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rachdal1961

I am very interested in hearing people's stories of denial to help me understand my own. Denial is so mysterious and powerful.

This can also serve as my introduction as this is my first post here.

My story is this. I realized I was a transgendered in my mid-twenties. I cross-dressed, occasionally went out to clubs, and feminized my daily appearance so much that I was occasionally addressed as a woman. Then, I fled the violent inner city area I had been living in for a smaller, safer city and a new life. This was a radical and terrifying change.  I was in a new city, I did not know anyone (just some family), I was unemployed, I was suffered from severe clinical depression and anxiety, and I had to face going into rehab for drugs and alcohol. I could not also deal with being transgendered. So, I purged my life of everything—clothes, cosmetics, books, etc—and focused on becoming sane. It broke my heart, but I repressed that too. Eventually, I went into complete denial—it had just been a "phase" or "whatever."

Jump forward 20 years. I have many years of sobriety, I have a good government job, and am completely financially stable, I have a wonderful wife, and I have been on meds that have minimized my anxiety and depression. I feel I am stronger and happier than I ever have been. Then, one day, I am reading a silly romance novel (first time ever—really!). It is narrated in the first person by the female protagonist. I start feeling very weird: I am getting knots in my stomach, my breathing is shallow, and I have pressure in my head. Why? I analyze this. I realize I am completely identifying with the female character in this romance—and then the veil lifts. I see that I am a woman inside and always have been and always will be. I settle deep into my soul and I know that I will never be moved from it again. I am more at peace and full of joy than I knew was possible. I had come out of a trance and into reality. Since then, I have come out to my doctor and wife. My doctor referred me to a psychiatrist who specializes in gender issues. My wife seems to be doing as amazingly well. I have found resources in the local GLBT community, and I have a transgendered therapist. Of course, now my "stable life" has become very complicated.

What I am interest in hearing from others who have experienced denial is:
1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?
2.   How long?
3.   What happened that you come out of denial?
4.   How are you now?
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suzifrommd

Welcome to Susan's, Rachdal.

Great questions. One thing that really resonated with me in your story is that finding that I identify with female characters in books helped me realize I was trans. I find myself devouring books written for women and uninterested in those written for men.

Here are my answers:

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?

Never had that word for it, but I've known since my teen years that I wish I'd been born a woman and wish I could live a female life. I think deep down I knew it was somehow associated with the people who changed their sex, something I wished I could do.

But I heard too much of the "woman trapped in a man's body" narrative, and I never thought I WAS a woman, just that I really, really, wanted to be one, so I didn't think that applied to me. I never wanted to play with dolls, wear dresses, etc. as a kid so I figured no one would ever let me change my sex.

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
2.   How long?

Well it wasn't like I was fighting battles with myself. I knew I could never be a woman so that was that until last year at age 50.

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
3.   What happened that you come out of denial?

After 30 years of not fitting in socially with men and having it be harder and harder to make female friends, I finally decided I wouldn't be happy unless I figured out why I didn't fit in. My explorations led me to this site and to a gender identity support group. There I met a lot of trans women and I learned two things. First, that my feelings were very similar to theirs. Second, that they were ordinary people (don't know what kind of people I expected...). If they could transition, so could I.

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
4.   How are you now?

Well I'm planning to go full time this summer. I'm thrilled at the possibility of living like a woman, unhappy at the fact that it's making things hard on my family and nervous and anxious about whether I'll be accepted on the job and whether I'll be able to manage living as a woman with an essentially male body. I have an appointment next week, hopefully to start HRT.
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JoanneB

I really came to love denial. Life was so much simplier in those good ole days

1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?
I had my first inkling of knowledge around 4-5 when I first put on my sisters clothes. Not a good idea for a 4 y/o in 1960. I guess full denial came in my late 30's after I twice tried and abandoned transition in favor of "normal". Normal was not a typical normal life either. I did allow myself the occassional cross-dressing. I never had a classic purge. I guess I always knew it wasn't going to go away
2.   How long?
I had a good 30 year run. A life filled with tons of diversion, distractions and some denial got me through. I never had time to and for myself. Even the cross-dressing stress-relief went from an average of once a month to never. Too many other things that HAD to be done. My life went on the back burner
3.   What happened that you come out of denial?
What changed everything was my life going to pot. I had lost my job 4 years ago. Found work some 350 miles from home where my wife still is standing guard. Work is totally underutilizing me. Gone was my Number 1 diversion and distraction from "it", followed by being alone. Stuffing my face with food and booze only made me feel worse. What shook me to my foundation then was all I worried about was not being able to fit into my fem clothes
4.   How are you now?
A very open ended question. I've been all over the map. Directly addressing the trans issue led me to finding a fantastic TG group. I lost a lot of the shame, as well as some of the guilt. When your life is very much intertwinned with anothers guilt comes easy. I know this is a terrible strain on her. "This" being how I've been living as a female outside of work as much as I can. To the point of achieving my life long dream of being seen as and accepted as a woman. Naturally I totally freaked out at that point.

The past year since that freak out has also been up and down. It took about 3-4 months to recover from that. 3-4 months later my wife wound up in the ER presenting with a stroke that turned into an anxiety attack and bad reaction to her new meds. Three guess who took full credit for the anxiety attack. Now I am totally overwhelmed with to-do lists between two homes as well as a near crippled wife some 350 miles away. The simple solution is to shut-down. Heading back towards deep denial once again.

Not a good answer since I doubt my liver is up to it  :'(
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Elspeth

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
Jump forward 20 years. I have many years of sobriety, I have a good government job, and am completely financially stable, I have a wonderful wife, and I have been on meds that have minimized my anxiety and depression. I feel I am stronger and happier than I ever have been. Then, one day, I am reading a silly romance novel (first time ever—really!). It is narrated in the first person by the female protagonist. I start feeling very weird: I am getting knots in my stomach, my breathing is shallow, and I have pressure in my head. Why? I analyze this. I realize I am completely identifying with the female character in this romance—and then the veil lifts.

I have to wonder whether denial is really what you mean here?

It strikes me that at some level you both recognized yourself early on, but pushed the issues into a compartment, in part because you were fairly realistic (though also fearful) about the practical impacts? It's not as though our society is structured to endorse or assist transwomen (or transmen) to identify and accept themselves, and the conventional treatments and options are none of them perfect... they all come with costs and tradeoffs.

As a study of society, I'm sure that an account documenting similar stories, timelines and coping strategies would be interesting and possibly move the dialogue onward. I'm not sure how beneficial it would be for the individuals telling the accounts, except as catharsis. I've given these answers in bits and pieces in the past. Maybe later on I'll decide to organize them in the order you're asking, but to some extent, at the present moment I'm feeling like I need to take a break and get some more of the real work done... making concrete plans to transition, work out other practical problems, and so on.

I'm going to try to answer briefly anyway, though.

Quote1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?

Age 3. Maybe younger. Didn't get much sign that family were going to support that, and learned not to talk about it much, but never learned not to show it. Usually it was interpreted as a sign I was gay, with predictable attempts to fix me, none of which did anything except possibly teach me to put on an act. Learned transsexuals existed around age 10 (and that it was the closest thing to a description for me, except that I felt attracted more to women than men, though I imagined that had a lot to do with the sort of abuse I received from men throughout childhood and teens.

I also rationalized that, given their emotional reactions, all other men were just hiding their envy of women, and that I was just the only honest person in the world. This made it relatively easy to reject Mormonism, especially when the sexual control stuff started to enter into the picture more and more, as most of the hooks they tried to use on me didn't ring true or lead to the anxieties they seemed designed to provoke.

Quote2.   How long?

I wouldn't say I was ever in denial, but, while I detested having a male body, I felt for a long time it might be best to adapt and do what I could with it. I didn't imagine I'd ever get married, but after being in the Army for a few years, a lot of people of both sexes tended to come onto me, and for the first time in my life I met a woman assertive enough to take my virginity. I'd always wanted to be a mom at home with kids, and she was on track to become a doctor... it seemed likely that I could get my wish, so I continued in that relationship, being open (I thought) about how I felt, without putting too many labels on it. Eventually, though, I realized I had left too much ambiguity and needed to be more specific. Anxiety and fear that I would seek to transition more or less destroyed the relationship after we had two children, to whom I was primary caregiver and homemaker for their first years, to age 8 and 6.

Advice from a therapist led me to put off transition until they were older, which is where we are now. Practical issues remain a problem, because I spent much of the past 10 years in fairly deep depression, as I had no desire to divorce, and felt that many of my insights had been delusions, which made completion of the manuscripts I'd been working on before a major crisis of confidence. A fairly generous separation agreement also made it unnecessary for me to seek work in the outside world, so I spent most of this time being as close to my kids as possible, supporting them through school activities and so on, while my ex hired nannies and generated a certain amount of resentment from them, which I tried to minimize where I could, but at a cost of largely hiding much of what was going on for me.  A few months ago, after coming onto me for over a year, I had a very unsatisfying encounter  with someone and realized that even in hiding, I was not really safe, and that I was unlikely to ever get anything even approximating what I wanted unless I was as clear as possible about my identity, and started to move onto where I've wished I'd been since I can remember.

I really need to move forward now, but practically speaking there are big gaps in the practical plan. No health insurance, few income prospects unless someone offers an advance on one of my presently unfinished works of fiction, or some other gig comes along, dwindling savings that will (with luck) keep me afloat for maybe another 2 or 3 years, barring any major surprises.
"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
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breezy

I was in denial for much of my life until recently. As a child I always felt I was a girl and was constantly told that I wasn't. I played with the other girls whenever possible and shared many of their interests. As a teen I would cross dress secretly and once for Halloween but I got caught and punished by my Father for it. I was very confused as a teen and kept to myself. I decided to join the Army and went into the Infantry to make a man of myself. I had a tough time of it and kept my secrets to myself. My depression from keeping it all in was the hardest to deal with it. About 10 years ago, I just stopped being afraid and began to be more open about who I was. I was in a small town in Iowa, and on the City Council at the time. I was openly crossdressing off and on then. It was a bit difficult at times, as rural Iowa is very conservative. It wasn't until I moved to Florida that I felt more comfortable about coming out completly. I had some help through therapy and some very good friends. Everyone's story is different I'm sure. Its been over a year now since I've openly come out and 8 months since I changed my name. Much of my depression has melted away along with most of the fear. I have been accepted by most of friends and within my community. I am much happier for the most part, but there is still some sadness at times. There is a sort of silent grief for my old self Bryan that I left behind. He is still part of me, although now in the past. My decision to be open has however divided my family. My Mother has been very accepting, while my Father won't even acknowlege my new name. One Brother is distant, while the other remains neutral. I don't really have any regrets other than that I wish that I had come out sooner. Bree 
Peace & Love, Bree  :)
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Adam (birkin)

1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?

Well, I've always "truly" known, but I wasn't aware of the actual process of FTM transition until I was 18. I'd say at that point I was in sort of a limbo...I was researching transition the whole time, seeing what I could realistically do and expect, but at the same time, I was giving being a "girl" a final chance. I tried really hard to see if I could be happy just living as sort of an androgynous lesbian. I tried very hard to be happy with my body. It was really hard for me to admit to myself that I was male identified.

2.   How long?

After discovering the possibility of transition, about two years before I was able to make peace with it and accept it.

3.   What happened that you come out of denial?

I am not fully sure, but I'm fairly convinced it had something to do with my partner coming to visit for the first time. I remember snuggling with her and feeling just awful if she accidentally brushed her hand over my chest or something. It hit me then because I was with someone I was 100% comfortable with - someone I loved and trusted - and yet, I couldn't even feel OK being emotionally intimate with her because I was so uncomfortable. I think that being with her and being able to be open in so many other ways gave me space to see my dysphoria for what it was, independent of a lot of the things that made me uncomfortable in the world. I officially came out a few months later, which was no surprise to my partner as she had known for over a year already that I was struggling with it all.

4.   How are you now?

Sometimes, I wonder if in a way I am still in some form of denial. I'm extremely happy with HRT, and looking forward to having my surgeries, but there is that small part of me that still wishes there was a way I could be just a cis female. But that isn't because I want to be a woman, it's just because transition is so hard sometimes, and I have a hard time being proud and comfortable with myself as a man because my dysphoria is so bad still.
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Henna

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?
A full realization that I was transgendered was around the time when I was twenty, 18 to 20. Before that, I would think it as something like a slowly creeping feeling that just intensified and intensified. I can't really say that I would have understood anything about gender when I was a child, at least not consciously.

Unfortunately for me, I was raised as a very intolerant person and my father could be described as a biggot. He was the one that raised me. Thus, realizing that there is fundamentally something wrong with me and not knowing anything about transgender, it kind of set an self-destruct mode into me. Survived that, but it left me terrified about myself, thus I tried to suppress myself the best that I could.
Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
2.   How long?
Fifteen years, but my suppression or denial didn't really work completely. I would dress occasionally and there probably wasn't a day that I didn't think of myself and what to do. But just couldn't take a step forward, as I was afraid that my psyche just can't handle this.
Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
3.   What happened that you come out of denial?
We took a year off from work with my GF and went travelling together. There I had nothing else than time to think of myself and also after few months of traveling I could feel myself again so clearly, that I just decided that I cannot continue like this. I have to live my life the best that I can, otherwise there really isn't any point in this. Also during the year we met so many people, different kind of people and that also affected me on some level. Can't really say how, but kind of looking at others living in strange circumstances and still being happy...why can't I be happy?
Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
4.   How are you now?
Better, although I'm now kind of fighting with myself and feeling quilt of what I've done to myself during the past fifteen years. Torture is the best word that I can think of to describe it. Sometimes I feel really bad of myself, especially when I meet twenty year old transgender people, who can accept themselves and will live a much happier life than I did. Then I remember what I did to myself at that same age and I don't really like myself.
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Anna++

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?

I realized shortly into puberty when I noticed I was always a girl in my head.  I knew this wasn't normal, so I pushed everything into the back of my head and stubbornly refused to act on any urges.  I hoped it would eventually go away so I could go about my life as a normal guy.

Quote2.   How long?

11 (maybe 12) years.  I did do the occasional Google search to figure out why I think the way I do, and my brain usually tuned in to anything transgender related in the media during that time.

Quote3.   What happened that you come out of denial?

I entered a research phase towards the end of last summer and I came across the phrase "transition or die" and learned that that many people who try to ignore their TG thoughts can get depressed and suicidal.
I mentally compared this to how I handled a completely unrelated situation a few years ago that ended with a couple of weeks in the hospital (not all at once, unfortunately).  I noticed that I was already somewhat depressed, and I quickly decided that I need to deal with my problems this time rather than letting them continue to eat at me until something bad happens.

Quote4.   How are you now?

The last few months have definitely been better than the last few years, but I'm still completely terrified of how far everything could go.  I'm trying to get myself to go to a therapist, but I've never talked about my trans-thoughts out loud with anybody I know in real life so getting over this mental hurdle is really hard.  I've been trying to keep a journal of my thoughts instead, at the suggestion of some other people on this site.
Sometimes I blog things

Of course I'm sane.  When trees start talking to me, I don't talk back.



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ashley_thomas

From age 11 to age 27 it went like this, depression and GD induced self exclamation "I wish I was a girl!" then covered up by fear, bewilderment, peer pressure to conform, unsafe home environment which lasted until about age 17 when alcohol and some minor drug abuse started, then religion until age 20.  After that, love and marriage with a heavy dose of competitive drive to succeed which led to school and grad school and that got me to age 27.  With a career to envy and a prestigious job, I told my wife and we have been slowly transitioning together.  I'm 10 yrs in but no medical transition yet.  Too much to risk financially so I have to balance everything.  Denial sucks but it is meant to protect you from harm.  I'd say it sort of did that though in a deeply flawed manner that produced a whole other set of problems
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big kim

1)I was 21 when I realised I was transgendered and it wasn't going away.This was 1978 and attitudes towards trans people were bad.There was no anti discrimination laws and equal opportunities protection. I went into denial by thinking that because i had mainly girlfriends and just a few boyfriends it would be not for me.I was also convinced i would look horrible and thought you had to pass undetected.Difficult if you were a 6' 4 " biker!I occasionaly dressed but most of the time blotted it out by lots of bee, weed,bike, muscle cars and relationships with other damaged people .
2) Almost 11 years
3) I sought referral to a psychiatrist at the local hospital.I self medded and became less masculine with electrolysis and grew my hair and started living in role at night and socialising in the gay clubs as a woman.
$) Glad I did it wish I'd done it before in role 1991 had op in 1994. I've more confidence I  would never have been a bus driver or managed a guest house as a guy.
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FTMDiaries

Welcome to the family! :)

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?

I started telling my parents that I was really a boy from the age of 5, when I first realised that boys do 'this' and girls do 'that' - and everyone was lumping me in with those strange (but lovely) alien creatures known as 'girls'. My parents of course denied what I was telling them, said I was just 'going through a tomboy phase', and that I'd grow out of it. I kept telling them, over & over, but you can only tell someone something so many times - and be criticised, punished and ridiculed for saying it - before you learn to simply shut up & stop saying it. So I kept quiet, but became steadily more horrified at the changes brought on by puberty as the years passed.

I didn't hear about TG/TS people until I was 19, when I read a magazine article about Caroline Cossey. She described exactly the same feelings I had, except in the opposite direction. I finally had a name for what was 'wrong' with me and started to do some research - but the options for FtMs were abysmal back then so I felt I had no choice but to try to suppress what I was feeling and try to figure out some way of living my life as a 'woman'.

(Of course... many years later when I came out to my family, they said "but you never said anything about this while you were growing up!" Duh, I told you guys repeatedly right from the start... you just didn't believe me.)

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
2.   How long?

Between realising I'm male and starting to transition? 36 years. Between realising I'm transgendered and deciding that transition is a viable option? 21 years. During which time I moved continents, got married, and had two children - none of which helped me to figure out how to be a 'woman'. Oh, and being attracted to men didn't help either. Surely if I like guys, that must mean I really am a girl, right? (Wrong).

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
3.   What happened that you come out of denial?

Two things: firstly, I saw a newspaper article about a young teenage MtF who just started to transition around age 15. She was on hormone blockers to prevent male puberty, and seemed quite relaxed about the fact that she wouldn't have to undo the damage wrought by T. That brought back my horrible memories of being forced to go through female puberty, and my regrets at the damage it did to my body. Secondly, my youngest daughter commented that I'll be a 'little old lady' soon. I pictured myself as a little old lady in a retirement home, looking back upon my life - and I realised that I couldn't bear the thought of having wasted 70-odd years of life living a lie. I'd sooner kill myself than get to that point without having been true to myself. When ending it all sounds like an attractive option, you really need to rethink your life. So I did.

Like you, I used to go through phases of feeling horribly dysphoric, followed by phases of being able to ignore it so that I could try to get on with my life. The periods between attacks of dysphoria have become much shorter as the years have passed.

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
4.   How are you now?

Better, thank you. I'm much calmer within myself than I have ever been since I started noticing gender differences at age 5. Since changing my name I feel more validated in my identity, to the extent that I don't get as hurt as badly when I'm misgendered - I can make a joke of it now, instead of feeling like I want to burst into tears.





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rachdal1961

Thank you for all the great responces. I have a few thoughts to add that I wrote while reading them. I do not have time to put in all the quotes, so I'll just address each of you.

agfrommd,
I found the "woman trapped in a man's body" narrative confusing and still dislike it. I am female but will never be a woman even if I transition. I was not raised a woman. I was raised a man, socialized as a man, and have many of the annoying habits of a man. I will always be a trans woman, but never a woman.

Elspeth,
Your question about denial vs. compartmentalization is good. I suffered both. The decision I made was necessary then and in also retrospect. Like JoanneB said, there was too much to do. Life took me away from myself. In the interim, I still knew that I wished I had born a girl and that I felt more female than male. I just did not think about it. Also, it had become a purely intellectual thing. I had lost touch with any feeling of being female. I lost with myself, but I was so used to that anyway.

Breezy

I have tried to make a man out of myself too. I lifted weight and muscled up. I studied martial arts, even though I never enjoyed it much (I enjoy yoga now much more). I became a corrections officer, partly out of the idea that it would make me "man up." However, I never fit in with "the boys." I have never felt that I have been an adequate man, whatever that is.

Henna,
I tortured myself too. In my twenties I used to say "I look into myself and there is nothing there" and describe myself as "walking corpse." I loathed myself so much I slugged myself in the face and head with a palm fist until I was left bruised and hurting for days afterwards. This does not even include the depression, booze, drugs, suicide attempt, and dangerous situations I put myself in. I was put into a psychiatric hospital four times and landed in jail once. It all seems surreal now, like another person and another life. However, I can understand it all now in light of my gender identity. I am also terrified how it might go. Somehow, I want to make peace with myself on the inside without having to change the outside.

ashley_thomas
Yes, denial sucks but it did allow me to get on my feet. It is no coincidence that I came out when I did. I waited until I was strong enough to accept myself as transgendered, whatever might come. I have the emotional, psychological, and financial resources now to do whatever I have to do.

Thanks to you all, I am really looking forward to being part of this community.
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Elspeth

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 12, 2013, 05:01:11 AM
... there was too much to do. Life took me away from myself. In the interim, I still knew that I wished I had born a girl and that I felt more female than male. I just did not think about it. Also, it had become a purely intellectual thing. I had lost touch with any feeling of being female. I lost with myself, but I was so used to that anyway.

At least for the short term, this is such a tempting coping strategy, at least until it comes back to bite you later on. I can't fault anyone to taking it. Of the many ways we can act before coming to terms and moving forward, this one has far fewer physical harms from it, aside from the continuing damage that T will do to us as we avoid self-acceptance and vow to take the course we want or need to take.
"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
- Sonmi-451 in Cloud Atlas
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JoanneB

Quote from: Elspeth on January 12, 2013, 08:09:35 AM
At least for the short term, this is such a tempting coping strategy, at least until it comes back to bite you later on. I can't fault anyone to taking it. Of the many ways we can act before coming to terms and moving forward, this one has far fewer physical harms from it, aside from the continuing damage that T will do to us as we avoid self-acceptance and vow to take the course we want or need to take.
Short, or even long as in my case of 30 years. The size of the chunk taken out when you are bitten I am sure gets exponentially larger with time.  However I'm finding it totally ineffective now. I've seen the promised the land, got to run barefoot on the shore of the River Jordan, and then got swamped once again with a ton of "Have-Tos".

It is ironic how during those 30 years I relied on CD'ing as a means of getting through high stress periods. I recently tried th opposite, stuffing, as a means of getting through my current piled eye-ball high list of have-to's. No can do. I just feel totally miserable falling back into being that person I once was. Worse is falling back into low self-esteem, shame and guilt. Far worse the overwhelming sense of hopelesness and futility of my unending joyless life.

I know I need to keep at least one dream alive to emotionally survive. Even such as this weekend when I can finally present at my monthly TG meeting really means little to me. It pales in comparison to being out in the real world as the real me all day every weekend. I know I need to go for myself in spite of doing something for me always ending up on the bottom of every list. I don't want to fall back into being that person I was for the remainder of my life.
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hazel

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
1.   When did you realize you were transgendered and is so when and why did you go into denial?
Probably about 5 or 6, that's as far back as I can remember anyway, but I  can recall wishing that I could be socializing with the girls rather than the loud and messy boys. I also remember that my reaction to puberty and seeing other girls become woman was for me, unlike the other guys not a moment to feel lust but rather envy  ::)

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
2.   How long?
I kept having these wishes that I would wake up one day with my gender switched but even when I learnt that such a thing as transgender existed I still dismissed it as an impossibility. I was an incredibly introverted and socially awkward child (still am to some extent) so the idea of having a sex change and bringing all the ridicule and social stigma that came along with it upon myself was just unthinkable.

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
3.   What happened that you come out of denial?
Well I was never really in denial to myself, just suppressing the feelings because of fear, but two things I guess. I felt much the same way about the fact that I was gay. But once I moved out to go to uni, met new people and had the chance to lower my inhibitions through some drunk nights out  ;D I finally came out about that to someone and from then on telling more people was so much easier, today I don't care at all about telling strangers that. So with that done telling people about my trans side became slightly less scary. Plus I turned 25 recently, assuming I live to be 75 that's one third of my life over and done with! That put my fears in perspective, I'm not happy like this, and going on for another 50 or so years as a guy now seems more horrible than my fears.

Quote from: rachdal1961 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
4.   How are you now?
Mixed, joining this forum and getting feedback on my chances to pass (overwhelmingly positive) have made me feel so happy lately! like this really could happen, but then it's almost a tease because I still haven't got the guts to come out about it in real life yet :( plus apparently in England on the NHS you have to be full time before you can get any help from them. The thought of dressing up girly pre hrt so that I stick out is too much right now, and I can't afford private now either :/
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Elspeth

Quote from: hazel on January 12, 2013, 09:31:41 AM
... it's almost a tease because I still haven't got the guts to come out about it in real life yet :( plus apparently in England on the NHS you have to be full time before you can get any help from them. The thought of dressing up girly pre hrt so that I stick out is too much right now, and I can't afford private now either :/

Are there any local support groups that might be able to help you with that? I know as an introvert I was also (and to some extent I still am) nervous about such groups, but they could serve as at least one way of getting over the nerves. Combine shyness, introversion and crippling perfectionist tendencies ("I don't want to present as a woman until I am entirely passable, until no one can ridicule me, etc.) and I could have waited forever. In fact, my son's coming out may have been the only thing that managed to bring me to come out in my now mostly unpassable state... all I can say is that it was a huge relief, and while I was sure there were some that I freaked out, my real friends there were nothing but fantastic in affirming that I looked so much happier, and they could now see the real me that had long been hidden, supressed and in fact a big source of a lot of that shyness and introversion.

Find some place you can trust to be out with at least some people as a first baby step. You very well may find that after you get over that barrier, it will become much, much easier to present in public with total strangers, and stop letting their assumed prejudices control your life. It is your life, not theirs.

No matter who you see for dealing with transition, the Benjamin Standards are still influential, so you will almost certainly need to go trhough an awkward stage of transition, where you don't have the benefit of HRT and other things that may boost your confidence, but will not by themselves guarantee that you are presenting as female. And you can have the debates about gender binaries and all the rest later on, as you are making progress getting on with your life.
"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
- Sonmi-451 in Cloud Atlas
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Elspeth

Quote from: JoanneB on January 12, 2013, 08:42:49 AM
It is ironic how during those 30 years I relied on CD'ing as a means of getting through high stress periods. I recently tried th opposite, stuffing, as a means of getting through my current piled eye-ball high list of have-to's. No can do. I just feel totally miserable falling back into being that person I once was. Worse is falling back into low self-esteem, shame and guilt. Far worse the overwhelming sense of hopelesness and futility of my unending joyless life.

I know I need to keep at least one dream alive to emotionally survive. Even such as this weekend when I can finally present at my monthly TG meeting really means little to me. It pales in comparison to being out in the real world as the real me all day every weekend. I know I need to go for myself in spite of doing something for me always ending up on the bottom of every list. I don't want to fall back into being that person I was for the remainder of my life.

I want to respond to this in depth, but right now, most of me just wants to cry and give you a hug.
"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
- Sonmi-451 in Cloud Atlas
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spacial


Is denial to ourselves or others?

If it's to ourselves, I don't really believe any of us can do that.

To others, it's for self preservation.

What we do here is collectively work out ways to get past that. Laws are just not enough. We all need to survive, make a living. interact with peers. Unless we're under 25 or so, finding new peers is tough.

I also think that any small step, no matter how apparently insignificant, is a major step forward. Being in a conversation and saying, you don't have any issues with transgender for example. May seem small, insignificant. But if it can bring others out to agree then there are more who are prepared to openly say, they have no issue with transgender. Someone else will hopefully, not be judged because they are transgender.

Denial will continue until there is no more need for it.

Until people are no longer fearful of being, when they don't feel they need to justify, when it is no more an issue in social settings than height, race.
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hazel

Quote from: Elspeth on January 12, 2013, 09:58:52 AM
crippling perfectionist tendencies ("I don't want to present as a woman until I am entirely passable, until no one can ridicule me, etc.)

This definitely, I'm terrified of bringing negative attention onto myself. I learnt early on to be more boyish around guys to fit in, and it's become almost unconscious at this point that I act differently depending on whether I'm in the company of men or women, so I think you definitely have a point about a lack of confidence being the result of repression and trying to be someone else. I haven't properly looked into support groups and such, but I imagine that will be my next step, thanks for the input Elspeth, glad to hear that transitioning has been a positive experience for you  :)
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Anna

There is a line in Blade Runner where a character says "How can it not know what it is?". That's more my experience.

I told my parents I wanted to be a girl when I was 6 and they then set about "curing" me (My father is a doctor and has clearly and unethically decided to appoint himself as my psychiatrist in this respect - I am furious but that is a different issue).  Life moved on and although I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong I don't think an inner part of me ever stopped seeing itself as female.

Although I have come close the self-realisation several times in the past it never really clicked and my parent made sure it wouldn't. That I might be transgender/ have gender dysphoria only occurred to me about 4 months ago and on some reflection and further investigation it seemed like the only thing that makes sense. I suppose my parents must have done a pretty good job of brainwashing.

I haven't had a moment's denial since then but the sense of lost opportunity and anger at my family is overwhelming. They have managed to manipulate me into a situation that any kind of self-expression is going to be very difficult and transition most likely impossible (ironic realy given when I was 18-24 all I would have had to do is wear a skirt, change my name & I would have been effectively full-time without even realising it). Now I am just trying to work out how to live with it as succesfully as possible and make up for the incredible damage that my own family have inflicted on me. 

A pinch of worm fat, urine of the horsefly, ah!, buttered fingers... that should do it.
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