This is a bad pic because it's all blurry but you can see my ridiculously sexy jawline lol. Having a square jawline is by no means a masculine trait however even as a guy I was getting flattering comments about my jawline and now as a woman it's the same thing so I'm guessing it's in a happy middle.

This thread made me laugh 
good hair helps

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 09, 2013, 03:15:26 PM
well here is another of Amelie Marusemo, just standing there



Take away the long hair and she would look very boyish, it is all relative anyways, every human has different features, sometimes men are so feminine and androgynous as well.

wow she kind of looks like Tom Cruise in this photo, I just realized.

I think this is a great topic, I used to seek out pictures of women with certain masculine features for my "don't worry, you will pass" pep talks. Especially my broad shoulders and height, really get dysphoric about those and the only examples of those 2 are athletes (shoulders) and models (height), which aren't "typical" women anyway.

It's a good confidence booster nonetheless, helps break the cycle of (usually irrational) self loathing, once we realise that not all women are "typical"!

I think pretty & manicured feet and hands are more important than face looks.

good dress sense and quality lingerie all make up for a not so fem face.

And lets not forget a great personality and honest traits steal the show.

but who am i to say, i'm not trying to be a woman. but thats what interests my being.

there's nothing wrong with any of these ciswomen, as far as i am concerned masculine features are attractive on a woman to me.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the variety of human faces in general.

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Quote from: Jaime on January 09, 2013, 10:50:29 PM
I may be the only one, but I feel like this thread is just trying to point out what's wrong with various cis women you post to make yourself feel better. Doesn't leave me with a good feeling.

just sayin'

That is entirely a matter of perspective.

I don't think everyone is saying they look bad or that it's wrong. On the contrary, I for one, am highlighting that beautiful women come in all shapes and sizes and is a spectrum of masculinity and femininity.

A ciswoman having masculine features is no less wrong than a cisman having feminine features, only because we hate masculine features we see it as negative. Or vice versa.

For me it's encouraging, obviously it's a lot more than a single thing that makes someone passable or not, to be honest IT'S A LOT of things and usually not just physical but you have to be realistic nonetheless.

These ciswomen aren't typical, that's the point, to learn to accept that it's OK to not be typical and you can be much happier with yourself.

Quote from: Jaime on January 09, 2013, 10:50:29 PM
I may be the only one, but I feel like this thread is just trying to point out what's wrong with various cis women you post to make yourself feel better. Doesn't leave me with a good feeling.

just sayin'

If you read the posts you will see the main thing said is she is still pretty with boyish features.

A square face is one of the common face types of women.  I've got a square face and certainly never had any problems.  I've used the site below to help choose a hairstyle when I went back to short hair.  Just do a Google on all the fashion sites around.  Millions of them.

http://www.short-hair-style.com/hair-styles-for-square-faces.html

Also, an inverted triangle body type is a common body shape for women for those worried about broad shoulders, narrow hips.

http://www.shopyourshape.com/body-shapes/invertedtriangle-body-shape.html

Women's face and body shapes are many and varied.  It'd be boring if we all looked the same 

  All human beings are beautiful. And we are very lucky we are all diffrent.   

Quote from: Serena Lynn on January 09, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
So this young lady has been in the new A LOT of the last 24hrs. I guess she is the girlfriend of Alabama QB and is Miss Alabama. So many people have said that she is drop dead gorgeous and I agree. Looking at her facial structure made me smile. I think she has a very "boyish" jaw. This is proof that no woman is a-like and there is beauty in every facial shape, and structure. So love yourself; Your beautiful.   

Haha! When we were watching the game I rewound to her first camera shot and creepy ole Brent was going on and on about her beauty and my wife and I commented on her "boyish" facial structure.  Her hands are similar with long hands and fingers too.  I'm tall, skinny and a brunette with a jaw line and face like hers but with enough femme features i could pull it off and would probably end up looking something like her (not saying as beautiful, though several that have seen me say I'm pretty) when I transition.

Needless to say, I was super encouraged!

You go girl 

This thread gave me confidence. I've been having problems with the person at the other side of the mirror lately, and seeing beautyful ciswomen in the masculine spectrum of facial and body proportions helps me.
Maybe I'm just superficial, but passing is an important aspect of transition for me.

Quote from: Alex_K on January 10, 2013, 08:03:52 AM
This thread gave me confidence. I've been having problems with the person at the other side of the mirror lately, and seeing beautyful ciswomen in the masculine spectrum of facial and body proportions helps me.
Maybe I'm just superficial, but passing is an important aspect of transition for me.

Passing is an important part of transition, and while it is a superficial pursuit, it is certainly not a trivial one. It severely impacts our confidence, self-esteem, and happiness when we don't pass. Not passing also makes daily life less safe in that we are more vulnerable to discrimination, bullying, and violence when people can tell that we're trans.

It's important to not let thoughts of passing and not passing consume you, but to think passing is or should be a small factor is to not give it the emphasis that it deserves.


And yeah, the jaw is usually not a huge factor in passing. The forehead, nose, and chin have more impact on whether a person is perceived as male or female. Jaws come in all sizes, even (or especially) on women, but foreheads and chins are less varied, and while noses are probably as variable as jaws, they are in the centre of the face as opposed to the back and sides. Noses affect the balance of a face more than jaws do.

It is always good to be reminded of the natural variation of the female face and its features.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 09, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
what about Brigitte Nielsen? She has a boy jaw too Or Brooke Shields?

Aren't they both also 6 feet tall or taller? Working from memory here.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 09, 2013, 08:59:06 PM
wow she kind of looks like Tom Cruise in this photo, I just realized.

I am so tempted right now to play with these images in photoshop.

Quote from: wave on January 10, 2013, 08:01:17 AM
You go girl 

My reply seems a bit arrogant after reading it again, I am not as gorgeous as she is, not by a country mile! I just meant to say long, slender with some prominent features shouldn't be a hindrance to our transitions!

Quote from: Elspeth on January 10, 2013, 08:51:56 AM
Aren't they both also 6 feet tall or taller? Working from memory here.

Yes they are, another reason to show you that tall is beautiful just as much as small

Gabrielle Reece is 6'3"

I hate to be a party pooper, and, please, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this thread (plus reading a thread is just like watching a TV show: if you don't like it just change the channel), but: are we really defining womanhood by a certain body part?

It's like this apparent obsession with breast size and b cups, c cups, etc. A c cup won't make you more of a woman, and a double a won't make you any less. Women come in all different shapes and sizes. Your inside determines who you are: hormones, SRS, FFS will only make your looks confirm more to the accepted societal standards, and will also very likely help your inside show through, but they won't change your inside.

About the square jaw thing: I don't see how that would be a masculine trait: many women have it. And many of these "squared jawed" women are considered both beautiful and attractive.

Once again, nothing against this interesting thread.

Andrea

PS Mauresmo is a very well known butch lesbian who does not really associate with the traditional female world