HRT hasn't yet affected my height or shoe size. Why do some apparently shrink and others not a jot? I can only surmise that pre-HRT I should have been taller, but T didn't do its job as well as in those whose height has decreased. Maybe my T levels were low? I started in my early 20s, but I was never able to grow a beard and had little body hair. I've been on HRT for many years.

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Quote from: MangoJuice on January 26, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
. Give me hard proof to say you CAN'T shrink.

There is, osteoporosis. No fun, and happens over a course of let's say, 10-20 years, post menopause and yes, it occurs in cismen too.

Now I want some hard proof for shrinking hands and toenail-width.

Don't you wonder why no one claims that? Feet are under strain because they carry the full bodyweight, so why only 'shrinking feet' and no shrinking hands?

What about the toenail width? Has it stayed the same? What's the explanation for that?

Dahlia, are you been deliberately obtuse as you're bored?

The fact you have not seen it does not mean it does not happen, plain and simple.  No there aren't any scientific papers on it yet but there are plenty of events that happen and there aren't scientific papers on them either.

We are saying it happens to some people, i.e. ourselves.  If you don't believe us fine, carry on with your ignorance, we know what has happened to our bodies.  I'm bored arguing the same point with you.

Quote from: muuu on January 26, 2013, 04:53:07 PM
Every disc wouldn't shrink a cm... it'd be very small difference in a disc, but you have 23 of those, I think.

shrinking 5cm is a lot.

QuoteFeet are measured in shoe size, so if you don't fit a size before HRT but then after you do... something has to have happened. With hands it's different, there's really no measuring of them, so there isn't really a way to determine if they've shrunk or not.

Ladies and man's gloves are like shoes, sold in different sizes...world wide!

FYI: I wear ladiesgloves EU size 8 1/2.

Besides that: in Holland very young pre puberty MTF have their mid hand bone growth measured regularly before going on hormones....to check out puberty hasn't started yet.

Of course hands can be measured by the bones, so.....where are the magically shrinking hands?

Anyone?

Quote from: RachelH on January 26, 2013, 05:00:13 PM
Dahlia, are you been deliberately obtuse as you're bored?

The fact you have not seen it does not mean it does not happen, plain and simple.  No there aren't any scientific papers on it yet but there are plenty of events that happen and there aren't scientific papers on them either.

We are saying it happens to some people, i.e. ourselves.  If you don't believe us fine, carry on with your ignorance, we know what has happened to our bodies.  I'm bored arguing the same point with you.

Yet again: you're creating false hope for some pre HRT MTF.
They WILL be disappointed when they don't shrink in height, when their shoesize doesn't decrease.

Post this kind of info ONLY based on scientific evidence!

This site is not a Scientific Journal! We are stating what we have experienced.  Not what other people will gain from HRT.  If someone reads my post and they don't get the same results and they are upset then they have not listened to what EVERYONE states on here with HRT and YMMV, ffs.

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This may be a futile attempt but anyway:
We all have different views on this matter and no extensive research has been carried out so we can't say for sure ( I'm sure you think differently Dahilia) whether anything happens. If you can show me a report proving either way that's directly related (not osteoporosis) I'll read it and if need be admit I'm wrong. But it's clear that nothing stands to be gained from this argument so I think we should all stop posting about it.
And Dahilia, please ensure that when you prevent false hope you do it with a little more tact.
P.S. For your benefit Dahilia, I'll say that I'm OBVIOUSLY far inferior to you in every way particularly my scientific knowledge.

Quote from: MangoJuice on January 26, 2013, 05:17:11 PM

And Dahilia, please ensure that when you prevent false hope you do it with a little more tact.

Claiming(bragging?) to have shrunken 5cm(!!) and 2!! shoesizes in only 15 months on HRT isn't really tactful to other not so experienced/unknowing/pre everything MTF readers....isn't it?

It's a post asking our experiences regarding HRT and height.  What do you want us to not give any experiences we've had?  Someone asked a question we are giving our personal answers, not a scientific journal.  If you can't handle the fact that people are affected in different ways, don't read it and definitely don't go on a offensive about how insensitive we are to people that it may not happen too.  So far my boobs haven't exactly got as large as I wish, do I go and complain at how insensitive the girls who are b&c+ are?.  Surprisingly I'm mature enough to be able to realise that this treatment is so variable and I should be grateful for anything that happens.

Oh, and BTW....very young MTF going on puberty preventing hormones and later HRT grow unusually tall...most of them wish HRT made them AND their feet shrink!

They don't shrink, not a single one is,  and their shoesize stays the same (unusually big too..) even after 10 years being on estrogen/HRT.


I bet they're the ones laughing their heads off, reading this thread about 'shrinkage on HRT'.

I think a professional seeing a MTF 'shrink' so much and so rapidly on HRT would give her a worried look and offer to have her undergo a bone/DEXA scan....to check out if the bones etc are ok.

Here in Holland all MTF of all ages will have their bones checked via a DEXA scan, pre and during  HRT, just to make sure osteopororis doesn't occur when on HRT.

And no, no reports on incredible shrinking MTF and their feet shrinking, none! (Talking about evidence!)

But some reports of shrinking due to osteopororis, yes....like I've almost fallen victim to.

(Yes, a realitycheck! Haven't heard any 'shrinker'  telling this, just like they don't mention shrinking hands or toenails...)

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Best not talk about breast growth girls....  don't want to get pre-HRT girls hopes up that they might get DD's.  Also, lets not talk about hair regrowth or fat relocation.... don't want to get anyones hopes up!  Knock it off Dahlia, you're exactly why people stop coming to this site.  I came here to hear other peoples experiences, learn more, and get excited about the changes I'm going through, not be called a liar, or a crazy person.


Oh, and I'm not crazy, nor am I a liar.   Anyone know how to put someone on ignore?  I'd rather just remove her posts from my updates entirely.

Quote from: HeatherR on January 26, 2013, 06:07:02 PM
Best not talk about breast growth girls....  don't want to get pre-HRT girls hopes up that they might get DD's.  Also, lets not talk about hair regrowth or fat relocation....

There are many, many medical/scientific reports on breastgrowth while on HRT, about hair regrowth in some MTF  and of course fat relocation.

But NO medical/scientific reports on MTF 'shrinking in height and shrinking feet'.  None, and there never will be.

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OK, everyone has made their point, time to review the TOS:

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7. Leave moderation to the moderators! Susan and her staff are the only people who are authorized to deny anyone access to this web site including telling someone to leave, or to stop discussing a topic.  If someone wishes to discuss a subject that you are not interested in,  suggest a new subject; go to another of the many areas on this site; or ignore that person, topic, or discussion. If you feel a person's post violates the rules of this site use the report this post function.

You may now resume your civil discussion. Hugs, Devlyn

QuoteI don't think there's been that much research into transsexualism, so it's not that surprising that there isn't a study about it.

AN AWFUL LOT!!! Especially in Amsterdam/Free University Holland, and no, no reports on shrinking MTF (feet) None, over the last 25 years.



Read my last post: in Holland ALL MTF, regardless of age, some 150 patients a year, are obliged to have DEXA/bone scans, starting pre HRT following up during HRT for years and decades to follow.
To make sure HRT won't cause osteoporosis.

NO reports of 'shrinking MTF(feet), NONE.

SOME reports of shrinking because of osteoporosis, which is  then treated IMMEDIATELY.

Well I'm now ignoring this topic now.  I've said what my experiences are, as everyone else has, take them or leave them. Done.

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