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What ways does androgyny affect you?

Started by Kendall, June 01, 2007, 01:52:20 PM

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What areas is, might, or will be important to you of a possible adrogynic influence? (Vote more than one answer, as many boxes as you want, whatever feels right. Come back and change your votes at any time.)

Gender Identity: you are a non polar gender person.
36 (94.7%)
Gender Biology: you have or desire mixed sexual anatomy.
26 (68.4%)
Communication style: you do or wish to have mixed gender communication styles or voice sound.
33 (86.8%)
Socially: you do or wish to relate to others as a non polar gender person.
37 (97.4%)
Clothing: you do or want to dress in mixed or neutral clothing.
38 (100%)
Intimate Relationship: you do or wish to be involved in a romantic relationship in a non polar way or manner.
31 (81.6%)
Character: you do or want to have characteristics that are androgynous.
40 (105.3%)
Values and Virtues: you do or want to have goals and values that are universal and without gender limit.
36 (94.7%)
Religion or Beliefs: you do or want to belong to a group of people with beliefs that support your androgynous beliefs.
12 (31.6%)
Gender Roles: you do or want to allow yourself to doing mixed or undefined  gender role activities.
46 (121.1%)
Gender Behavior: you do or feel the urge to behave in mixed gender ways.
43 (113.2%)
Politically: you androgyny affects who you vote for and what issues are important to you in the political sense.
19 (50%)
Educational: your androgyny helps you and influences the types of knowledge and interests (or barriers you break) in your quest for higher learning.
25 (65.8%)
Literary: your androgyny influences what types of authors or stories you read.
15 (39.5%)
Hobbies, sports, or interests: your androgyny influences what types you do.
24 (63.2%)
Thinking: do you feel you think in a androgynous way.
38 (100%)
Career: do you feel it influences your occupation.
21 (55.3%)
Music, Movies, Entertainment
26 (68.4%)
Pronouns and Gender Referrences
24 (63.2%)
Science: Support or desire scientific information, tests, and research that may help explain or make androgyny understood scientific.
26 (68.4%)

Total Members Voted: 38

Kendall

I am making this poll just to see if there is a depth or breadth on how others feel their androgyny or androgynous feelings influences. This post may influence future posts I start. Answer more than one, up to as many of the boxes that you want. You come back and change answers at anytime, or add/subtract choices.

Others will no see your results, only numbers of votes, not who voted for what.

Feel free to talk about any of the choices, need for further choices, or how you feel about this poll.

Kendall
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Tay

I think that the biggest way that androgyny affects me, which I tried to express with my choices above, is that my hackles tend to rise every time I am referred to as a girl or as a guy.  Address me by name, address me in second person (you) and I'm fine, but once he/she/it and girl/boy come into play, I start to get irritated and lose patience with the person who is speaking.
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Pica Pica

I find it annoying when my born gender pre-conditions someone's reaction of me.
I am not male, so to treat me like one is a pain.
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Kendall

I added Pronouns and Gender Referrences also just now. So go ahead and select that one also Tay.
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Tay

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Kendall

Added Science as in supporting gender and possible androgyne type research or related research.
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Pica Pica

Oddly enough scientific knowledge about it doesn't interest me, its the social stuff which excites my tastes.
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Kendall

Science can also mean social or psychological scientists. Not just medical. In fact most scientific data would probably come from social and behavioral science. Research would be more analytical, testing, questionaires, and digging into androgyne lives.

But the scientific methods, logics, and ethics would dictate the testing and research.

One might volunteer for sessions as part of a research gathering paper or testing.
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Pica Pica

Ooo, that sounds good...i would read social studies. I would be happy to participate in them.
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Laurry

Hey Kendall

Maybe an "All of the Above" button?

Some comments:   

Gender Identity: To say I don't care would not be true, but after accepting my androgyny, it is not the most important thing in my life.  Once the questions were answered and things started making a little sense, it is just something I accept...like the color of my eyes or the fact that I am no longer young...not much you can do about it.

Gender Biology: I am comfortable with my male body, but can envision some breast enhancement in the future.

Communication style: OK, this one is currently very important to me.  I have decided to start developing a voice that works for either male or female.  I'll keep everyone posted on how his goes.
 
Socially: I would like to reach the point where I can relate to people in the way that works best, be it as male, female or androgyne, and would love to eventually be able to switch easily, at will.

Clothing: I'm not as interested in dressing androgynically (is that a real word and did I use it correctly?) as being able to take the best of both genders and mixing them in interesting and attractive ways.  Jeans and a T-shirt are pretty androgynic, but not really interesting or attractive.  (OK, I admit that the right jeans can change that statement.)
 
Intimate Relationship: Who doesn't yearn for a relationship where they can be themselves without fear of rejection or reprisal?   

Character: I don't care if I am acting as a male, female or androgyne...I tend to do all 3 at various times.  I just try to be true to my feelings and respectful of others, (except when that jerk cuts me off on the freeway...Grrrr!!)

Values and Virtues: We're supposed to have these?  Sheesh...I better study...quick!

Religion or Beliefs: I don't care whether they actively support my beliefs, as long as they accept them as genuine and don't condemn them.

Gender Roles: I tried to roll a gender once, but it kept tearing the papers...guess that's why they make pipes.  ;D 

Gender Behavior:  Guilty.  I do indeed behave in male, female and mixed behavior.  I like it, and have no plans to change.

Politically: I would have to admit that my transgender status has caused me to be more liberal on certain social issues.  Fiscally, I still think the government is too big and gets waaay too much of my money in taxes.  Guess you could say I was Politically Androgynous too!

Educational: Not sure I ever would have read about or researched transgender issues and behavior if I wasn't one.

Literary: I've always enjoyed reading "guy stuff" and "girl stuff".  Whether being an androgyne is responsible for that or not, I can't say.

Hobbies, sports, or interests:  Interesting mix on this one too.  Some activities I do appear to be predominately performed by men (golf, disc golf, fishing).  Other activities tend to be performed more by females (baking, shopping).  Funny, most of my female friends (contrary to stereotype) hate shopping, while I (born male) love it.

Thinking: What's that?  It sounds dangerous...better not do it at work.  :-*  Being a little fluid (or maybe a lot), I find that I sometimes think and act feminine, on a rare occassion I am completely male and most of the time, I just am...whatever that may be.

Career:  Not sure being an androgyne made much difference in my chosen career, but it does impact my employment.  I allow myself to only go so far in expressing my androgyny and/or femininity at work.

Music, Movies, Entertainment: For some reason, I relate to the Crying Game much more than I did years ago.  I also tend to seek out movies with transgendered themes, which I steadfastly avoided before accepting my androgyny. 

Pronouns and Gender Referrences: Not important to me at all right now.  Sometimes it bothers me, but it simply is not worth the effort of educating everyone...better to bang my head against a wall than try to teach a redneck to say zie.

Science: This is also a biggie for me.  Understanding the physcial and psychological reasons for being transgendered will help push society to accept us.  Besides, I've always been a geek, and science "floats my boat".

Sorry this ran on forever, but next time, you won't ask for comments, will you?

....Laurie
Ya put your right foot in.  You put your right foot out.  You put your right foot in and you shake it all about.  You do the Andro-gyney and you turn yourself around.  That's what it's all about.
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Intertween

I feel like I have a bi-gendered communication style. I have the female supportive conversation style: head nodding, uh-huhs, don't interrupt. But the broad generalization about gendered communication is that men do action talk and women do relationship talk. I'm an action talker; I don't do that relationship talk. Which affects me socially: I hang with the guys. I like to do the male "jocular sparring" (as the academics call it): "You look like crap! Did you sleep in that shirt?" = "Hey good buddy."

-- Sue
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Kendall

Thanks all so far for the votes. At 10 votes I am almost ready to do some preliminary posts.  I figure this because during the https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,9221.0/viewResults.html poll vote, votes slowed down around 15 votes. Although its up to 25 now, it took a really long time, several months, to move from 15 to 25. And the voting ranks stayed very close to the original amount at 15, percentage wise. So I think already the votes are pretty representative of an average already.

Thanks Tay, Pica Pica, Sue, and of course Laurie for the additional response and details. And as always your responses Laurie are very detailed and very informative and help chisel out many of the past informative posts I have made.

Feel free to change the votes, by removing your vote and revoting at any time, as long as you consider the vote your official and true answers. I do value each and every vote.

And like I mentioned before, dont feel pressured by anything these voting results "say". To me, it just is a tool to discuss and prioritize, and think about. And any of the results I actually hope that there will be opposing viewpoints, individuality, unique answers, alternative suggestions.

For after all, no one lives in boxes, no should follow strict controlled life rules that could be detrimental to one's sense of truthiness, open feelings and beliefs are encouraged. I myself never consider whats average when I behave how I do.

Kendall
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Lukas-H

First off I'd like to say, I know I'm quite new to this forum and have few posts, but believe me that I am reading a lot of stuff here and I feel incredibly relieved to finally be able to see responses from other people that I can truly relate to.

Gender Biology- A lot of the times there was a way I could truly be fluid about my bodily identity. Of course, the way I would like it to be is impossible and most likely never probable in my lifetime; but being able to switch my organs and appearance at will, from a female body to a male body, or even an adrogynic body would be of great importance to me. It would reflect my feelings at the time, which are fluid and never centered to one gender all the time. And I would still of course be me, the person I have always been, regardless of my body.

Socially, I wish people would relate to me by my name, and to not throw in gender-centered pronouns. I very obviously look female, and naturally that is what most people will refer to me as, whether I tell them to or not, but I really don't like it. Like Tay said, once he/she, boy/girl, man/woman comes into play, it bothers me, almost to the point of emotional exasperation. I desperately want to tell them "Just please use my name, I know I look like a female, but I'd rather you not refer to me as that". Because once you refer to me with a gender specific pronoun sometimes I just feel like I'm having all the "expectations" of that pronoun being shouldered onto me because of everything associated with that word.

Gender roles and behavior- I wish we could totally throw out both of these, it would make such a world of difference, and save so many people from feeling alienated and boxed in. I don't know how many times I've felt alienated by the female gender role and expectations and how I'm supposed to act. Because ever since I was little, I did both "boy" and "girl" things. I had barbies and I had an easy bake oven, I liked to dress-up; all of which are what little girls are "supposed" to do. But I also played with my brother's action figures, played video games, got dirty and played in the mud and did'nt care if my clothes got dirty, I always played with the boys if they'd let me. So, ever since I was little I did things of both genders, and I always considered myself as belonging to both sides. However, once I grew into my teens, I realized just how cruel the socially accepted gender stereotypes were to me; and others.

I don't want to be expected to do anything because of what my body looks like or how "girly" or how "boyish" I may be acting, or whether my likes or dislikes belong to one gender or another.

I also forgot to add, Sue mentioned that they felt they had a bi-gendered communication style. I feel I do as well. I like to talk on both sides of the spectrum. But it depends on who I'm talking to. With people I don't know when I'm often quiet, guarded in my responses, and more observant and less "chatty". But with close friends or people I feel comfortable with, I can be boisterous and playful, poking fun at them and taking their "poke-backs" with ease, etc etc. I can do "action" and "relationship" talk and enjoy both.

We are human, after all. -Daft Punk, Human After All

The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all. -Mulan
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Shana A

I also am very uncomfortable when people use male pronouns. It isn't just the pronouns, I think what bothers me on a deeper level is people putting me into the box labeled male, with all its assumptions and expectations. In a perfect, non discriminatory world, I would openly express my androgyny more with clothing and appearance. Interestingly, I'm never annoyed when people call me she or ms.

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Nando

In a relationship, I go for tall guys with some athletic body structure. Me being a guy also, I am short and act very shy in a relationship. I am the passive partner (or "the girl") in a relationship. I like being caring, but aggressive at sometimes.

Being genderqueer makes me feel extraordinary. I feel like I can wow people because I wear eyeshadow, but have a deep, masculine voice to come along with it. It actually gives me some sort of fear. I don't want people to fear me, but the aura that "you better not mess with me" is just plain neat. The pronoun "xe" also frees me from male stereotypes.

Also, being genderqueer makes me feel creative. I can do things to be "more than male" and not "less than male". As a painter and poet, putting on make-up puts me in a creative mood.
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Pica Pica

I've realised how being androgyne has affected me. It makes me feel not quite connected to people, nor to myself, which is a pity.
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Shana A

I just finally got around to voting, I checked 16 of the categories, so I guess most of them affect me and the choices I make in my life. As Laurie said, maybe there should be an all of the above  ;D I think the most important of them for me is identity, that colors how I perceive the rest.

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Kendall

If you havent seen, I have all the results up to today in order of highest vote to lowest at the https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,14143.0.html.
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Sylvia H

I tend to "rotate through being M, F, both, or neither. It seems to be cyclical. The both category is the most stressful as in can create a somewhat a sense of "lostness" temporarily. Like being at work whare I am supposed to be involved in and in charge of lot of technical details, but I feel like crying, because I heard a sad song at lunch. Just a conflict that is very hard to shake. Its not debilitating.


Sylvia H
I tend to "rotate through being M, F, both, or neither. It seems to be cyclical. The both category is the most stressful as in can create a somewhat a sense of "lostness" temporarily. Like being at work whare I am supposed to be involved in and in charge of lot of technical details, but I feel like crying, because I heard a sad song at lunch. Just a conflict that is very hard to shake. Its not debilitating.

The androgeny part of the cycle is is probably the least internal conflict.
Just my 2cents.

Sylvia H
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RebeccaFog

#19
   I am just realizing that most of my life I have been unconsciously referring to other people as 'they' or 'them'. I've never really been using gender specific pronouns in reference to others and I know I don't really like them to be used in reference to me.  I can handle it better now because I understand where the revulsion was coming from.

  Also, I think I have been choosing gender neutral clothing. Nothing specificall specifically masculine and nothing overtly feminine.

  Hooray for me! My self understanding advances. 
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