I am just wondering, if these so called ex-gay reparative therapies that claim to cure homosexual folks, only have a few people that actually say the therapy worked, because in fact they were really only slightly homosexual (using the kinsey scale).

Do you think this makes for a likely explanation as to why someone becomes ex-gay, simply because they were more attracted to the opposite sex vs the same one?

I really couldn't say but I found this article on the subject quite interesting http://prospect.org/article/my-so-called-ex-gay-life.

I didn't read that article yet, but if I had to take a guess, I'd say it was entirely money related. There are a lot of people out there "inflicted" with these conditions that are afraid of coming out or came out and their family/friends won't allow them to proceed. It's an untapped market to "cure" them.

Well violence, fear, misdirection & manipulation were how I've been controlled most of my life. I'm not going to think badly of anyone in the same position.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 27, 2013, 02:10:46 PM
I am just wondering, if these so called ex-gay reparative therapies that claim to cure homosexual folks, only have a few people that actually say the therapy worked, because in fact they were really only slightly homosexual (using the kinsey scale).

Do you think this makes for a likely explanation as to why someone becomes ex-gay, simply because they were more attracted to the opposite sex vs the same one?

I glanced through the article Anna. It is quite long but I got the gist.

Let me save you a lot of time Shawn.

You can do almost anything you care you. You can give into your desires. Or you can ignore them. You can choose to be celebate. Do you really thing that monks and nuns are naturally asexual? It is a choice.

What are you curing?

The Narth guy admits he can't make you feel that spark when a woman walks down the street or even eliminate the attraction to men. (I think). So, in reality, even by it's own admission, this group says it can't really cure gayness at all, it can simply indoctrinate people to avoid it.

That is a fraud.

It isn't a cure. A cure is to eliminate. To rectify. These people are, by their own admission frauds and liars. These people admit they can't cure gay at all, erg, gay can't be cured, it's totally natural.

Now I'll stop there becuase I'l getting a little peeved. this group is asking me to pay for them to convince me that I am intrinsically bad. Thank you, I got that for nothing from my mother!

Quote from: spacial on January 27, 2013, 07:11:14 PM


You can do almost anything you care you. You can give into your desires. Or you can ignore them. You can choose to be celebate. Do you really thing that monks and nuns are naturally asexual? It is a choice.

Kia Ora Jill,

Some monks and nuns 'are' naturally asexual...

However, with everything else you've said on the topic, I agree....

Metta Zenda

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 27, 2013, 02:10:46 PM
I am just wondering, if these so called ex-gay reparative therapies that claim to cure homosexual folks, only have a few people that actually say the therapy worked, because in fact they were really only slightly homosexual (using the kinsey scale).

Do you think this makes for a likely explanation as to why someone becomes ex-gay, simply because they were more attracted to the opposite sex vs the same one?

Kia Ora Shawn,

I have some friends who are in a long term 'lesbian' relationship [been together for near on 30 years]...One is and has always been lesbian and the other is and as always been bisexual...The Bisexual friend said she just fell in love and made a commitment to stay monogamous with her same-sex partner...In other words she made a 'choice'...Which no doubt is what these so called ex gays more likely bisexuals do...

Metta Zenda  

QuoteThat is a fraud.

It isn't a cure. A cure is to eliminate. To rectify. These people are, by their own admission frauds and liars. These people admit they can't cure gay at all, erg, gay can't be cured, it's totally natural.

yes i know now that reparative therapy is a fraud, what I am suggesting is, the ones who said they have been cured, were possibly bisexual or :

1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual

2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual

3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 27, 2013, 07:30:39 PM
yes i know now that reparative therapy is a fraud, what I am suggesting is, the ones who said they have been cured, were possibly bisexual or :

1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual

2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual

3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual

That's interesting but can really only be determined by consulting with those involved.

Accepting our own sexuality and gender identity is often a difficult matter and as someone whose problem has been having the courage to be open with the world, more than myself, I can fully understand how, having been misled by such groups can have a long term effect.

These groups have presented a possibility of relief from what is, for many, an anguish and pain associated with sexuality and gender identity. I know what it is to be beaten up. There are many example of very successful individuals who have made enormous contributions to society, yet been destroyed by their sexuality.

It's easy to say now, we should be out and proud. But that doesn't remove the pain or fear of a fist in your face.

In all seriousness, if someone came up with a real cure, I would probably have taken it. To be able to pick up women the way other do, seemly with little effort. To even feel I could walk into a room and not have to consciously avoid looking at men. To remove that longing to not be so utterly repulsive to myself.

I would have gone for  that is a flash. I would have take out bank loans. I would have sold my body, just to get the funds for that.

But it was all a fraud.

Another con by the god botherers. Egged on by the egoists.

Having invested so much, to discover I had been utterly ripped off.... I don't know. But it certainly wouldn't have made it any easier to come to terms with my own sexuality or the stinking flith that is my ugly bit.

Chances of my becoming ex transgender are about the same as my becoming ex white.

Well sure Micheal Jackson almost became ex black I suppose.

But the whole idea of being 'cured' of something that was never an illness is the problem.

But when you consider that some of society will think a great deal about a great many things and they will be quite passionate about their beliefs regardless of what manner of contradiction or contrary evidence is offered up to them.

I am not even interested in giving a person the time of day when it comes to being 'cured' of homosexuality, or any other aspect that was never subject to discretionary choice.

You can be a homosexual and deny being one and marry the opposite sex and procreate several children into the world and live a long marriage full of heterosexual activity, and still be 100% homosexual in the end all the same. You are not your genitals. But that doesn't mean the ones you were given at birth won't work properly.

I'm fully aware, that my wife has been able to make me 'perform' when I was in the most absolute most rotten miserable mood possible, and yet my body was still able to function in the way that particular function is known to do. You don't need to like sex in order to perform the sex act with what you have. It just won't be 'great sex'.