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As an atheist, what do you believe in?

Started by katia, May 29, 2007, 12:20:17 AM

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katia

i have known many atheists and only one was militant in non-belief of anything non-empirical. [he ranted all day about how stupid people were to believe in [superstition] including everything thing from acupuncture to aliens to the apocalypse.] but most i've known were far more flexible. some are even willing to accept non-empirical ideas outside the idea of god(s) such as ghosts, magic, astral projection, reincarnation, different [worlds] etc. how far do your beliefs go outside the empirical?
i don't need a definition of atheism and i'm not interested in knowing what you [don't] believe [i know you don't believe in god(s)] i'm am entirely interested in what you do believe. just curious.

i, myself, believe in science. science provokes thought and continually poses questions. of course, not everything is known to science and there are things that cannot be fully explained by science. this is what makes science a dynamic field. science is about questioning things and reserving judgement until there is evidence. it's not about faithfully accepting things without proof. i don't believe in attributing what is unexplanable to [god].

i believe that "god" is whatever we make it out to be. god can be the creator of the world, the sun, jehovah, jupiter, cleopatra, etc.  it's an idea that is mainly based upon cultural beliefs. male-dominated societies will have a male god and female-dominated societies will have a female god. religion is mainly a way of controlling the masses. i believe that religion can hold back the advancement of science. for instance, the catholic church considered copernicus and galileo's discovery of the earth rotating around the sun to be an abomination.

today, the same church is opposed to stem cell research, in vitro fertilisation, and birth control because they undermine its believes. i believe that many religious ideas are antiquated and have no place in modern society. i believe that the religious books were all written by man rather than gods. why else would they contain prejudices against women, gays, the terminally ill, etc.?

i believe in questioning things rather than going along with them and accepting them just because. for instance, if there is a "god," how did he come into being? how old is he? how do we know it's a male? why do we attribute human characteristics to our gods? why isn't the world that "god" created perfect?

now would you enlighten me with your ideas?  what do you believe in?
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cindianna_jones

I believe in asking questions.
I believe in challenging the old lore.
I believe that there is good in human kind.
I believe in the power of love.
I believe that we can find the answers to the unknown if we work at it.

Cindi
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Kaitlyn

#2
I am an atheist not because I do not believe in anything, but because religions push beliefs that I cannot accept.
Some of the things I do believe:


People are fundamentally decent and good. - We may not all agree with each other, but people do things because they believe its appropriate and the right thing. People who are "anti-social" aren't all so just because they were born haters, or because they're 'dark', 'sinful,' or 'tainted.' They are people who need help, who need human sympathy. Because too often, we fail to understand that not everyone lived the same kind of life as ourselves. Not everyone feels the same things, or holds the same beliefs. Not everyone has had as much love and acceptance. Yes, there are some who act truly senseless harm on others, but its not because they're evil, but because they're ill.


We make our own luck. - Our fates aren't determined by chance or a roll of the die, an invisible hand or a mythical diety, but foremost by our own efforts. Sometimes it seems that the whole world is hellbent against us. Of course, the world isn't very fair by any means, but unless we persevere, we cannot see what lies over the horizon. Yes, sometimes bad things happen to good people for no fault of their own, but if we put our minds to it, any person can accomplish great things. But it's not going to happen if we lie back and do not try, instead blaming fate, or luck, or God, or whatever.


Life should be cherished. - There is much more to this than creating more lives. That's meaningless, and only harms so much life already on this planet. The true essence of cherishing life is ensuring that life that already exists in the world needs to be taken care of. What joy is life if it is spent in squalor, poverty, or sickness? I would rather ensure the happy lives of the thousands who live now, than have them create a thousand more. Furthermore, cherishing life extends not only to people, but to animals, plants, and all the living things with whom we share our planetary home.


The universe is a mysterious place. However, if we're willing to stretch the limits of our thoughts and imaginations rather than remain afraid of what we do not know, we can discover truly amazing things. We will better understand the world around us, and we can make happier, fuller lives for all.


The central tenet of a "moral" life is not religious doctrine, but a much more fundamental idea: caring for your fellow person. Everything else follows from that basic principle.


And as a sum of several of these: humanity does not need mysticism, religion, dieties, or spiritual guidance to flourish, for people to be 'good', to achieve true happiness, or for salvation. In so many ways, these ideas separate ourselves the world around us, and from nature. That does not mean they serve no purpose. They can help us or make our lives more satisfying. But we must not cling too much to religion or any other arbitrary beliefs. Doing so makes us blind, it clouds the truth. It makes us forget that yes, every one of 'us' is a human being, just like you and I, with the same essential hopes and desires.

~k
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Pica Pica

I believe that our world is very limited ontologically to purely empirical things.

However I also believe that due to the mad spiralling of evolution we somehow have a personal emotional life and a communal social one, and for me, this is where the real interesting things happens. In these places, anything that can be adequately communicated and passed on has an essence of 'truth' including the notions of God and other things. Because they are true in these realms of social and emotional life that we have as a result of our consciousness.

But I believe that these things do not strictly exist in any way outside of these mental functions.
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cindianna_jones

Kaitlyn,

Were we twins separated at birth or what?

;)

Cindi
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Katia on May 29, 2007, 12:20:17 AM
i have known many atheists and only one was militant in non-belief of anything non-empirical. [he ranted all day about how stupid people were to believe in [superstition] including everything thing from acupuncture to aliens to the apocalypse.] but most i've known were far more flexible. some are even willing to accept non-empirical ideas outside the idea of god(s) such as ghosts, magic, astral projection, reincarnation, different [worlds] etc. how far do your beliefs go outside the empirical?
i don't need a definition of atheism and i'm not interested in knowing what you [don't] believe [i know you don't believe in god(s)] i'm am entirely interested in what you do believe. just curious.

i, myself, believe in science. science provokes thought and continually poses questions. of course, not everything is known to science and there are things that cannot be fully explained by science. this is what makes science a dynamic field. science is about questioning things and reserving judgement until there is evidence. it's not about faithfully accepting things without proof. i don't believe in attributing what is unexplanable to [god].

i believe that "god" is whatever we make it out to be. god can be the creator of the world, the sun, jehovah, jupiter, cleopatra, etc.  it's an idea that is mainly based upon cultural beliefs. male-dominated societies will have a male god and female-dominated societies will have a female god. religion is mainly a way of controlling the masses. i believe that religion can hold back the advancement of science. for instance, the catholic church considered copernicus and galileo's discovery of the earth rotating around the sun to be an abomination.

today, the same church is opposed to stem cell research, in vitro fertilisation, and birth control because they undermine its believes. i believe that many religious ideas are antiquated and have no place in modern society. i believe that the religious books were all written by man rather than gods. why else would they contain prejudices against women, gays, the terminally ill, etc.?

i believe in questioning things rather than going along with them and accepting them just because. for instance, if there is a "god," how did he come into being? how old is he? how do we know it's a male? why do we attribute human characteristics to our gods? why isn't the world that "god" created perfect?

now would you enlighten me with your ideas?  what do you believe in?


I just want to say that I enjoyed reading your post.  Although I'm not an Atheist, I can see when someone talks with their heart.  Very insightful thread, Katia. Stay happy kitty cat! :)

tink :icon_chick:
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The Middle Way

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Quote from: Katia on May 29, 2007, 12:20:17 AM
what do you believe in?

The sound. HUMMMMMMMMMM.
AAAAUUUUMMMM.

OM.

Hear it? Always there.

(Originally it were a lot lower, that fundamental. We are all overtones, harmonics of that Big Fundamental (Pure Tone).)

tmw
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Yvonne

I'm an agnostic. I believe that there is something more to life than what we see, I just don't buy in to religion of any type. If there is an afterlife, I'll find out when I get there, and all religion has done in history is give another reason for people to form different groups and try to kill each other. If there is a god, do you really think he cares how much time you spend in church? Just be good, help people, and live life to the fullest, and you've done your bit.
When I look about me I know that some power or intelligence must have started the process of forming the universe with all its complexities including life. I also know that there is no being up in the sky or anywhere else listening to your prays and intervening in peoples affairs. That whole idea is just nonsense.
I am also certain that while I don't know the exact nature of the power or intelligence that started it all nor does anyone else who exists or has ever existed no matter who they are.
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Altair

As an atheist, I have no beliefs in religious matters.  I assume that there are no God/Gods/Saints/whatever just as I assume that other creatures doesn't exist until I encounter faith or something else that makes me realize differently.  Believing in a God seems nice at times, I can see why others find comfort in it. 

As for other things, I'm a skeptic.  I'm always questioning things.  This drives some of my friends crazy but it's the way I am and I find this approach very useful.  I'm also the type of skeptic in that I don't assume that since there is no evidence of something's existence that it absolutely doesn't exist.  For example, I don't believe in ghosts however I am forever looking for evidence of their existence.   There are some things I reject outright like astrology (love and know astronomy too much) and psychic readings (know how they work) but things like Gods, ghosts, etc I try to keep a look out for just in case.
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LostInTime

I believe in myself
I believe that no matter what I encounter, I can and will overcome it if given enough time.
I believe that no matter what happens to me, I will survive until I die that final death and disappear.
I believe that I have a responsibility to better the world around me as I can.
I believe that friendship and true love should last a lifetime.
I do believe that I will be eating a pizza tonight.
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Diane

I believe when you die there is nothing else . The end is the end.
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ChildOfTheLight

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Pica Pica

I don't oddly enough. We are too at the whim of situation to be free. Doesn't mean we aren't responsible though.
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