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Started by Apples Mk.II, December 17, 2012, 10:04:42 AM

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Apples Mk.II

One of those days were the combined steam makes the pot's lid fall. Don't take this very seriously, but I need to shout a few things:



- The outing experience:
Ever since I was recommended to slowly come off to people, things are not as pink as I'd like. I don't like how I am treated now. I receive more attention and interest, I'm asked for my health, how I feel... At the same, I feel as if they were treating a kid with a mental impairment or disability, like being a retard, suffering from down syndrome, aspergers, etc. I don't know, maybe I am not used to being treated nicely, but I also don't feel I am being treated "normally". As if I had a real problem that crippled my life. Ok, it's true that I look like crap, I have the worst auto steem at this time and I am still like a shadow of my former self, but... I don't want to be treated differently.

Also, defending some things seems to put me in weird situations. I keep raising a "what's the f" constantly. The people that don't know me still see me as a complete wacko, or even more. The shell I had to create?


- The "other" community:
I am far too much fed up with it. Yesterday was the last "Frak it" before taking my leave. I've been called all sort of insults just for saying that Suporn is not perfect and can make mistakes too (even though it is my first choice for when the moment arives), and whoever is going to undergo any surgery (SRS or FFS) should be aware of everything, including the bad parts and that not everybody has a happy outcome. After that, I've been accused of just wanting to inspire fear, cause commotion and destroy the image of surgeons. And that If I did not have irrefutable proof... Who is so blind as to think of a surgeon as a perfect god? And I can remember some recent Post FFS pictures from somebody here that is no having a good time.

I thought of pasting links to the threads here, the images that have made me reconsider SRS, but what could I gain with it? I've encountered the kind of people there that won't believe even after putting the fingers inside the wounds. Other participants were replying "Are you aware that everything he is saying is true?" "Until I see proof, he is inventing everything to scare people so that they can't have their surgeries". Not to mention An FFS assistant from T-Change using clone accounts, surgery groupies insulting anybody that said something bad about their surgeon (even accusing them of being moles from Femilife)... And a complete lack of moderation.

Not to mention, they are the opposite to here. I've been encouraged to self hormonate, to up my dosages, told that the social security endos have no clue about HRT and there is no thing as tailoring  for every person here. That self-hormonating was no dangerous if you had some analysis, and to lie about why I need them.

They are like a bunch of idiotic kids, not listening to anybody. I feel old.


- My family:
Things are like this now: My father knows but we have sort of an agreement of doing as if that never happened and I just fake being happy (What he wanted). My mother still enjoys the ignorance. I am tired of holding it and keeping the act. Christmas is almost here and I need it to be as calm as possible, since I know that in the moment I talk everything is going to explode. I need to be patient until he therapist tries to make them reason in January, and I still fear that dreaded date when I have to enter the office with my father. I don't want them involved and being talk about how I feel, etc. I only want to be respected, not understood. I have spent most of my life keeping my things private and know is as if the therapists need to dissect me and show them my brain anatomy.

I'd rather stop going to the therapy and keep with the self hormonating. They may be my family, but all I have wanted for years is to keep them away from my reality, and now they want to connect the two things. I don't like them, in fact I hate them so much that I prefer to end all of this now than having them on it.


- My HRT experience:
I am not mentally ready for it. I should have started this with a full commitment to it and knowing that this is what I truly wanted. Instead I did it in a hot moment out of desperation and frustration. Am I happy about the changes this will bring? Nope. After cooling down, I can only think of it as self inflicted major damage to my body. I have the feeling that I am slowly poisoning myself, crippling my health, risking my life  and being stuck with it. For the last days, I've been wanting to stop it, but becoming more of a man is something I also dislike.

It is a bit more than a week, and I don't feel a single thing. I don't feel relief for taking the pills (I only get more worried), neither a "feel good" sensation. I am not even having a bad reaction to it that will just tell me "This is not for you". I though that on HRT I'd feel something that would help me deciding, but still nothing. I only worry more and more about my other health issues and adding an additional one.

And the shrinkage... Heck. I don't know if the antiandrogens are already doing effect or it was quite cold, but today it was so shrunk and compressed down there that I could either sit on the toilet or pee my pants. I had to pull and heat it until it was usable again. And this only happened to me after heavy exercising.


- Money money, money:
This is becoming expensive.The pills, surgery costs, body maintenance, fashion... I'll probably need to add additional euros for voice therapy. I have already planned my savings for the next three years. I won't be able to leave the parental home for a long time. What If I lose my job and I'm left stuck in the middle? Or if I am not able to pay for the drugs in a future, and after crippling myself I develop osteoporosis? My body already aches a lot, like to have more problems.


- Perception of self has changed again:
Not all the outings have been good ones. I was accidentally outed in our small 25 users private hidden community, which happens to be a complete sausagefest. After the initial surprise and the "Good Luck", the thing looks now as if it never happened. The topic is never mentioned, some people do not talk to me anymore, and I am still considered a normal dude. They are the kind of persons that think like "once a dude, always a dude".

Remember that there was a time when I was mentally involuntarily swapping to female? In the end, the constant disparity between my inner mind and the rest of the world proved too much to bear. If somebody that knows my secret tries to treat me as female, I won't react very well. I'm back to using my original pronouns and identifying me as a male. Furthermore, I don't like the paper I had to sign when I started the GD Therapy, on which I claimed that I had always known my desired gender and was identifying as it now. I am non- binary, with an androgyne mindset and can't identify in any gender. Even if yesterday I crossdressed and it felt great and the same time. It's strange how I only want to adapt my body but keep the "male identifier" inside.





Just venting. My leg and hip are hurting again, family came back yesterday and it's hard to keep positive attitude. I keep being asked about what do I want for christmas, and the only thing that comes to my mouth is:

"The only thing I want from both of you is to accept me and not make a fuss about it, accept my new identity and act as if it was a single ordinary change in my life that won't change yours or our daily interactions."
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Zumbagirl

Hi there!

When I transitioned back in the 90's nobody heard of it. It was much less common than it is today. So naturally there were a lot of people who were curious to see what kind of woman I would turn out to be. You know the old getting invited somewhere and seeing if I "fooled" anyone with my changes and such. Thankfully, I figured this out early on and did what others before me had done, leave the old world behind and made all new friends (I called them the intermediates). They may have known and may then again maybe they didn't. That's why I believe a lot of successfuly women eventually leave it all behind (friends, family, work) and start over.

As far as the community, when I transitioned I used the community for information and that's all. The support groups (especially surgery related ones) are full of trolls and wannabes. There are people who hang around on those discussion boards for years, with absolutely zero surgery and yet full of opinions. I myself am an actual living breathing Suporn person. He did my lower jaw reshaping and BA. My own experience was excellent and I would highly recommend. PM me if you want details. I did not go there for SRS. I went to Brassard for my own reasons. I felt he was right for me. So maybe you feel Suporn is right for you. That's your choice not mine. Don't let yourself get distracted by the trolls. This community has an unusually large collection of failed transitions and angry people behind those screen names. I have met a few real life failed surgery people and you want to know what I think?? I don't blame the surgeon one bit. When I was in Montreal there was a woman there getting surgical revision and constantly saying negative things about Dr Brassard. That person was a 100% real life troll. Not one person there would talk to her. Not to mention she was swigging bottles of booze she snuck in there. I have met a few others as well. Women who didn't dilate properly and lost depth (surgeons fault? womans fault?). women who went in with Angeline Jolie pictures for FFS (unrealistic outcomes, surgeons fault?). I don't feel sorry of any of those people one bit.

Your worries over financial are an excellent indiciation that you understand job 1 when transitioning. If you have no money, then nothing is going to happen. Save up your money, go where you want to go, and then disappear and live your own life on your own terms. If you want to go back to old friends, then do it. Be forewarned that those who think it's cool to "out" you will want to do it even more once you are happily living a new life. As far as ending up half done, I am willing to bet that anyone sitting where I am right now, can probably say the same thing, we all had the same concerns as well. What if I failed? What if I can't get a job as a woman? Your fears are not uncommon. The important measure is determination. If you want to do something badly enough, then thee is no obstacle that can't be overcome. I lost a job when I transitioned and I didn't go online and have a pity party. I brushed myself off and said...dammit I am going to succed just to prove them wrong. It turned out to be best in the end, a do over worked for me and only stopped things for a very short time.

I made all new friends after my transition. I have changed jobs a few times. Now I am just another woman in the world and that's the way I want to keep it. My own transition re-focused my life and put it into perspective for me.

As far as estrogen, my own experience is that I feel better on estrogen on my worst day than I could with testosterone on my best day. It works wonders on me and not necessarily about physical changes. I am about as physically changed as I will ever be at this point, but I am still a very happy person but I would not want to give up my estrogen.
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spacial

Zumbagirl.

That was amazing. I so enjoyed reading it.
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Jamie D

Apples, when I am having a bad day, I just remember this ...

Motivational Music
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Jamie D on December 18, 2012, 10:09:40 PM
Apples, when I am having a bad day, I just remember this ...

Motivational Music

Sorry, but not gonna work today. I just came from the ofthalmologist today. 120€ lost just to hear "I only see 1 mm of difference, I am not going to operate on you. I can make you tests for Myasthenia gravis (Although I can tell you you don't have it), but you have to live with it."


Seriously... 1 mm?

http://i.imgur.com/nZExR.jpg


I can't let people take photos from me. And between the eye, the tilted nose and the asymmetric jaw looking at my reflection or a photo gives me full blown BDD again. I'm a freaking monster. What now if the maxillofacial surgeon tells me the same thing? "I won't operate you if you are not dying, you will have to live with it"


Being denied a correction to fix what makes you feel bad every day?

It will have to wait for the FFS surgeon, which will do the eye thing just for cosmetical purposes, but if I don't get the jaw correction, I don't know what will I do to keep living.
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Beverly

I know you do not like it, but I doubt anyone else notices it. It really is quite minor.

I can understand why he did not operate - the adjustment might be too small, too precise for surgery. You might wind up with an eye you cannot shut if he pulled it back too much and that would be worse.

Sorry.....



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Apples Mk.II

Since the difference may get bigger if I undergo FFS surgery, I may ask them to do it (I already have a price from a FFS Surgeon). For the biggest part of the day I'm quite ok, but when the night comes... Alcohol also increases the difference, so I'm glad I stopped it.
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Nicolette

Quote from: Apple Seed on December 19, 2012, 12:32:01 PM

Seriously... 1 mm?

http://i.imgur.com/nZExR.jpg


Are you referring to a drooping eye lid? My mother has that. It's never really bothered her. It looks like she has two different eye lids.
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Tesla on December 19, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
Are you referring to a drooping eye lid? My mother has that. It's never really bothered her. It looks like she has two different eye lids.

Something like that, yet with the complication of a lot of itching in the eye and a bad history of healing after the surgery, with a lot of pain and one visit to the ER for extracting something (I ended with a blister there). At least he could have gotten closer to me and check how it looked there. Combined with heavy eyelids and a los of saggy skin there, the effects can be maximized from time to time. He checked that the muscles worked properly, but... In the end it is a weak muscle that loses strenght over time. The answer was that it could be overcorrected if touched.

If I follow the road to the end (with FFS), it will be needed anyways with the blepharoplasty (something I was already checked and considered a good candidate), so I guess I'll have to wait.
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Nicolette

#9
I'm going to take a closer look at my mother's eyes tomorrow. I think she also has a weepy tear gland in that eye which makes it look like she's crying when she's not.

I can't imagine the drooping being difficult to correct with minor cosmetic surgery.
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Jamie D

Quote from: Apple Seed on December 19, 2012, 12:32:01 PM
Sorry, but not gonna work today. I just came from the ofthalmologist today. 120€ lost just to hear "I only see 1 mm of difference, I am not going to operate on you. I can make you tests for Myasthenia gravis (Although I can tell you you don't have it), but you have to live with it."


Seriously... 1 mm?

http://i.imgur.com/nZExR.jpg


I can't let people take photos from me. And between the eye, the tilted nose and the asymmetric jaw looking at my reflection or a photo gives me full blown BDD again. I'm a freaking monster. What now if the maxillofacial surgeon tells me the same thing? "I won't operate you if you are not dying, you will have to live with it"


Being denied a correction to fix what makes you feel bad every day?

It will have to wait for the FFS surgeon, which will do the eye thing just for cosmetical purposes, but if I don't get the jaw correction, I don't know what will I do to keep living.

Apples, we have to have a laugh every now and then!  They say laughter is the best medicine, and when I am laughing, I feel better.

Try it!
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Tesla on December 19, 2012, 03:42:32 PM
I'm going to take a closer look at my mother's eyes tomorrow. I think she also has a weepy tear gland in that eye which makes it look like she's crying when she's not.

I can't imagine the drooping being difficult to correct with minor cosmetic surgery.

What pisses me is that he did not check or looked in depth. Usually it looks like an extra flap of skin in normal mode, a droppier eyelid in relaxed mode, but the problem is the weird sensation and itch, specially if I keep it up. The extra flap feels as if the skin was not connected very well to the muscle. Or maybe one eyeball is more recceeded or smaller and that's why it falls more.

I still have to do the Miasthenia Gravis tests, and they scare me a lot. I have a low chance of having it, but just in case. If I come clean of diseases, I will consider doing it outside the country. But first I need a decent check up before leaving, and that's what I did not get from this one.
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Nicolette

Quote from: Apple Seed on December 26, 2012, 06:15:34 AM
What pisses me is that he did not check or looked in depth. Usually it looks like an extra flap of skin in normal mode, a droppier eyelid in relaxed mode, but the problem is the weird sensation and itch, specially if I keep it up. The extra flap feels as if the skin was not connected very well to the muscle. Or maybe one eyeball is more recceeded or smaller and that's why it falls more.

I still have to do the Miasthenia Gravis tests, and they scare me a lot. I have a low chance of having it, but just in case. If I come clean of diseases, I will consider doing it outside the country. But first I need a decent check up before leaving, and that's what I did not get from this one.

Actually, I did ask my mother about her eye. I don't really notice it, but it does bother her. I didn't realise, because she's never truly complained much about it. She tolerates a lot of bigger stuff in silence. She doesn't like photos of herself because of it. She'd love to have it corrected. However, the droop has never compromised her identity as a woman.

I think the reason we hate photos is because we're so used to looking at our reversed reflections in the mirror and are accustomed and blinded to our asymmetries. The second we look at a photo, all those asymmetries pop out because the asymmetries are not in their expected locations. I could only tell I had a droopy lip when looking at photos, never in the mirror. Even my nose is offset to one side in photos.
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Apples Mk.II

#13
The worst part of the droppy eyelid is that it won't show up when you want, like in the doctor's check. Just now, If I am relaxing in front of the screen and not blinking a lot, I can feel it sliding slowly. I just need to go to a mirror for a nice surprise. In the consultation I have after the miastenia tests, I will show the photos.


Yup. During the week I was on HRT I pretty much forgot about the small imperfections, and though "I can live with that", but after stopping it and taking a frontal photo of me, it was like having a panic attac again. I can't spend too much time in front of a mirror. And the eyelid... Sometimes it is there, sometimes not. There are moments when it is impossible to se see it, and others (like this morning) where it takes some minutes to fully open.


In the end, I need to keep on a new SSRI and keep the emergency pill for "anxiety attacks" (I just had to take one after expending too much time in the mirror plucking my eyebrows.


Arrrgh. At least the HRT had its fair deal of good things. I was less worried about BDD, happier when I started to feel "the pain" on the nipples, I could sleep without waking up in the middle of the night... and no more nightmares covered in sweat.
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