Quote from: Seyranna on December 23, 2012, 09:10:52 PM


If only it was a joke... Saddening.

Quoted for truth.

Quote from: Isabelle on December 23, 2012, 10:50:56 PM
Quoted for truth.

Yeah, the sex based stereotypes in this thread are just...

I would simply take this approach instead:

Quote from: Ave on December 23, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
Yeah, the sex based stereotypes in this thread are just...

Ok, I agree that being submissive isn't something that is innately female. However, it's anyone's choice to be submissive or not (although, Peky, you could go without calling it feminine).

Also, we know that these are stereotypes, and we acknowledge that they're generalizations. You don't need to tell us. However, being politically correct 100% of the time makes people boring, especially when the generalizations are acknowledged as such and innocuous.

Besides, in US culture at least, there's a reason that some things become generalized (maybe because they're more popular among a particular demographic?). I've seen African American kids acknowledge that they find the stereotype of AAs and fried chicken to be funny, because they see it as being based in a grain of truth. I've also known Dominicans, myself included, that find the stereotype of overbearing Dominican moms to be funny since it's also engrained in some truth. Etc., etc. Of course, not all generalizations are true for everybody, but some are started in a base of moderate truth, and if most people of said demographic finds the generalization to be harmless and acknowledged as being a generalization, then can't we let it go under Ave's might radar?

It's more convenient to just call a group of actions by a generalized name, and none of the girls here are offended, so we can let it slide. Taking it seriously only makes you a proverbial stick in the sand. We've all belabored the point of gender-based stereotypes time and time again. Just let people have some entertaining discussions, please.

Of course, I apologize for coming across as harsh. 

Quote from: DianaP on December 23, 2012, 11:10:47 PM
Ok, I agree that being submissive isn't something that is innately female. However, it's anyone's choice to be submissive or not (although, Peky, you could go without calling it feminine).

Also, we know that these are stereotypes, and we acknowledge that they're generalizations. You don't need to tell us. However, being politically correct 100% of the time makes people boring, especially when the generalizations are acknowledged as such and innocuous. It's more convenient to just call a group of actions by a generalized name, and none of the girls here are offended, so we can let it slide. Taking it seriously only makes you a proverbial stick in the sand. We've all belabored the point of gender-based stereotypes time and time again. Just let people have some entertaining discussions, please.

Of course, I apologize for coming across as harsh. 

Hey it's cool, as long as you're aware clinging to these set gender performances don't do any favors to "gender dysphoria".

Didn't the medical treatment of transsexuality start as a means to eradicate gender non conforming people?

Quote from: Ave on December 23, 2012, 11:13:36 PM
Hey it's cool, as long as you're aware clinging to these set gender performances don't do any favors to "gender dysphoria".

Didn't the medical treatment of transsexuality start as a means to eradicate gender non conforming people?

I'll give you the second point, but I don't get the first.

Ave, I love ya', but I have to disagree.

I don't think anyone is clinging to anything. Some girls, trans girls included, just happen to sincerely enjoy certain activities that happen to fall under a generalization of females. I like shopping for nice outfits, playing with my stuffed animals, and baking cookies for my guy friends.

However, I also enjoy activities that fall under male generalizations. I can throw a knife, use power tools, play Super Smash Bros. Brawl on the Nintendo Wii, and choose a superhero movie over Twilight. (Yes, even Superman Returns.  )

My gender dysphoria stems from the incongruence of my physical//societal state and my inherent gender identity as a woman, not some stereotypes.

Seems I touched a raw nerve, eh? No harm intended.


I just truthfully disclosed an involuntary earth shaking mind shift. I did not choose those feelings, they just come in, and I welcome them.

I spent a great deal of time ponder them, I decided not to uproot them or fight them, but rather to embrace them and see where they lead me.

Yeah, I know they are so in discord with the feminist manifesto, and the American macho women, etc, but then again, I have never been know to follow but my own drum beat.

Well, Peky, none of us mind if you want to explore your feelings. We just don't like submissiveness to be labeled as a feminine attribute. No one's trying to make you follow anyone else.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on December 23, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
I would simply take this approach instead:

Thanks!  I identify with Capt. Janeway and Xena!  Gender stereotypes?  Really!

  Joelene

                                                 

Quote from: DianaP on December 23, 2012, 11:46:58 PM
Well, Peky, none of us mind if you want to explore your feelings. We just don't like submissiveness to be labeled as a feminine attribute. No one's trying to make you follow anyone else.

Frankly dear I do not give a damn what you or anybody else likes or dislikes. And since the concept of femininity is a social construct my definition of what is feminine or not is as valid as anyone's

Having said that, the fact that my mind shift seem to be hormone mediated, perhaps that feeling may be the natural biological ground state of the female mind.  More food for thought

It can be socially constructed or biologically innate, not both. 

Then again, I was just making a suggestion. No need to rip my head off about it.

Quote from: peky on December 23, 2012, 11:55:13 PM
Frankly dear I do not give a damn what you or anybody else likes or dislikes. And since the concept of femininity is a social construct my definition of what is feminine or not is as valid as anyone's

Having said that, the fact that my mind shift seem to be hormone mediated, perhaps that feeling may be the natural biological ground state of the female mind.  More food for thought

Oh shush

I think is totally inappropriate  to criticize a deep personal revelation as "politically incorrect." And you were not the only one to do so.

To be fair, I didn't criticize your revelation as "politically incorrect." I IMPLIED (never directly said) that stereotyping in general is politically incorrect, yet forgivable in particular circumstances.

I think it is time this thread had a rest, there is an undercurrent of personal attack and I'm getting sick of it.

Civility please; if you have a problem report it to a Mod.

I have unlocked this but I will hammer anyone who breaks ToS.

I guess today would be that moment, I am watching LOR1 or 2 - not sure which- the tele and then theres the part with the the fights and I actually start cringing in front of my dad and then grab the remote and ask my "do you wanna watch this?" 

It's funny - cause although I still like destroying stuff in games - my tolerance for it not as much as it used to be.

Reading this thread made me realize there have been a lot of subtle changes in the way I think - and I am glad to be able to post on it.

I don't think I've really had a difference in how I react to things. What I have had is a bit of a personal understanding that things that I previously thought were feminine or masculine aspects to myself are really just myself (without the gendering label). So if I had a mind shift, I guess it would be to drop the labels.

I'm still in the "it's-difficult-to-use-female-pronouns-on-myself" stage, so I can't say there has been any severe mind shifts. But I do have to say that coming out as female and wearing female clothes, makeup blablabla is giving me a peace of mind that I never felt before. I feel it's getting better everyday.

Well, I don't think it's a shift of the mind so much as the ability to actually express my actual thoughts.