important to take this in mind, that criminals can be everyone in all kinds of situations and shape,
My thought of prision and punishment isnt that it should be focus on punish people alone,

it should be the main focus to prevent them doing something hurtfull.

I'll say it again, and I've said it many times......for all or us who are tg. ts, gender queer.............never put yourself in the position of being arrested. 

So....don't drive uti, don't be in the company of anyone committing a crime, be polite to cops at all times, never argue with them, do your best to never get into a fight, or an argument that could cause a fight, and stay away from places that could cause you to be in that situation. 

Quote from: Miss Bev on December 12, 2012, 12:09:53 AM
I'll say it again, and I've said it many times......for all or us who are tg. ts, gender queer.............never put yourself in the position of being arrested. 

So....don't drive uti, don't be in the company of anyone committing a crime, be polite to cops at all times, never argue with them, do your best to never get into a fight, or an argument that could cause a fight, and stay away from places that could cause you to be in that situation.

Yep... because many in the law enforcement community will NOT take our sides if they can get away with it. Many, in fact, seem to have some sort of sick interest to put us in there with the wolves. It's sad but true...

From what the video itself shows ( I watched it twice), I think is she was treated rather well.  I was treated worse myself in hospital and medical situations by doctors and nurses only 3 yrs ago.  From what I could see, she failed the breathalyzer, and was brought in for booking.  Even though there were questions about her gender identity because of information prior to her surgery, everyone in the video referred to her with the correct pronouns, and did what was necessary to work with the system, as it was.  The one officer smirked, but only very mildly. The female officer didn't smirk, or treat her badly.  In fact, when the woman tried to remove something in her hair, the female officer reached out very naturally, and said "here, here, move your hands, I'll get it" and removed the speck or whatever, a natural woman-to-woman social gesture.  They put her in a separate room to be isolated from the general population until they could figure out how to work with the system, and before considering putting her in the female population, asked if she would be known there by anyone(thus being concerned for her safety).

I think sometimes, we are too ready to see more than is there.  And believe me, I've been through a lot, and know what of I speak.  It's important for the system to change, and it's up to us and our allies.  We have to be vigilant in bringing about changes, and protecting not only ourselves, but all LGBTQIA, but those changes won't come about by being hypersensitive when we are not being mistreated.

Quote from: Miss Bev on December 12, 2012, 10:58:41 PM
From what the video itself shows ( I watched it twice), I think is she was treated rather well. 

I watched the whole video and didn't see anything insulting, hostile or rude either. As a trans person, I would be fine with being treated as she was and understand why they did what they did.

Why do they separate genders to begin with? If you think inmates likely to rape each other, instead of building a men's prison and a women's prison, it's probably cheaper to build one big prison and give every inmate a separate cell.

And to begin with, I don't think male criminals are THAT MUCH more likely to rape a woman than they are to rape a man. A dangerous guy who hasn't had sex for a long time won't be making much of a difference, I say.

I never understood the logic between gender separation. Was it a third of the population that was bisexual or homosexual? Then why make such an absolute separation, if it's only going to "protect" a not-so-large majority of people? I think the basic reason why men/women might not behave properly, or appreciate, mixing genders, is that they were taught about the separation in the beginning. I mean, what's up with that? Women are okay with undressing naked in front of other women, knowing very well that instead of 2/3 people watching, as would be the case with men, there would be 1/3 people watching who could get excited. Men won't be seeing an inch of that ever, but women are okay, just because there's less lesbians than straight men? I see no logic in that, apart from weird education. I personally think no one should ever have to undress in front of anyone, but I also believe that separating genders is nonsensical, especially in this situation of jail where we (hopefully) aren't talking about undressing in front of others.

Quote from: A on December 14, 2012, 10:58:48 AM
Why do they separate genders to begin with?

Maybe it's so they won't have little baby prisoners nine months later.

Quote from: A on December 14, 2012, 10:58:48 AM
Why do they separate genders to begin with? If you think inmates likely to rape each other, instead of building a men's prison and a women's prison, it's probably cheaper to build one big prison and give every inmate a separate cell.

And to begin with, I don't think male criminals are THAT MUCH more likely to rape a woman than they are to rape a man. A dangerous guy who hasn't had sex for a long time won't be making much of a difference, I say.

  Have you ever been in jail? And being solitary confinement is not very nice. And what are you gonna do make everyone stay in their own cell, feed them there etc?

The other thing, people assume a MTF would be safer in a woman's prison, lets not forget -this- woman is in prison. And these are the types of women that are locked up, they are CrAzY.



Bottom line jail sucks for anyone and while I've never spent more that one night in jail, I have zero interest in going back

On the original video, note this is her 3rd DUI, I do NOT feel sorry for a person like this who endangers other innocent peoples lives driving around drunk..

I don't feel sorry for her either, but the fact of the matter is if you get locked up in jail and still have male genitals, you will be classified as male, at least in Las Vegas. Notice how they say she is 100% male at her first classification, and then only after srs/grs surgery is she classified as 100% female. That was my biggest concern.

Quote from: Stephe on December 14, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
  Have you ever been in jail? And being solitary confinement is not very nice. And what are you gonna do make everyone stay in their own cell, feed them there etc?

The other thing, people assume a MTF would be safer in a woman's prison, lets not forget -this- woman is in prison. And these are the types of women that are locked up, they are CrAzY.



Bottom line jail sucks for anyone and while I've never spent more that one night in jail, I have zero interest in going back

On the original video, note this is her 3rd DUI, I do NOT feel sorry for a person like this who endangers other innocent peoples lives driving around drunk..

Stephe, A is not in the US, so I don't think she understands how brutal our jails / prisons are. Or how crowded they are. Or how horrible the people that RUN them are.

However, I'd disagree with anybody that says being an MtF in a male prison is just as bad as being in a womens prison. Yes, there are absolutely nasty women in prison, but there are MORE violent, nasty men in a mens prison, as a population percentage, than in a womens prison.

And for those who want to know more about prisons in the USA for MtFs, look up "Cruel and Unusual" on Youtube.

All I know is, I don't break the law. But all it takes is one cop to think I'm doing something wrong and I'll land in jail. If they threw me in general population with men where I live, I possibly wouldn't get out of there without catching HIV. It's a messed up system that needs to be changed. It's seriously a big reason as to why I want SRS.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on December 14, 2012, 10:37:15 PM
All I know is, I don't break the law. But all it takes is one cop to think I'm doing something wrong and I'll land in jail. If they threw me in general population with men where I live, I possibly wouldn't get out of there without catching HIV. It's a messed up system that needs to be changed. It's seriously a big reason as to why I want SRS.

I can state that for crimes for some pretty bad things like DUI, you still can get bailed out as soon as someone who knows you finds a bail bonds man. Most cops in a jail situation really don't want to have to deal with us. When I was last thrown in jail 15ish years ago, they did keep me in a solo cell until a friend posted my bail.

Again, at least in the US, if you are trans you need to seriously think twice about doing anything that could land you in jail, especially "doing time". It likely would not end up good. Things like dealing drugs etc is VERY stupid for a trans person to be involved in or around etc. Even smoking weed IMHO isn't a bright thing to be doing if you are trans. It's too easy to get arrested for this and them decide they want to "make an example" of you.

Quote from: Stephe on December 14, 2012, 11:31:38 PM
I can state that for crimes for some pretty bad things like DUI, you still can get bailed out as soon as someone who knows you finds a bail bonds man. Most cops in a jail situation really don't want to have to deal with us. When I was last thrown in jail 15ish years ago, they did keep me in a solo cell until a friend posted my bail.

Again, at least in the US, if you are trans you need to seriously think twice about doing anything that could land you in jail, especially "doing time". It likely would not end up good. Things like dealing drugs etc is VERY stupid for a trans person to be involved in or around etc. Even smoking weed IMHO isn't a bright thing to be doing if you are trans. It's too easy to get arrested for this and them decide they want to "make an example" of you.

In New Orleans, until recently they were arresting black transsexuals for prostitution with absolutely NO evidence that they were prostitutes. Basically officers were using it as blackmail to corner transsexuals into performing sex acts on them. Louisiana has a common policy that pays parishes for every inmate they house. Yep... $22 per prisoner per day, and to get that $22 they must stay in there for 12 hours, so they delay the bond process. This makes it so that it's encouraged that the officers arrest people for anything they can arrest them for. The police here are notoriously corrupt. So corrupt, in fact, that the federal government actually ordered the department to review all of its policies and make changes to make sure they're constitutional.

Not only that, but once in jail, people are regularly denied their medicine. Not just transsexuals, but psych patients are abused this way too. But of course, people in jail don't get any sympathy from the public. Most people just think "Well they shouldn't have broken the law!" .... but the same ones would probably be the ones crying up a storm if they had an attachment for a hit and run they didn't commit and were thrown in jail, not knowing they had something to take care of. It's a messed up system, and this country jails WAY too many of its own people....

I find it really sad that they need to separate genders because the prison is too messed-up to begin with. I hate patches put on flawed systems. It feels like separating Blacks and Whites in a school because there were too many racist acts.

Besides, I think any inmate who might intimidate, aggress or rape others should not be allowed near others... Or have a guardian with them at all times. It's astounding that stuff like "don't speak or else" can actually work.

Okay, that's not how it works in your prisons, from what it sounds like, because everyone is corrupted from the root to the leaves, but that's how it should work. Sigh. Things would be too easy if everyone were able to think logically.

No one deserves to be raped.

We have set punishments for crimes.

It's 2 years in prison not 2 years in prison plus rape

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 14, 2012, 05:24:13 PM

Funny.  Nice statement

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on December 15, 2012, 09:25:44 AM
No one deserves to be raped.

We have set punishments for crimes.

It's 2 years in prison not 2 years in prison plus rape

What's sad is people are subjected to that while awaiting trial. So they're in there with bad people just because a cop suspects they did something wrong.