QuoteI sang solo in our choir a few times and I am a soprano. I used to be a bass lol

How is that even possible? I can only sound high if i do falsetto, my voice right now is a barritone/tenor (i have a wide range) ...Please tell me how thats even humanly possible without surgery to have your voice change that much, is this a natural soprano?

Concerning singing- When you condition your upper register( I call this tempering) what sounded forceful and breathy when you started begins to sound more and more natural over the months. You lose "falsetto" range but you gain clearer modal range. Unless you want to train to be a counter-tenor( and be stuck singing opera)you should avoid falsetto. You will learn in time how to "borrow" to falsetto naturally whilst talking/singing, etc.

Even the best sopranists in the world have biological anomalies though( and don't even sound like women to the trained ear anyways) so I highly doubt Annah sounds like a real soprano( sample or it didn't happen)...I can sing pretty convincingly some pop stuff in full modal voice( or some opera stuff kinda like a falsettist would) too but I'm not deluding myself into thinking I'm Maria Callas. Even thoroughly trained we're still bound to the limitations of a male voicebox. These limitations however will only be noticeable through singing. You can have have a 100% bio sounding conversational voice.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 12, 2012, 10:56:46 PM
How is that even possible? I can only sound high if i do falsetto, my voice right now is a barritone/tenor (i have a wide range) ...Please tell me how thats even humanly possible without surgery to have your voice change that much, is this a natural soprano?

it takes months and months of singing and practicing. Trust me..it is possible. I am against vocal chord surgery so believe me...it wasn't that.

They wouldn't have me sing solos if i sounded falsetto. Our Minister of Music is too professional for that!

I can "almost" sing like Martika and her song "Toy Soilders" I just cant reach the high notes.

well, not everyone is designed to sing soprano

I love AltO AND Tenor too!

Quote from: Annah on December 12, 2012, 11:27:40 PM
well, not everyone is designed to sing soprano

That's exactly what I'm saying no MAAB with a mature voicebox is "designed" to sing soprano. >.<

Quote from: Annah on December 12, 2012, 11:27:40 PM
well, not everyone is designed to sing soprano

I love AltO AND Tenor too!

Well You should "bottle up" whatever methods you used to speak and sing so high and sell it, id glady buy that dvd/cd 

Can you still sing all the way from bass to soprano? You must have bleen blessed with a huge range, that exceeds my range, I am going to have to assume not everyone's voice will be able to get that high. Otherwise there would not be some people getting vocal surgery, if they could just train it and keep it there without issue.

I sang baritone in my old choir, but now I sing alto, a very natural range for me.  I could stretch to some soprano, but to me, it's clearly unnatural. I no longer use, nor can find my old male voice (I'm sure it lurks in there somewhere, to some small degree).
Here's an interesting video from a few years ago by an interesting lady.  You should look at it.  She describes how she trained her voice, and I don't think it's far from how many of us did, though she is much more entertaining.  It's worth the couple minutes watching.  She has moved on with her partner, and also, has stopped invoking her old male voice.  If you like, she has a bunch of videos.  Notice this important thing:  when she is in male voice, her gestures and personality are male.  When she is in female voice, she becomes a different person.  It's just something that happens.  So....for those who say "why should I have have to transition my voice?", you will see that it also helps place you in a more natural feminine expression.  Anyway, just watch.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 12, 2012, 11:53:24 PM
Can you still sing all the way from bass to soprano?

I don't know...never tried it. I don't think I can sing from Bass to Soprano now. It's kind of hard to speak in my older voice anyways

Quote from: Seyranna on December 12, 2012, 11:39:43 PM
That's exactly what I'm saying no MAAB with a mature voicebox is "designed" to sing soprano. >.<

Well I can lol....i think not being on hormone therapy until i was 35 constitutes me having a mature voicebox

When I said "not everyone is able to sing soprano" i meant for cis women too

I've always wondered how Michael Jackson reached those insanely high notes. I noted a D6 in one of his songs.

If I try to reach a soprano's A5, I can do it, but it sounds more like a stressed pig's squeal than singing. Annah, if you can reach it then hats off to you.

i can only sing up to an E effectively soprano

Quote from: Annah on December 13, 2012, 10:24:43 AM
i can only sing up to an E effectively soprano

I can do a D in head voice. I love Gabriel Fauré's Pie Jesu. It would be my dream to sing it, but that goes up to F5. If there was some sort of safe voice surgery that could increase my range to get there, I think I would contemplate it.   

Well a music teacher told me that a Soprano for a male is really in essence a nicely trained falsetto that sounds like soprano. But they did say its possible to have that kind of range. But a male would call it counter tenor they said , a female calls it soprano, according to them.

My singing range does worry me. Can you get outed for having a rubbish singing range? I'll need to sight sing next year for a music exam. What I've done is made an appointment with a voice therapist at The Royal National Throat, Nose & Ear Hospital, who also works with pop singers, to get an objective opinion.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 13, 2012, 10:49:12 AM
Well a music teacher told me that a Soprano for a male is really in essence a nicely trained falsetto that sounds like soprano. But they did say its possible to have that kind of range. But a male would call it counter tenor they said , a female calls it soprano, according to them.

im pretty sure your music teacher never seen someone switch their voice from male to female either

your teacher probably thinks the only way to sound female as a cismale is to sound like mrs doubtfire or any other male actor on tv trying to sound female

Quote from: Tesla on December 13, 2012, 11:52:36 AM
My singing range does worry me. Can you get outed for having a rubbish singing range? I'll need to sight sing next year for a music exam. What I've done is made an appointment with a voice therapist at The Royal National Throat, Nose & Ear Hospital, who also works with pop singers, to get an objective opinion.

it takes almost as twice as long to sing in that range than it does to learn to speak with a feminine voice.

most voice trainers do not have the experience for gender change musical vocals

Quote from: Annah on December 13, 2012, 12:22:00 PM
it takes almost as twice as long to sing in that range than it does to learn to speak with a feminine voice.

most voice trainers do not have the experience for gender change musical vocals

This is the guy I'm seeing:
http://www.voicetherapy.co.uk/

What do you think?

It certainly is possible - I used to be a bass-baritone, so had a deeper voice than even a lot of guys, but now I can sing in the contralto/mezzo soprano range - it took a lot of practice and training, and I still make use of my lower range to add a more unique edge to my voice. Most of the training was developing head voice so that my higher range wasn't breathy falsetto but a more connected sounding head voice (which can sound operatic, which may or may not be desirable, but gives the foundation to a fuller high range). Even harder is mixed voice, which is singing in the head voice range and adding a bit of chest voice to give it power.

Here is a sample of me singing below - in the first chorus I deliberately use falsetto as a gentler introduction, but in the second verse I use mixed voice - and it sounds like I'm belting the "distant dreamer" bit, in chest voice, but I'm not, I'm using mixed voice, because I'd never be able to hit a B4 in regular chest voice, but I can make it sound pretty much the same.



This song is a sample of me using "head voice" rather than falsetto on the higher notes and shows off more of my vocal range from low to high (A2 to E5, which is most of my vocal range) - 99% of GGs couldn't hit the low notes like I do here, so I make the most of that fact that I can't go as high as GGs by showing more masculine sounding range!



Also "Soprano" is a vague term - there are many types - Mezzo (the lower soprano, which is the most common, and may sing "alto" in a choir) Dramatic Soprano, Lyric Soprano (Higher), Coloratura Soprano (highest and most agile) Spinto Soprano and others. Personally to me, being able to "sing soprano" is singing up to around C6.

However, there are masculine sounding women singers out there - my deep voiced Contralto heroine is Zarah Leander - this is how I used to sing pre-transition, and still like to sing now sometimes!

Quote from: Assoluta on December 13, 2012, 05:22:43 PM
It certainly is possible - I used to be a bass-baritone, so had a deeper voice than even a lot of guys, but now I can sing in the contralto/mezzo soprano range - it took a lot of practice and training, and I still make use of my lower range to add a more unique edge to my voice. Most of the training was developing head voice so that my higher range wasn't breathy falsetto but a more connected sounding head voice (which can sound operatic, which may or may not be desirable, but gives the foundation to a fuller high range). Even harder is mixed voice, which is singing in the head voice range and adding a bit of chest voice to give it power.

That's beautiful Assoluta. I can't get past G4 using chest voice and a shaky D5 for head voice. But I haven't done much singing practice. How far do you think I could push beyond G4?