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Started by Tristan, January 26, 2013, 11:01:30 AM

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Tristan

why are guys so pushy? i mean i really thought these last 3 guys were nice but each one was more of a dog than the last. with the final one forcing himself on me and going way to far. its really making me want to never date and stay by myself. i just really dont like being treated like a piece of meat.
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RachelH

By the sounds of it you've just had the true female experience.  Why do you think women are cautious around guys?! It's something that shape women from the moment of puberty...

As to why they do it?!  I personally blame testoterone oh and a sence on entitlement.
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ZoeM

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Nothing to put a guy off trying something than a well-armed girl. :D
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Tejas

I used to worry about my exroommate (a very gorgeous mtf) ALL THE TIME because all kinds of idiots were always forcing themselves on her. Be careful.
"Sometimes you have to get knocked down lower than you have ever been to stand up taller than you ever were before.  Sometimes your eyes need to be washed by your tears so you can see the possibilities in front of you with a clearer vision again. Don't settle."
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Tejas

Quote from: Tristan on January 26, 2013, 01:06:47 PM
im trying to. my girlfriends have decided to screen the guys or something before i am aloud to go out with them. apparently im innocent because i had never been on a date before that or kissed and theirs rules and signs i must learn. i had no idea that when he invited me over to his house to watch a movie it would turn into him stealing first second and almost 3rd base. his hands were everywhere. i guess you cant just truest guys.

Don't mean to put you on the spot, but since experience in dating is pretty much nonexistent, I'd definitely not go anywhere secluded with strangers. And take things veeeeeeery slow. :) 
"Sometimes you have to get knocked down lower than you have ever been to stand up taller than you ever were before.  Sometimes your eyes need to be washed by your tears so you can see the possibilities in front of you with a clearer vision again. Don't settle."
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crazy at the coast

I've never dated a guy before, but I do know you do not give them home field advantage at the getgo.
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Keaira

Now you're just generalizing. Not all guys are dogs, pigs or A-holes. I mean, how about the guys on this forum? you're basically telling them that they're A-holes and dogs too. And I don't appreciate you saying that in essence, my son will grow up to be an A-hole too. There are just as many women out there that will make you wonder "WTF" about women too.

You just don't have the experiences in dating to learn to pick the bad boys from good guys. That will come with time and observational help from your girlfriends. ;)

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Kevin Peña

Well, I don't think that all guys are pigs. I agree with Keaira in the sense that us inexperienced people won't be able to get the cues, which is why I honestly don't find myself fond of the idea of starting to date. Not worth the risk.  :P

Anyway, I think you may be hanging with the wrong crowd. I may not have experience, but my brain is telling me that if a guy invites you over to his place after meeting you for the first time instead of just giving you a phone number and a rough idea of when you can next meet IN PUBLIC, then he is most likely after only one thing: sex.
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BunnyBee

Some guys are amazing and nice and always respectful, others...  Listen to your friends, cause I believe you can stay out of a lot of trouble if you can read the signs.  Maybe not all the trouble though if you get unlucky.  Be safe!
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Kevin Peña

He sounds like a prick.  :(
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BunnyBee

Quote from: Tristan on January 26, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
Well Tessa I went from never being kissed to kissed. Frenched. Being felt up top and down bottom and finally I got him to stop after pushing him AMD crying.

Wow :(
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Shang

The guy was a prick, nothing to it.  I have dated one man who was pushy and he is now my ex [after we had been engaged].   My ex was just a prick who didn't understand that I don't like sex a that sometimes even trying to have sex is a horrible feeling to me.  But he kept pushing and I would cave because I felt guilty because of how his view of sex was. I also had a guy try to force himself on me when I was in high school.  However, I know not all guys are like my prick of an ex or the guy from high school.  Some guys actually care and don't want to push sex on anyone, but it takes experience and listening to friends to find that kind of person.

I know I'm definitely not pushy for sex.  I wouldn't dream of pushing a female or a male to have intercourse with me.  Partially because I don't like it and partially because it is rude and something that, in my opinion, is just plain wrong. 

It'll just take experience and being careful and learning from your experiences to find the guys that are willing to be nice and willing to be patient.
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Simon

I usually don't generalize people but in my experience cis women are not hard to get into bed. With a lot of guys I don't think they're trying to be pushy, it's just what has come to be expected. Yes, I know how wrong that may sound but it's not a sexist thing. It's just a "that's what a lot of guys have become accustomed to" sort of thing. There are A LOT of sexually aggressive women now a days.

Guys aren't mind readers and it is important for a woman to let her boundaries be known before it gets uncomfortable for either person. A simple "I really like you, but I'd like to get to know you better without any physical expectations" is better to hear than someone getting upset when limitations weren't known.

Then again my gf says I'm like an octopus when the mood strikes. She says she swears I have extra arms and hands everywhere, lol. Having to tell a man no doesn't mean he's a prick. He only deserves that connotation assigned to him when he doesn't take no for an answer.

...but expect a little sulking. I've been with my gf almost nine years and when I get the firm "NO" I still pout.  :laugh:
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BunnyBee

Idk.  What she described sounded very aggressive.  Guys need to be gentle and more respectful than that with women imo, especially when they haven't even kissed before.  Even when a woman comes into your house, I think it's a dangerous attitude to assume she wants sex and just force youself all over her.  Yes he stopped when she started to cry, that just means he's a huge jerk instead of a felon imo.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Simon on January 26, 2013, 08:38:52 PM
Guys aren't mind readers and it is important for a woman to let her boundaries be known before it gets uncomfortable for either person. A simple "I really like you, but I'd like to get to know you better without any physical expectations" is better to hear than someone getting upset when limitations weren't known.

I get your point, and I can see where you're coming from. However...

Quote from: Tristan on January 26, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
I went from never being kissed to kissed. Frenched. Being felt up top and down bottom and finally I got him to stop after pushing him AMD crying.

Sounds a bit TOO pushy to me. Any guy who does that right off of the bat is suspicious by my standards.  :icon_suspicious:
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JennX

The touchy, feely, grabby guys are the ones who turn me off the quickest. Especially when such physical contact was unsolicited on my part and surprisingly enough sometimes takes place on the first date. WTF? First unwanted touch gets you a verbal warning from me, second unsolicited touch gets you a choke hold from me. They usually stop after that.
:)
"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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RachelH

OMG what an arsehole!
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MeghanAndrews

Hey Tristan,
It's so funny that you posted this because I was getting ready to send you a pm asking you if something happened based on a comment you made in another thread, but here's this thread.

The thing I think is important to remember is that it's ok to trust guys, but they need to jump through some hoops before they get the honor and privilege of laying their mittens on you :) That's how you have to look at yourself. "I am an awesome catch to an awesome guy who will treat me with the respect and move at speeds I'm comfortable with." The thing about guys, I think, is that they are going to move as fast as you let them. So if they feel like you are sending signals that say "full speed ahead" they will go fast. If you are cautious, they'll move at your speed. You don't have to be like mean to them or anything, you can totally do it in a joking but honest way.

Like let's say he asks you out, make it a public place for the first 2-3 dates. Start with like coffee or something, something at a little cheap cafe that doesn't serve elaborate food. That reinforces the notion that you are careful and not placing expectations on the date. For the second date, keep it public still, but maybe make it lunch at some place like Cheesecake Factory or something, daytime...public. After the second date, how do you feel about him? Is he awesome? Good conversation? Are you attracted to him physically? Or THOSE buttons being pushed inside you? Is he the kind of guy you are looking for? If the answer is YES YES YES then move to date three.

Make date three maybe dinner at a decent place. At this point, if you are feeling it, then you start going with what you are comfortable with. I'd leave the movie at his house out of the equation until like date 4+ just so you get a good feeling about him. Also, getting into physical stuff early, like date one, sends a message that you are ready to be physical. The hard thing for a lot of guys, and I think this is true but I'm still figuring it out like you are, is that if you start making out, they want to take it further and further.

One thing my own experience living pre-transition didn't prepare me for and this applies to almost all of us I would imagine, is that we CAN'T base our experience with guys on our own experience with girls or guys pre-transition. The way I treated girls pre-transition was partly because I wasn't attracted to them like they thought, but also because I wasn't dealing with impulses where I HAD to get them into bed. I think quite a few guys have this thing where like once you get them going, they get frustrated, angry, upset, etc. if you pull back. That happened with one guy I was with pre-op, post-transition, where he got frustrated because we were making out and then he started getting wandering hands and I was ok with a little bit but when he went for the front of my jeans, I was like "ohhhh, noooo, we aren't going there."

Sorry for writing a book! You really caught me when all these things are on my mind. So don't be so rigid that you don't date, but go sloooowly even if you body and heart are like "I NEED THIS GUY RIGHT NOW!!!" He'll respect you and know your boundaries early on if you go slow. Tristan, you body is a temple and only the best, most respectful guys will get to enter it, you know? No kissing until he proves he can behave and that you have a connection.

The other difficulty with this is that in your heart (I'm like this, I think you might be, don't want to jump to conclusions!) you are looking for that special guy and you don't want to let a potential down if you really like him. It's this balancing act of giving him just enough of what he's looking for to keep him interested, but not giving everything away right up front. Try to remember that; he wants certain things, you want certain things, you both have to be patient and move slowly to ensure you are both on the same page.

Best of luck, I'm right there with you. Date #2 today with this guy I like :) Meghan
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DeeperThanSwords

Quote from: Tristan on January 26, 2013, 11:01:30 AM
why are guys so pushy? i mean i really thought these last 3 guys were nice but each one was more of a dog than the last. with the final one forcing himself on me and going way to far. its really making me want to never date and stay by myself. i just really dont like being treated like a piece of meat.

Oh gods, I'm so sorry that happened to you. That's horrible!

I hope I'm not intruding by posting here, I just saw the post and was shocked at those guys' behaviour. I hope you find someone really nice who treats you with the respect you deserve. I promise you, not all guys are bad ones.
"Fear cuts deeper than swords."



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Keaira

I watched Jannie date a bunch of guys over the years. She even moved to Detroit for one. He turned out to be abusive scum.  She ended up staying at a homeless shelter for a while because of him. So, yes. Guy's can be real ->-bleeped-<-s, but they dont all come from the same mold.
If I were to date again, I already have my man picked out. And I know he isn't a Jerk or A-hole. In fact he's quite the opposite. Sweet, caring, funny and smart..... He's really awesome.
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