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Alternate World where 80% of the population is LGBTQQI

Started by Shawn Sunshine, January 11, 2013, 10:23:03 PM

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Elspeth

Quote from: DianaP on January 12, 2013, 07:59:26 PM
I'm learning so much, and all I can say is, "Ow, my innocence!  :icon_nervious:"

Glad to see it's gradually evaporating.
"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
- Sonmi-451 in Cloud Atlas
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Elspeth on January 12, 2013, 08:45:27 PM
Glad to see it's gradually evaporating.

I'd prefer to keep as much of it as possible, thank you very much.  :P
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Elspeth

Quote from: DianaP on January 12, 2013, 07:15:08 PM
That may be true, but who would make those kids? Trans people often become sterile, and gays can't reproduce because of, well... biology.

You're assuming, in a world where transfolk were more predominant, that there would still be the same desire for chemical and surgical alterations that exists under present conditions. I can't say that it wouldn't still be that way, but I have to wonder whether the pressures to transform would be the same? We now live in a culture where expensive and risky procedures feel like they are necessities to people like us, yet there are cases in the historical record of societies where gender is not coercively assigned at birth, where the adaptations probably would not have been nearly as attractive, had they been available, since the cultures already supported their trans sisters and brothers by acknowledging them as their perceived gender from the time they declared it themselves.

There might be a lot more pressure for devising surgical procedures to make transwomen able to bear children, or perhaps transmen might feel less dysphoric about volunteering for pregnancy if they did not feel as embattled about identity. Maybe not. This is all hypothetical.

I think the discussion about costs and effectiveness might change a lot under these circumstances. And assuming there were still separate nations, those that developed cultures that encouraged the creation of stable families, education and nurture of children, would probably have a long term competitive advantage over others with different priorities and values. Coercive heterosexuality in Euro-Christian culture is probably not irrellevant to the development and success of modern industrialized societies, and a lot of that innovation came from minority religious groups that were marginalized, but also very heavily dedicated to "being fruitful and multiplying."  In case anyone has forgotten, we just had a presidential candidate from one of those marginal subcultures, one that definitely pushes reproduction a lot harder than the mainstream culture does.

"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
- Sonmi-451 in Cloud Atlas
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Kevin Peña

Well, all of these hypothetical loopholes make me think that this question is pointless. My head hurts.  :-\
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Shawn Sunshine

nah not pointless, It is just food for thought, reversing the roles of how they are now, can give you insights.
Shawn Sunshine Strickland The Strickalator

#SupergirlsForJustice
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Kevin Peña

Nonetheless, any point that is brought up is always countered with an assumption to counter a presumed assumption. Too many hypothetical twists! Gah!  :icon_headache: :icon_chainsaw:
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crazy at the coast

I'm not convinced that gbltetc would do any better of a job at being a majority. But there would be a good chance that human cloning research would have already been advanced enough to make all the really vain ones happy and take care of any "eww, fornication with those people" kind of issues and the Department of the Interior would likely be the government agency with the biggest budget.
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Shawn Sunshine



QuoteNonetheless, any point that is brought up is always countered with an assumption to counter a presumed assumption

Gee now my head hurts too!
Shawn Sunshine Strickland The Strickalator

#SupergirlsForJustice
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BlueSloth

Quote from: Jaime on January 12, 2013, 09:26:59 PM
I'm not convinced that gbltetc would do any better of a job at being a majority.
There wouldn't be a majority.  Without a majority, people couldn't be divided into "the majority" vs. "everybody else", and there would be no reason for people to unite under an acronym.
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crazy at the coast

Quote from: BlueSloth on January 13, 2013, 12:09:29 AM
There wouldn't be a majority.  Without a majority, people couldn't be divided into "the majority" vs. "everybody else", and there would be no reason for people to unite under an acronym.
I think its human nature to form majorities, all it takes is a common aspect of them besides just being human.
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