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I don't want to be The Jerry Springer Transsexual

Started by Shawn Sunshine, January 16, 2013, 08:42:52 PM

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justmeinoz

Simple answer- don't then!

Accepting responsibility for our choices and not making excuses is all that is required really.

There is no single right way to transition.  If you are RUTHLESSLY honest with yourself, then what works for you is the right choice.

Karen.
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Zumbagirl

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 16, 2013, 08:42:52 PM


Why is it that even when just walking down the street or going to a support group transfolk feel the need to go over the top and act like they are in a 24 hour entertainment show. You know the exaggerated speech, the snap of the fingers, the get out of my way "bitch" attitude. To me its like a blend of a street thug gang banger mixed in with some preppy valley girl stereotype.

What is so wrong with just wanting to act like any other man or woman? Now I am totally fine with everyone having a expression or personality, it just that until the media stops portraying us like this and until some of us stop acting like this. It is not going to get better as far as how the general public sees you.



What does it matter to you how someone else acts or behaves? I could be just as happy going to an ice cream parlor with a group of drag queens who are fun and live life than I could with a bunch of self righteous religious zealots who praise normality. Differences are what makes human beings so interesting. Non conformity is not a bad thing.

My neighbors have a 22 year old daughter and she and I are on really good terms, but she is hardly a conformist. I think she is a closet lesbian in fact based on her choice of friends. She does the conforming bit at home to make people happy, but when she comes over to my house it's like I opened up a whole new world because I am not as judgmental. Plus I feel like its validating to be hanging out with a bunch of 20 something's and I am just another woman just like them, although our issues are very different. Some of her female friends are definitely utter non conformists, and it makes for a fun time. Then again there are times when I think that they just want to hang around because I will take them out to dinner because they think I have a lot of money lol.
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Elspeth

Quote from: Zumbagirl on January 17, 2013, 06:39:58 AM
My neighbors have a 22 year old daughter and she and I are on really good terms, but she is hardly a conformist. I think she is a closet lesbian in fact based on her choice of friends.

Their generation is fantastic. Each new generation has gotten better on this, but my sense is that my (nearly 19-year-old) son's generation is far more accepting, even among the more "normative" of them, that gay is okay, and that trans people are just people. Maybe it's partly that I get to know those who are my kids' friends.

Consider that he has gone to school first as openly lesbian, dating openly, talking openly (maybe sometimes more openly than some may have liked, but he was never overtly shamed or ostracized for doing so). In girl mode he took two different girlfriends to his two proms (while I was a sort of beard for a friend at my senior prom -- she was a good friend, but I was doing her a favor "protecting" her from the advances of a date whose sexual advances she wanted to avoid). I'm frequently envious of this generation, but mostly I'm happy for them, that they're likely to avoid a lot of pain. I'm sad that this isn't true for everyone, and that places like the Tenderloin are still often magnets for those who come from families that feel it's okay to reject their children, and cast them out with no supports. He's now at a program openly as a transman in transition, so far only doing his best to present as a transman, which is not simple and won't be "passable" until he has top surgery. He'll be going on to a scholarship in 3D animation later this year, and has the potential to enter a field where the demand for workers is high, and no one who has any sense cares whether he's trans, a drag queen or anything else. (Plus he'll have the benefit that on average, transmen earn more than women).

The status of women, and the bias around sex work is still very real, as are the risks, and it's probably wise that you avoided it whatever your personal reasons... but it does remain one of the options that many find more attractive, in some of its forms, than the alternatives available to them. This remains a long-term struggle, and not one that's drawn in black and white.

I really do think, Shawn, especially if you're living in San Francisco, that you need to worry more about yourself and not try to change anyone else, at least for now, except in small and non-judgmental ways. A trans support group in the Tenderloin is going to contain drag queens and sex workers, at least for the foreseeable future, and some of them may, without realizing they are false models, imitate things they saw on Springer and other forms of exploitation entertainment.  That has to be their journey to navigate, not yours.  I do hope that at some point US culture might change, and that there will be more positive support systems for people whose families abandon them,  (and that such abandonment will become less and less socially acceptable over time, and families will come to more lovingly support and accept their trans children, and come to understand why some kind of transition for them is essential, and not a sin or a form of "freakishness" to be shunned.

I made a distinction between drag queens and sex workers only because at least some drag queens, at one point in time, at least, used to make a point of drawing some very clear lines between their performing persona and anything overtly sexual. Can't say I know everyone, or that this has or hasn't changed with the times, and with a gradual opening up of options and choices that might lead some to express themselves differently today than they did back in the Stone Butch Age.
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Emily Aster

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 17, 2013, 04:07:00 AM
I am not sure i can be a sith lord though  >:-)

The sith don't train people. They convert them. If you're not a jedi, you'll never be a sith lord. I can imagine being a sith lord would stop all the weird gendering stuff. Not only do you look really cool, but people know you're willing to use that saber too.
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Shawn Sunshine

Actually all of the transwomen that I have talked to at the support group I was going to, (about 20 of us there) hated the fact that people still called them ->-bleeped-<-s and confused them with drag queens also. They also talked to me about how drag queens are stealing their thunder and they were also jealous because drag queens were getting jobs in entertainment vs them. So even among the many communities within the circles of LGBTQQI there is some strife.

I am in no way talking about personality differences here though, I am talking about the way we treat each other and how we get seen. I treat people with love,respect, honor and dignity, I choose to act with pizzaz and style and yet be classy and noble. I can only hope everyone does the same.


QuoteThe sith don't train people.

yes they do, Emporer Palpatine taught Anakin Skywalker certain skills you can only get from being on the dark side.
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Emily Aster

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 17, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
yes they do, Emporer Palpatine taught Anakin Skywalker certain skills you can only get from being on the dark side.

Like what? He was already a Jedi Knight and the emperor said go kill people. He told Anakin that these other skills existed, but he never actually taught them.
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Shawn Sunshine

QuoteDarth Plagueis—born under the name of Hego Damask and remembered as Darth Plagueis the Wise—was a Muun Dark Lord of the Sith, heir to the lineage of Darth Bane and a master of midi-chlorian manipulation, who lived during the century leading up to the Invasion of Naboo. Obsessed with eternal life, Plagueis experimented with ways to cheat death and create new life from the midi-chlorians.
His great contribution to the history of the galaxy was training Darth Sidious in the ways of the Sith and the dark side of the Force, whom he incited to take control of the galaxy and bring about an age of the Sith. Sidious, convinced that his master had outlived his usefulness, eventually killed the Muun in his sleep.

So yes you do get training in the ways of the sith.
Shawn Sunshine Strickland The Strickalator

#SupergirlsForJustice
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Simon

Quote from: Emily52736 on January 17, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
Like what? He was already a Jedi Knight and the emperor said go kill people. He told Anakin that these other skills existed, but he never actually taught them.

There is Sith training as only Sith Lords can use Force lightning. Palpatine didn't get a chance to train Anakin to save Padme before she died in child birth. Which really makes no sense because Leia (in the Original Trilogy) talks to Luke about how she remembers their mother as a child (in "Return of the Jedi").
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JoanneB

Where I am in western Maryland I can assure you that every transwoman in my TG group (BTW the only one within 90 miles of me) belongs to the I just want to fit in like any other woman catagory.

I grew up and spent most of my life in the shadow of NYC. I've seen the opposite extreme there. I chalk a lot of that up to the sense of anonymity that big cit life gives you. Many may be out of towners taking advantage of that anonymity and distance from home
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