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Fantasy, Speculation, Time Travel and Cloning

Started by Elspeth, January 05, 2013, 05:45:32 PM

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Elspeth

Quote from: Ani on January 06, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
-Ani
Sorry, I don't see it!   An individual's life clock is always moving forward regardless of which when they are in.  In their time frame, each person moves from non-existence, to life, to non-existence.  If you visit another's time frame you are not changing that.

-Ani

I was assuming many of those interested in answering the questions would be aware of the various kinds of time paradoxes that show up in time travel stories, and would possibly exist if time travel turns out to be possible.

For example, going back to alter your younger self's life could have all kinds of consequences (many of them unpredictable) regarding your own lifespan and what you would do with your time, for example, if, instead of wasting time and taking on some of the self-destructive behaviors that tend to be common for many of us, one found a way to begin transitioning before the onset of puberty.

One of the implicit questions (among many) has to do with whether one would prefer to grow up in the period that they did, or would be willing to sacrifice existing memories and experiences for the possibility of starting out an otherwise similar life, only beginning at a time one might see as more tolerant, with better options, at least for some.

While I realize that some would see a clone as a completely different person, (and some have also raised the issues of how prenatal environment may affect or even cause the differences that lead to a TG identity)... to me, I tend to think that so much is determined by genes, that a clone of myself would most likely not be so very different from my current self, except that my clone might have had a better chance of being insistent about its female identity from a very early age. I remember considering getting more insistent. Perhaps my tendency to doubt would plague me in every instance of cloning, though? This is speculation, after all.

My tendency to doubt is probably part of the reason I tend to lean towards the fantasy of altering my present self's life course, rather than risking creating multiples who might wind up torturing themselves in the same ways I did, only spread across multiple timelines?

In my current state, the idea of living forever has never seemed very attractive. Maybe that will change if I get to a point where I am comfortable with the degree to which I'm able to transition and find a way of living that doesn't seem like it's so hugely compromised?

These sorts of feelings are part of why I decided to combine these various options, as a way of bringing out various feelings related to how we tend to view our own lives so far.
"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
- Sonmi-451 in Cloud Atlas
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Emily Aster

While it would be nice to go back in time and grow up as a girl, I'd have to wonder about all the stuff that would be totally different just from me not making the same decisions as before. I'd rather go forward in the future and possibility find a time when I can enjoy living as a woman for a much larger lifespan, but then again you run the risk of going too far forward and finding the world ended :) Guess the best choice is to just not do it.

EDIT: My grammar was so bad I didn't understand what I wrote either.
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Anatta

Quote from: Ani on January 06, 2013, 03:21:17 PM
Hmmm, getting sent rolling eyes...being led down some path here...

Perhaps I'm reading too much into your statement that time travel 'changes death as we presently know it'.  Given time travel, we can see the dead 'live' again.  If we ourselves have died someone from some other time can visit us, and we 'live' on for them, but in that when we aren't dead - nothing has changed for us. There's some Gibson book where the characters speak with a dead person whose consciousness has been stored in some construct.  Is that person dead, or does that construct change death as we know it?

-Ani

Kia Ora Ani,

In a short answer Yes and No....

I did have a longer response to the question but I don't think it would really go with the flow of this thread-Elspeth's intended purpose...It's an interesting thread BTW...Where one can exercise the imagination, stretching it to its limits [if there are any limits to ones imagination that is] ;)

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Ani

Zenda you're right.  Sorry Elspeth for going off topic...

Assuming time travel allows you to go to any 'when',  I'd go back to my younger self and give myself the option to return to the future with me, where I would raise myself as my own child and support/fund my younger self's transition in the more accepting world we have today!  Perhaps it would be better to go 20-50 years in the future where the world should be even more accepting.

If nothing else, if my younger self told me to "f***-off", I'd at least tell my younger self to always use sunscreen!   :laugh:

-Ani

P.S. Of course, this would be terribly unfair to parents who would lose one of their children.
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Elspeth

Quote from: Ani on January 08, 2013, 01:52:04 AM
Zenda you're right.  Sorry Elspeth for going off topic...

No apologies needed. This thread was designed to veer off into tangents! ;)
"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
- Sonmi-451 in Cloud Atlas
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