Quote from: Phoeniks on December 26, 2012, 04:45:55 AM
Well that's just harsh, dude. People have the right to call their body parts with whatever names they want to. Especially if that makes them feel better. I don't think anyone here needs others telling them "well, in the end you just have boobs".

I read it as a bit abrupt at first as well, but I see another side to this. They are just that, and not horrible cancerous tumors that can kill you. So it's mentally devastating at times, but us cancer-free guys should pause for a moment and see the bright side- they're made up of healthy tissue, and that's one less war to wage.

Because that's what all of us really are here. We're warriors, fighting with bodies and family expectations and the world. And we're here to band together and kick some major butt 

Quote from: Phoeniks on December 26, 2012, 04:45:55 AM
Well that's just harsh, dude. People have the right to call their body parts with whatever names they want to. Especially if that makes them feel better. I don't think anyone here needs others telling them "well, in the end you just have boobs".

I agree, it was harsh and insensitive (yet true) but was thrown out there with a point. Someone can't on one hand say "I'll call them what I want" and on the other hand dictate what someone else calls them. Call them tumors and I'll point out they're really just tits. Simple as that. Incivility breeds incivility.

People have the right to use whatever terminology they wish.  Likewise others have the right to disagree with that terminology.  I don't agree with the "just snap out of it" attitude at all.  It's easy for some to tell others to stop "whining" and to be offended by what they perceive as unnecessary feelings of hopelessness at "trivial" concerns, but at the end of the day, no one here sees through the eyes of another nor have they walked a mile in another's shoes.  IMHO suffering is subjective and I personally dislike attitudes that suggest others have no "right to complain" because "they don't have real problems".

I really wish I had chest cancer or cancer 'down there'. Then they had to remove them and if they didn't I would die and everything would be good cause it wasn't suicide.

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Someone please hit me for that comment  . If I die then people in Denmark have one person less to fight for trans rights.

Quote from: Sparrowhawke on December 27, 2012, 07:39:03 PM
I really wish I had chest cancer or cancer 'down there'. Then they had to remove them and if they didn't I would die and everything would be good cause it wasn't suicide.

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Someone please hit me for that comment  . If I die then people in Denmark have one person less to fight for trans rights.

No, you don't wish you had cancer "down anywhere" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastasis

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 27, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
No, you don't wish you had cancer "down anywhere" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastasis

Thank you for hitting me. I know I don't want cancer, but I don't have any options.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 27, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
No, you don't wish you had cancer "down anywhere" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastasis

Quoted for truth. Often I have wished for something to happen that would medically require removal of the offending body parts, but really, all of us who are alive and well should be very thankful for that. We must stay strong in order to fight this battle.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 27, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
No, you don't wish you had cancer "down anywhere" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastasis

Devlyn, they speak about things that they know nothing about. It's easy to say you want to die until the possibility is there and you have to fight to live.

For the record, I have never said people's struggles are trivial or what not. People have a tendency to piss and moan. It is human nature. If it makes someone feel better to do so then so be it but I'm not going to coddle or be sympathetic.

If being trans is the absolutely worst thing that has happened to you in your life you're lucky. Does being trans suck? Yes, it does but it is something you have the power to alter. No, it never goes away but we all have the power to get to a point where we are comfortable with ourselves.

I find it sad that the ftm threads are full of whining. The women in the mtf threads look for answers and solutions. Shouldn't we be doing the same? Guys I don't want to come off as a jerk because anyone who truly knows me can attest that I am not. It is sad to see guys talking about giving up. You don't know where your story will end. You have to keep fighting. It is going to get better.

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
Devlyn, they speak about things that they know nothing about.

I know what cancer is and I don't want it. Did you even read my last comment?

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:02:18 PMIt's easy to say you want to die until the possibility is there and you have to fight to live.

That is what I'm going through right now. I'm fighting for trans rights in my country, but I'm unsure if I can survive for that long.

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:02:18 PMFor the record, I have never said people's struggles are trivial or what not. People have a tendency to piss and moan. It is human nature. If it makes someone feel better to do so then so be it but I'm not going to coddle or be sympathetic.

Fine by me. I'm sorry my first post came of as whining. It was more of a rant and nothing else.

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:02:18 PMIf being trans is the absolutely worst thing that has happened to you in your life you're lucky. Does being trans suck? Yes, it does but it is something you have the power to alter. No, it never goes away but we all have the power to get to a point where we are comfortable with ourselves.

Excuse me? Have the power to alter? Lucky? What? Did you read any of the post where I said that wasn't an option? Have you? would you kindly read this: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,130440.0.html. I lost my education because I nearly committed suicide because of it and now I'm afraid that will happen again if I continue my education. That sure is lucky.

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:02:18 PMI find it sad that the ftm threads are full of whining. The women in the mtf threads look for answers and solutions. Shouldn't we be doing the same? Guys I don't want to come off as a jerk because anyone who truly knows me can attest that I am not.

I think it has something to do with E. E makes most guys feeling going ape->-bleeped-<-. I don't think of you as a jerk. You are a little generalising and hash, but that's it. 

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:02:18 PMIt is sad to see guys talking about giving up. You don't know where your story will end. You have to keep fighting.

I'm in conflict with myself. Part of me want to give up and die the other part of me wants to fight and change laws. I think the suicidal part of me might go away if I had less E or something. If someone knows how to make the suicidal me go away (without T as the only way I can get that is if I get it illegally) please tell me. It is really annoying.

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:02:18 PMIt is going to get better.

For me it have actually gotten worse. I do hope it will get better, but if my country continue to ->-bleeped-<- on its people it will only get worse.

Nope, I sure don't know how to make the "suicidal you" go away. I can tell you that I was suicidal at one point in my life and it is a deep hole to dig yourself out of. I will use the old cliche' because it is true "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". You do have the power to change your life...regardless of the Dutch government. If that was not the case you wouldn't be saving up for top surgery as there would be no point in doing so (so how is there no option for you?). There are plenty of Countries (mine included) that do not fund SRS or HRT for transsexuals. It sucks but it is what it is.

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
Nope, I sure don't know how to make the "suicidal you" go away. I can tell you that I was suicidal at one point in my life and it is a deep hole to dig yourself out of. I will use the old cliche' because it is true "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". You do have the power to change your life...regardless of the Dutch government. If that was not the case you wouldn't be saving up for top surgery as there would be no point in doing so (so how is there no option for you?). There are plenty of Countries (mine included) that do not fund SRS or HRT for transsexuals. It sucks but it is what it is.

I'm saving up for top surgery in another country, but in my country only there is no legal options. I was thinking about getting T illegally, but then I would loose my mom's support and something could go wrong.

I'm just so angry that my country was the first to make a sex change, but now they are one of the worst country in the eu to be trans in.

Quote from: Sparrowhawke on December 27, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
I'm saving up for top surgery in another country, but in my country only there is no legal options. I was thinking about getting T illegally, but then I would loose my mom's support and something could go wrong.

I'm just so angry that my country was the first to make a sex change, but now they are one of the worst country in the eu to be trans in.

I thought in your Country you're being denied because they only give things to trans people who fall into the binary guidelines and that is the requirement? That is more than what we have here.

I'd do whatever I had to if it meant I would get government funded SRS. I've told you before...who you are is none of their business. Who you love/are attracted to is none of their business.

...the government just set up loopholes. You can play their petty game and get what you need. I don't understand why you're so adamant that they will help you by accepting you for you. Screw them...play their little game and get what you need out of them.

Quote from: Simon on December 27, 2012, 09:14:35 PM
I thought in your Country you're being denied because they only give things to trans people who fall into the binary guidelines and that is the requirement? That is more than what we have here.

I'd do whatever I had to if it meant I would get government funded SRS. I've told you before...who you are is none of their business. Who you love/are attracted to is none of their business.

...the government just set up loopholes. You can play their petty game and get what you need. I don't understand why you're so adamant that they will help you by accepting you for you. Screw them...play their little game and get what you need out of them.

They are not going to treat me as long as I'm under 18 so there is no reason for me to go in there before that. Still I'm not sure that will help me. They can say that they will not treat you if you had a dress on when you where 14 or something. It's not that I'm not going to try because I will, but more that I'm unsure if it will work.

Also what country do you live in?

I'm in the USA where there are resources available only if you have money. I'm sure some guys live near clinics that help with therapy/hormones but they're far and few between.

I advise you to wait until you're 18 and then go for it. They'll only know what you tell them. How else would they know if you wore a dress at 14? Loose lips sink ships, lol.

I don't know how long it is 'til you are 18, but hold off on the despair until you have actually been in contact with whatever gender clinic you will have to deal with. You say they will not treat you until 18, but what about the evaluation that comes before any actual treatment? Can you get started on that sooner? After all they probably take their sweet time before they make a decision whether a patient is "worthy" of treatment or not.