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Started by Jason_S, January 17, 2013, 06:25:37 PM

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Quote from: Jason_S on January 22, 2013, 11:44:30 AM
By the way, is it normal to get a strane sensation up your spine or round the groinal area when q boy talks to you in a certain way? Kind of like a soft caring voice sends a wonderful sensation up my back. And I felt myself becoming aroused when I was moisturizing the top areas of my legs.

Is that strange?


No.

It's one of those experiences that really make life worth living.
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Jason_S

Ahh, thats a relief. It does feel nice though after doing the entire of my legs.

Well after the excruciating pain of getting this hair removal cream off.
The path we travel is like a british road. There are lots of potholes, but there's always a smooth bit at the end.
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Jason_S

Hiya, I really can't believe it. Just 1 week from now I'll hit 20 years old. Its gone by so fast. No more little me, all grown up :)
So much to consider and so much to try this year its unreal. And I won't miss a single second of it. :D

I wonder what will change if I actually take the steps towards starting HRT. It scares me a lot. Too many possibilities, so many choices to make.

At least I now have some friends to help me on my way. :D
Here's too the new me and everything that comes with it.
The path we travel is like a british road. There are lots of potholes, but there's always a smooth bit at the end.
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Sandra M. Lopes

Hi Laura,

Welcome to the "maintenance" part of your routine :) After most of the thick hair has come out, it becomes easier over time ... even for us who aren't on hormones yet.

Sometimes I skip my routine and the hair on the legs and arms grows a bit too much. So I use the trick of shaving them with the electric razor first, to get the longest and thickest parts out. Then it's time to enter the shower and finish the rest with a new razor — it's so much easier that way! Of course, if I'm able to stick to a routine, the maintenance is much quicker. To give you an example, I'm able to shave legs, arms, hands, armpits, and chest in about 15-20 minutes in the shower. That's because the growth between two maintenance sessions is not much — a few millimeters at most, and those can be easily handled by a razor.

Thank goodness it's fine for males and females to get rid of their body hair. While at the beginning nobody knew besides my wife (who knows everything), over time some people noticed (specially in the summer) that I had no or little body hair left (except on the abdomen — don't ask me why — it's the only place my wife wants me to keep body hair around — I don't mind that, since it will be covered by the corset anyway). They joked about it, and I joked back, telling them that's just a choice I made, and that I really dislike body hair, no matter what others think about it. Dealing with family and old friends is easier: at some point in my life, to disguise the feelings you are experiencing too, I used to wear a rather long beard; then for a while I was always clean-shaved; and for many years I had this "three-day beard" which is allegedly still fashionable. Now I'm clean-shaved again, of course, but the point is that people get used to the idea that I have weird ideas about my body hair :) and that I switch moods about it. Now I just "pretend" I'm on a "phase" where I dislike all body hair, because it's "fashionable". I get some odd looks from some family members and some friends, but I just laugh at them, daring to do the same ;-) In fact, I often joke with the male friends/family members asking them if they believe that their maleness is defined by the amount of body hair, or if they somehow feel that removing body hair threatens their maleness. Since I've been living with a woman as my loving partner and companion for 15 years now, it's obvious that this kind of thing makes them think twice about any rude comments they might have in mind — in fact, they never dared to say anything more than asking why I shaved my body hair.

Now, for the next step — but give it time! Don't rush! There are no "set rules", except for the ones you set yourself! You're not "competing" with anybody! — I would certainly recommend three things that pretty much nobody will notice, but you will feel wonderful about them :)

The first is to polish your toenails. As it was already said on this thread, nobody will notice it, specially during the winter, except perhaps someone from your family. Polishing the toenails is comparatively easier than doing the finger nails (which obviously would be immediately visible to everybody!), and you can start with a transparent, matte polish, just to build up your confidence. That's something that will only be noticeable if someone is really looking very closely at your toenails, and how many people will do that, specially in winter?? So it's a rather safe bet, and you'll still be treated to a wealth of wonderful feelings — the smell of the polish in the air, the feeling of the careful strokes applying the polish to the toenail, the delightful moments of waiting until it dries... and the knowledge that, everywhere you go, your toenails will be polished, even if nobody (but you!) knows that.

Transparent matte polish is so unnoticeable that when I get my hands professionally manicured (something that I do rarely... but used to do more in the past, when I had spare money for that!), I usually let them apply polish — I know it's practically undetectable, and it's also something routinely used by males who have the habit (a good one, IMHO) of getting their hands professionally manicured. However, the important thing is that I know the polish is there — I can feel it :)

With time, of course, you might be able to go bold on your toenails and apply bright colours — they will never show through except the thinnest of socks. I practice meditation regularly, and during the winter, I'm always wearing socks, and brightly-painted toenails beneath. To this day, nobody ever had the remotest clue about that, even though once I noticed that the socks had a hole in them, right near the toes!!  :laugh:

I also let the fingernails grow a bit longer than usual for males. There is a limit to how long I can let them grow until someone notices. It also means filing them regularly: what I've learned is that the more "kept" they look, the less people will notice their length. These days, I tend to trim them into an oval shape. It's out of fashion for women, I know, only old ladies do that, but strangely I've found that I can grow them much longer that way and still don't get eyebrows raised.

Speaking of eyebrows, another thing that you can also do which is pretty much unnoticeable is tweezing your eyebrows. Now, ideally, everybody tells me that you should let a professional do it for you the first time, and then just do some routine maintenance on the straggling hairs. I haven't done yet, but I do trim my eyebrows every week.

Personally, I'm double-lucky. First, I'm not that kind of person with incredibly think and bushy eyebrows :) They are neither too thick, nor too thin — just "about right". And secondly, in my country, the ultra-thin eyebrows for women have gone out of fashion: slightly thicker eyebrows are "in" because they reveal more "personality", and this is the kind of look that women's magazines say that is "fashionable". So I don't really do much: I have just patiently defined them a little better by getting rid of all hairs growing outside the eyebrow, and that is enough in most cases, and will immediately give you a "kempt" appearance. As you get bolder, you can try to pull some hairs out from the lower part of the eyebrow (the inside) and get you a slight arch, which is more feminine, without, however, going too far! I was told that the trick is always to pull hairs from the lower part and work upwards — never the opposite. This is what I have been doing for the past 2 or 3 years, and, again, nobody has ever noticed or commented. Since I took many months to very patiently just pull some hairs out now and then, and did it very progressively, most people never noticed any difference, and, in fact, not even I notice much of a difference — except when applying the rest of the makeup, then I notice how feminine-looking the eyebrows are already! In fact, I have thinner eyebrows than my own wife (who is a very strong supporter of the "thick eyebrows mean a strong personality" — which she certainly has, with or without eyebrows!).

The point here is not really to follow a "list" or something that someone else has invented, saying "you have to do this and that to look and feel more feminine", but really to give you some simple ideas on things you can do routinely, without revealing much, but which will build up your confidence, give you a lot of fun while doing it, and give you that strange feeling that you're doing something "right" for you, even if in truth nobody will really notice any difference. We are also very lucky in this age, as metrosexuals are tolerated and accepted universally, and a lot of the above tips apply to males as well as females — it's perfectly socially acceptable for males to get rid of their body hair (I've known many cases of girls demanding that their boyfriends get rid of it!), to go to a manicure and have their nails in good condition, to have their eyebrows trimmed and with a nice shape, and so forth. These days, fortunately, all that is acceptable.

You can (and should) even go further, and put a daily routine of using moisturizer or at least some body lotion on the exposed skin areas/face lotion/hand lotion. To be honest, I reluctantly started doing that when I was 25, under pressure from my mother at that time, who said that just because I was born a male, it didn't give me "indestructible skin" — living in a city with pollution and so forth, the skin gets subjected to all kinds of aggression, and males are not "immune" to it, even if they somehow pretend they are. The result, after almost two decades of using something on my face every day, is very noticeable: my younger brother, who refused to do anything "sissy" like that, looks almost ten years older than me, and he has been living in the country, where there is less pollution. His face is full of wrinkles, specially around the eyes and the lips, most of it coming from excessive sun exposition without any protection and never bothering to put any lotion or cream afterwards — but he might also have inherited the genes from my mother (who has lots of wrinkles), and, doing a very stressy job, he also gets more of those anyway. So it might just be coincidence. Either way, there is a huge difference! While in "male mode" my thinning hair will betray my true age, my skin looks at least ten years younger, even though I get yelled by my wife almost every day because I take too long in the bathroom for my daily routine :)

Here is all I do:
- eye cream with Q10 for the area around the eyes, which will pretty much prevent wrinkles to appear. I'm still surprised how at my age I have none there!
- face cream — I don't shave every day, but the days I do, I will also apply face cream to every area not covered by the balsam after shave (I never use alcohol-based products, except in an emergency!!)
- body lotion — for all exposed areas, specially the ones that I have no more body hair on that (i.e. arms, legs, chest)
- hand lotion — it also doubles as protection for the nails (I'm lucky, I have very strong nails). Sometimes I add almond oil just to the nails: it protects them even better, and while the oil is still drying, it remains a bit shiny, which gives my some pleasure :) (after it has dried, it's invisible and matte)
- foot cream — mostly to keep the odour in check; to be honest, over the years, I have tried a lot of different products. Interestingly enough, I found out that either body lotion or hand cream will work best on the feet as well :) It's not that the feet are often exposed, but, well, in summer, I enjoy wearing very open sandals with my outfits, and I certainly wish my feet to look great in them!

Yes, it takes some 10 minutes to do all that. But it pays off after decades — everything looks still much better because the skin has remained protected and moisturized for so many years. And I can't afford very expensive products, either, or I would use the best I could buy — most of them are from low-cost brands (like Nivea) or even "white label" products from the supermarket.

Here is a tip I got from the senior marketing manager from one of the top European cosmetics companies (he's my wife's uncle). They routinely check on their competition and are aware of the differences between themselves and the competitors. What he has found out is that the low-cost competition doesn't use "bad" products or "lower quality" products — they would lose too many customers that way, or, worse, they might get sued. Nivea, for instance, has relatively cheap products, but it's their industry practice to be at least 1% better in all tests done with competing products, and that's what their chemical engineers have as a goal when designing new products in their line. So, what's the difference to a product that costs 5 or 10 times as much? It's mostly the texture (which is very important for the faithful customers!) and things like fragrance. These are directly related to a subjective experience, but less so to the way the product acts on your skin — they use the same kind of active components to achieve the same results (e.g. moisturizing, less wrinkles, protection from an aggressive environment, and so forth). A typical example: Nivea's hand cream. It has a very "pasty" and sticky texture, which most people will find too rough and unpleasant. It also doesn't smell particularly nice. Thus, it's far cheaper than competing products (like the ones produced by my wife's uncle), because few female clients will enjoy the sticky, coarse texture of Nivea's hand cream. But if you're after the end result, their hand cream is as good (or even 1% better!) than things from L'Oreal, Garnier, or any other fashionable, high-end brand. The high-end products might also work for longer periods, do not get spoiled so easily, do not need to be applied so often, or target specific skin types (while Nivea's product lines are usually — not always — one-size-fits-all types). So it's not as if they're not different — they certainly have plenty of differences — it's just that, in the industry, a lower-cost brand is not necessarily "terribly bad".

Of course, there are exceptions. I would recommend to stay away from Chinese brands, for example. They're ultra-cheap and come in a vast variety of options. However, the clinical tests made in China are not so restricted as in the US, Europe, or Japan. This means that the likelihood of being allergic to them is much higher. I have tried out lots of Chinese products, specially makeup, and after having some painful experiences with them, I can just say that the quality is simply too low, even if the prices are excellent. If you start buying some makeup, specially for sensitive areas like the eyes, it truly pays off to get reasonable brands from the US/Europe/Japan, even if they're a bit more costly, just because the quality control they have to go through is much higher, and it's very likely they will not irritate your skin (or your eyes).

But that's a bit in the future! For now, you have lots and lots of options to have fun with, and enjoy to the fullest, without pressure, and, most importantly, without getting noticed :)
Don't judge, and you won't be judged.
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Jason_S

Hi sandra, I'm not the fastest reader ever so I had to get something to drink and read through your post. I'll have to wait for my nails to grow back before I try doing anything with them as I kept them well trimmed back to avoid looking more feminine.
I actually already have a sort of routine starting but it still takes me ages. As I do have rather strange skin I have to be really gentle with a razor so it takes me that 15 mins just to do my legs. After a pretty painful experience with hair removal cream 2 days ago which I have only just recovered from, it made nearly all my fine body hair fall out. I was going to slowly work my way up as I find it easiest to shave my legs. But some of it got higher up onto the longer hair and made most of it fall out in the shower.
Which when it happened scared me half to death.

I applt moisturizer after every shave, I shave once a day to slow my hair growth a bit. Hopefully moving onto only shaving 2-3 times a week.
I was thinking of getting my body hair on the chest and back waxed so it wouldn't ich so much. I've always sort of put up with it but it has to go.
The path we travel is like a british road. There are lots of potholes, but there's always a smooth bit at the end.
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Jason_S

I think I had like an emotional explosion this morning. I couldn't stp myself from crying. Unfortunately it happened whilst I was at work and I spent about an hour in the bathroom. Then I started laughing but while still crying.

Its the first time anything like that has happened to me. It  gave me a bad headache, stomach pains and stramgely enough my lower legs felt really stiff like something was pulling in my muscles.
Is there any kind of explanation for this random outburst?
The path we travel is like a british road. There are lots of potholes, but there's always a smooth bit at the end.
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Keira

Quote from: Jason_S on January 24, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
I think I had like an emotional explosion this morning. I couldn't stp myself from crying. Unfortunately it happened whilst I was at work and I spent about an hour in the bathroom. Then I started laughing but while still crying.

Its the first time anything like that has happened to me. It  gave me a bad headache, stomach pains and stramgely enough my lower legs felt really stiff like something was pulling in my muscles.
Is there any kind of explanation for this random outburst?

What were your thoughts previous to this event or possibly even during?
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Jason_S

Actually I was remembering when I used to sing when I was young, I had a beautiful voice.
I would give anything to be able to sing again. After my voice started deepening I lost my ability to hit smooth notes. It always upsets me when I hear someone else singing like I used to, but its never had quite that much effect before I started revealing what I feel.
The path we travel is like a british road. There are lots of potholes, but there's always a smooth bit at the end.
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Keira

Quote from: Jason_S on January 24, 2013, 01:29:04 PM
Actually I was remembering when I used to sing when I was young, I had a beautiful voice.
I would give anything to be able to sing again. After my voice started deepening I lost my ability to hit smooth notes. It always upsets me when I hear someone else singing like I used to, but its never had quite that much effect before I started revealing what I feel.

Probably just dysphoria kicking in. Dysphoria can be constant, or it can come in waves. The headache thing is also normal, I had it for a few hours one night. Laughing while upset is also relatively normal, part of you is sad and part of you finds it stupid and funny at the same time. It's sort of like laughing at hamlet or Romeo and Juliet.

If I might ask, how long have you known you weren't comfortable with your perceived male gender?
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Jason_S

I've always sort of known since I could remember but it only really started when I went through puberty. Lost my voice, rediculous hair growth, and a fair few other things.

I've just never known enough and never been confident enough in myself to do anything about it.
The path we travel is like a british road. There are lots of potholes, but there's always a smooth bit at the end.
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Sandra M. Lopes

Well, I wish you wholeheartedly that you slowly start building up your confidence and do something about it that satisfies you :)

There are many roads, many paths, and you just need to have enough confidence in yourself to pick one that you're comfortable with. That's all that matters!

Best of luck  :-*
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Jason_S

It hasn't been a good day for me. :(
End of the week and I'm starting to explore myself a little more but not too much as I did that a couple of days ago and I went into emotional breakdown.
However, just as I was starting to feel comfortable at work I get pulled into a meeting with my apprenticeship manager and my line manager.

Its because I haven't been attending college for the last month or two for my apprenticeship. If I was going to be truthful I started trying to transition about 4 months ago when things were quiet.
Then I hit a sort of barrier 2 months in which caused me a lot of grief, which then resulted in me not doing my best at work and not being able to attend college.
I almost lost my apprenticeship, I've been put on a 4 week first/last chance review period so see what progress I make.
It tore me apart when he said he was very disappointed with my college effort, but I've never been good when it came to school and college. My predicted grades were always higher than what I actually got. I have the potential but I can't do the exams at the end, my mind just can't cope with it.

So after being told they may of just cut me off there and then but needed a talk in private sent me into panic. Its taken me an entire year to find any kind of job and I couldn't lose it now after 6 months. I sat in the meeting room on my own for 10 minutes or so crying my eyes out. It was a horrible feeling. I couldn't talk either, its just sent me back into distress and started crying every time. It took almost an hour and a half before I was even able to speak to someone. Luckily for me there are a lot of nice people on the team I work in, one of which came into the meeting room and sat with me. Slowly, I managed to regain some control and began explaining to her what I was feeling. What had happened in the past, what was happening now and what I'm going through. She was very understanding, and was fine with me crying during the conversation. She handed me a tissue every time I started again.

So now I'm on a 4 week review period during a time where my emotions are tending to spiral out of control whenever something happens which effects me. I'm hoping to see my doctor next week to help me get my mind straight or at least help me express my emotions safely.
The path we travel is like a british road. There are lots of potholes, but there's always a smooth bit at the end.
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Sandra M. Lopes

Aw, I'm very sorry to hear all that :(

On the other hand, I'm glad you had a colleague holding your hand. Sometimes, that's all it takes to give you strength and encouragement.

I can only say that your best choice is really to get a therapist, like you suggested, to ease your mental pain. There are indeed some doctor-prescribed drugs which can help, at least at the beginning, for you to be able to deal with your current emotional breakdown. However, I'm also aware that these have some side-effects: you might be less alert and ready for any exams at college. This is a trade-off that a specialist has to evaluate: it's clear that it's your anxiety and worries about the ways you're exploring yourself that trigger your inability to manage well at the exams. Now anxiety can be temporarily prevented by some drugs (a long-lasting effect takes a long time with a good therapist), and this is something that only a psychiatrist, working with a therapist, can work out with you, to see what is best — a slightly 'dulled' mind during the exams, but which won't be worrying much about what is currently causing your distress; or a more alert mind, ready to take whatever exams are put in front of you, but also more open to anxiety, stress, and complex emotions. There is no easy answer. Your best hope is, indeed, to get a specialist talking to you — someone who is aware of gender issues and is able to help you cope with them while, at the same time, keep you fit for exams.

I wish you all the best. At the very least, I wish you can get a really good doctor to help you out. Most of us had to deal with precisely those feelings, but not all of us were in such a tight spot. Nevertheless, I have seen similar cases — not related to gender issues, though — having been successfully handled by expert psychiatrists and therapists, with patients willing to put all trust in them and following exactly what they told them.

All I can say is that all these emotions, feelings, sensations, worries, and so forth, are just in your mind. Since you already recognise that, I'd say you're in the right direction. Now all you need to find is a specialist which can help you deal with them. The good news is that once you learn a few methods and techniques to deal with your own mind, these methods will work for your whole life. So they're really worth learning.

Good luck!
Don't judge, and you won't be judged.
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